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Post by stevedillard on Nov 20, 2017 14:52:28 GMT -5
Mark Bowman ✔@mlbbowman MLB will likely announce the findings of its Braves investigation within the next two days. Penalties could include fines, international market restrictions and the loss of international prospects (Maitan remains a strong possibility). 1:08 PM - Nov 20, 2017 They also expect to lose infielder Kevin Maitan, who received $5M www.gammonsdaily.com/peter-gammons-mvps-cys-otani-swihart-the-orioles-and-more-november-notes/If Maitan is declared a free agent, one wonders the rules. When the Sox deals were voided, the new teams could sign them and only the amounts above the $300K signing amounts (the amount the Sox paid) was counted. Maitan signed a $5 mil bonus. Would they say a new team can sign for anything up to $5 mil? That seems doubtful. |
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Post by mredsox89 on Nov 21, 2017 12:29:52 GMT -5
I guess this could go here: Braves expected to lose at least Kevin Maitan as penalties for their international signing period mess. This is according to Jon Heyman.
Maitan signed for $4.2M. The question will be is whether he will have to be signed under international FA rules, or if he's declared a true FA.
Could certainly be a big way to boost a farm system if he's a true FA
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Post by kman22 on Nov 21, 2017 12:42:16 GMT -5
Yeah, now I'll just cross my fingers the Red Sox can sign him.
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Post by southcoastghost on Nov 21, 2017 12:52:53 GMT -5
I would guess he will be declared an IFA subject to pools. The question will be how much money will teams be able to deduct to sign him. The players the Sox lost only counted for any amount they got over $300k.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 21, 2017 12:56:02 GMT -5
I guess this could go here: Braves expected to lose at least Kevin Maitan as penalties for their international signing period mess. This is according to Jon Heyman. Maitan signed for $4.2M. The question will be is whether he will have to be signed under international FA rules, or if he's declared a true FA. Could certainly be a big way to boost a farm system if he's a true FA The precedent is the Red Sox situation, in which the five players declared free agents still were subject to bonus pools. However, the amounts up to what they had already received from Boston ($300k each in that instance), did not count against the signing club's pool, so when Simon Muzziotti signed for $750k with the Phillies, only $450k counted toward their cap. In Maitan's case, if they do the same thing, he's essentially a true free agent for the first $4.2M you spend on him, and an IFA for any money thereafter, if that makes sense. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 21, 2017 13:03:37 GMT -5
Badler is reporting that C Abrahan Gutierrez, who got $3.53M, is also being made a free agent. Given that Maitan is probably going to get more money than the Sox have left in their pool, he might represent a more attainable player, as it's doubtful he's going to get that again.
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Post by southcoastghost on Nov 21, 2017 13:35:24 GMT -5
Add INF Yunior Severino ($1.9m bonus) and RHP Juan Contreras ($1.2m bonus) to this list. Could still be more as well.
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Post by ramireja on Nov 21, 2017 13:35:42 GMT -5
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Post by swingingbunt on Nov 21, 2017 13:39:30 GMT -5
Has it ever been said what the Braves did that was wrong?
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Post by soxfan2015 on Nov 21, 2017 13:45:25 GMT -5
So is there any chance sox can sign Maitan? Confused by what this process may be. How much do they have available to spend exactly? Is he a free agent or can they only use their international money? Very curious on this
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Post by kman22 on Nov 21, 2017 13:46:36 GMT -5
Is there an updated number for the remaining pool money?
