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Post by soxfanatic on Jul 25, 2018 14:11:24 GMT -5
Was Gregori ever in Custody for his illegal issues.
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Post by Coreno on Jul 25, 2018 20:01:02 GMT -5
I hope he hits clean up.
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Post by azblue on Jul 26, 2018 17:52:17 GMT -5
The article indicates that he was a highly regarded shortstop when he signed with the Pirates. Now he is listed as third baseman. It will be interesting to see the bonus amount when/if that is made public.
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 27, 2018 12:12:08 GMT -5
A lot can happen between now and then but it doesn’t sound like the Red Sox are heavily involved with Mesa.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 27, 2018 12:25:43 GMT -5
Honestly though, the article doesn't read with the kind of inside knowledge that points to any team as being heavily involved with Mesa. Its mostly just speculation based on remaining bonus pool $ and the like.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 27, 2018 15:57:52 GMT -5
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Post by ramireja on Jul 27, 2018 16:10:43 GMT -5
Wow, sometimes it pays to refrain from international spending and then decide you will at just the right time! I kind of doubt this was their plan all along but who knows
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 27, 2018 16:12:08 GMT -5
In related news, cats and dogs are living together in perfect harmony.
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Post by Addam603 on Jul 27, 2018 17:19:29 GMT -5
Makes more sense.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 27, 2018 17:33:51 GMT -5
Honestly I doubt it. Why would he sign with the O's without exploring other options by showcasing himself to the 30 other clubs? He's not even eligible yet. Add: Yes, what Addam posted
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Post by ramireja on Jul 27, 2018 17:49:09 GMT -5
If nothing else, the tweet might suggest that the Orioles are at least considering on spending their entire pool (or a large chunk of it) on a VVM bonus, which may be difficult to pass up. We'll see.
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Post by stevedillard on Jul 30, 2018 12:03:40 GMT -5
Looks like the Sox are going in heavy at the 300K-500K range. I know several years back I posted the top bonus lists of the international free agents and the return was abysmal. This weekend I did a quick search of the 2014 Yankee lust, where they splurged and went over the cap to get about 10 of the top 30 players. My check shows most are stalled in the rookie league hitting in the low .200s. Only one prospect in the Yankees top 30 list, low on it. About 20 million wasted. riveraveblues.com/2017/12/the-remnants-of-the-2014-15-international-signing-spree-2017-season-review-164421/Now I suppose getting the occasional Gary sanchez Rafael Devers (or even Jesus Montero) makes it worth while, but it also seems the 300 to 400 market yields a decent return.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 30, 2018 20:26:20 GMT -5
The Yanks have acquired a bunch of cap space recently. Is anyone tracking this against their reported signings? I wonder if they're making a VVM push or if this is just to cover the cost of their current agreements?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 30, 2018 20:38:42 GMT -5
The Yanks have acquired a bunch of cap space recently. Is anyone tracking this against their reported signings? I wonder if they're making a VVM push or if this is just to cover the cost of their current agreements? They've signed 5 of BA's top 50 now, and are rumored to be closing in on Sandy Gaston (a top 20 guy). They've been incredibly aggressive.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 31, 2018 1:30:08 GMT -5
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Post by ramireja on Jul 31, 2018 13:37:47 GMT -5
The Yanks have acquired a bunch of cap space recently. Is anyone tracking this against their reported signings? I wonder if they're making a VVM push or if this is just to cover the cost of their current agreements? They've signed 5 of BA's top 50 now, and are rumored to be closing in on Sandy Gaston (a top 20 guy). They've been incredibly aggressive. Right. I was under the impression they were going to sign their top 4 for a total of ~3.5M. With a few other announced signings >300K, that could easily take them to their originally allotted cap space, so it may very well be the case that this recent surge of international $ may be to make room for Gaston.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 31, 2018 13:46:54 GMT -5
Any updates on what the Red Sox have left to spend? You can't just let the Yankees sign 6 top 50 guys, that is crazy. They might have to rethink allowing trading international cap money. That was the exact thing the new rules were designed to stop. Yet small market teams are so cheap they can't even spend it all and just almost give it away. If you can't afford to spend 5 to 7 million a year on international talent you shouldn't own a team!
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 31, 2018 14:09:01 GMT -5
Any updates on what the Red Sox have left to spend? You can't just let the Yankees sign 6 top 50 guys, that is crazy. They might have to rethink allowing trading international cap money. That was the exact thing the new rules were designed to stop. Yet small market teams are so cheap they can't even spend it all and just almost give it away. If you can't afford to spend 5 to 7 million a year on international talent you shouldn't own a team! Most teams trading international cap money are in the penalty so they'd have a hard time spending it anyway.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 31, 2018 14:56:52 GMT -5
Any updates on what the Red Sox have left to spend? You can't just let the Yankees sign 6 top 50 guys, that is crazy. They might have to rethink allowing trading international cap money. That was the exact thing the new rules were designed to stop. Yet small market teams are so cheap they can't even spend it all and just almost give it away. If you can't afford to spend 5 to 7 million a year on international talent you shouldn't own a team! Most teams trading international cap money are in the penalty so they'd have a hard time spending it anyway. While that might be true, Yankees also got international money from Mariners and Brewers two teams that don't have penalties. Just let me add after changing the system those penalties are so stupid. If you had to give them penalties you shouldn't have allowed them to trade international money. 1.25 million for Adam Warren in this market is a very stupid trade. You could net some really good talent with that money.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 31, 2018 21:39:36 GMT -5
They've signed 5 of BA's top 50 now, and are rumored to be closing in on Sandy Gaston (a top 20 guy). They've been incredibly aggressive. Right. I was under the impression they were going to sign their top 4 for a total of ~3.5M. With a few other announced signings >300K, that could easily take them to their originally allotted cap space, so it may very well be the case that this recent surge of international $ may be to make room for Gaston. They apparently signed Alexander Vargas for 2.5 mil. He wasn't on MLB's original list, but was added in at #8. NYY now have signed #8, #10, #11, and #12 from that list, while still signing similar mid-range guys to what the Red Sox did.
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Post by geostorm on Jul 31, 2018 21:40:54 GMT -5
vhttps://twitter.com/victorvmesa/status/1024342067303141376
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Post by h11233 on Aug 1, 2018 10:41:23 GMT -5
Right. I was under the impression they were going to sign their top 4 for a total of ~3.5M. With a few other announced signings >300K, that could easily take them to their originally allotted cap space, so it may very well be the case that this recent surge of international $ may be to make room for Gaston. They apparently signed Alexander Vargas for 2.5 mil. He wasn't on MLB's original list, but was added in at #8. NYY now have signed #8, #10, #11, and #12 from that list, while still signing similar mid-range guys to what the Red Sox did. The signing bonuses for those players specifically are very confusing to me. 10/11/12 are Rodriguez/Alcantara/Gomez. Rodriguez and Gomez each got 600k. I didn't see the exact figure for Alcantara, but I saw he's "expected" to get about 1 mil. Every other non-Yankees signee in that range of the rankings got around 1.5 mil+, with the exception of Junior Sanquinton, who got 1.25 mil from CLE. What's the deal with that? Should we take it as an indication that teams valued those guys as way less than the #10/11/12 prospects in this class or is every other team just idiots and the Yankees are geniuses?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 1, 2018 10:58:17 GMT -5
I think you need to start off with the reality that the Yankees have developed the premier international scouting and development department in all of MLB. Their reputation and ability to spend $$ are obvious factors for IFAs. That being said, it certainly raises an eyebrow that the Yankees were able to sign these guys at bonuses that don't appear to be market rate. Again, there are many factors that go into bonus amounts, but those bonuses jump out (similar to how Guaimaro and Muzzioti's bonuses did a few years ago).
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Post by jimed14 on Aug 1, 2018 11:01:32 GMT -5
I think you need to start off with the reality that the Yankees have developed the premier international scouting and development department in all of MLB. Their reputation and ability to spend $$ are obvious factors for IFAs. That being said, it certainly raises an eyebrow that the Yankees were able to sign these guys at bonuses that don't appear to be market rate. Again, there are many factors that go into bonus amounts, but those bonuses jump out (similar to how Guaimaro and Muzzioti's bonuses did a few years ago). Well we know damn well that they'll always get away with whatever rules they're bending.
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Post by h11233 on Aug 1, 2018 11:05:06 GMT -5
I think you need to start off with the reality that the Yankees have developed the premier international scouting and development department in all of MLB. Their reputation and ability to spend $$ are obvious factors for IFAs. That being said, it certainly raises an eyebrow that the Yankees were able to sign these guys at bonuses that don't appear to be market rate. Again, there are many factors that go into bonus amounts, but those bonuses jump out (similar to how Guaimaro and Muzzioti's bonuses did a few years ago). Yeah if it was just one random player getting "under slot" I'd brush it off... But 3 guys at 10/11/12, signing with the same team, significantly under? That needs an explanation.
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