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Post by Addam603 on Nov 21, 2017 13:58:44 GMT -5
With the Flores tragedy, I think the Red Sox need to throw everything they can at Maitan. He’d be an excellent addition to a farm system thin on top end talent.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 21, 2017 14:01:15 GMT -5
Is there an updated number for the remaining pool money? It is unclear. Based on the bonuses that have been reported, Red Sox have a max of ~$1 million (somewhere around $1,157,000). We also do not know how much $$ the Sox received in the trade with the Cardinals, so the available pool money could certainly be less than that. Additionally, there are currently 12 announced signings with unreported bonus amounts and a handful of additional players who have not been announced yet. |
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Post by kungfuizzy on Nov 21, 2017 14:23:57 GMT -5
Would the Braves prospects still be under the international signing rules? If not this is what the Sox need to do instead of going after JD Martinez or other big names. The farm needs to be rebuilt badly.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 21, 2017 14:43:38 GMT -5
Would the Braves prospects still be under the international signing rules? If not this is what the Sox need to do instead of going after JD Martinez or other big names. The farm needs to be rebuilt badly....no, it needs to be rebuilt goodly. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 21, 2017 14:58:22 GMT -5
Two more Braves' signees were declared free agents according to Badler: SS Livan Soto ($1 mil) and RHP Vefri del Rosario ($1 mil). That brings the total to six players.
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Post by swingingbunt on Nov 21, 2017 15:12:46 GMT -5
Braves fans must feel like they hired DD today with all the prospects they're losing.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Nov 21, 2017 15:18:35 GMT -5
Braves fans must feel like they hired DD today with all the prospects they're losing. You sir, win the internet. |
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Post by jrffam05 on Nov 21, 2017 15:21:39 GMT -5
Has it ever been said what the Braves did that was wrong? Bump this question. Haven't been following much so sorry if this was answered elsewhere, but all I have seen is "unprecedented rules violations" which is pretty vague |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 21, 2017 15:29:08 GMT -5
A rundown of where the former Braves prospects were ranked in 2016:
Kevin Maitan (MLB: 2, BA: 1)
Abrahan Gutierrez (MLB: 25, BA: 15)
Yunior Severino (MLB: 26, BA: 8)
Juan Contreras (MLB: NR, BA: 41)
Livan Soto (MLB: NR, BA: 16)
Yefri del Rosario (MLB: NR, BA: 26)
Yenci Pena (MLB: 29, BA: 32)
Ji-hwan Bae
Passan also reporting that the total number will be 12 and the Braves will be severely restricted in the next two signing periods. Also reporting that Braves had struck a deal with 14 year old Robert Puason, a top 2019 signee - they now will not be able to sign him. Braves will also lose a third-round pick in 2018 for "offering inducements to a drafted player."
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 21, 2017 15:33:47 GMT -5
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Post by Oregon Norm on Nov 21, 2017 15:54:08 GMT -5
A rundown of where the former Braves prospects were ranked in 2016: Kevin Maitan (MLB: 2, BA: 1) Abrahan Gutierrez (MLB: 25, BA: 15) Yunior Severino (MLB: 26, BA: 8) Juan Contreras (MLB: NR, BA: 41) Livan Soto (MLB: NR, BA: 16) Yefri del Rosario (MLB: NR, BA: 26) Passan also reporting that the total number will be 12 and the Braves will be severely restricted in the next two signing periods. Also reporting that Braves had struck a deal with 14 year old Robert Puason, a top 2019 signee - they now will not be able to sign him. Braves will also lose a third-round pick in 2018 for "offering inducements to a drafted player." Whatever it was, it was serious. That they've not chosen to make any of the infractions public gives us an indication of how serious. The penalties are stark. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Nov 21, 2017 16:02:13 GMT -5
Is there an updated number for the remaining pool money? It is unclear. Based on the bonuses that have been reported, Red Sox have a max of ~$1 million (somewhere around $1,157,000). We also do not know how much $$ the Sox received in the trade with the Cardinals, so the available pool money could certainly be less than that. Additionally, there are currently 12 announced signings with unreported bonus amounts and a handful of additional players who have not been announced yet. The Red Sox have $462,000 remaining, per the multiple stories coming out about Ohtani. However, Passan reporting that teams can use their 2017-18 money to sign the Braves prospects (presumably because otherwise the players could be getting screwed due to how limited some teams would be). Have not seen it reported if the same system as the Red Sox guys will apply, in that certain amounts would or wouldn't count against the IFA cap. The piece about using next year's cap makes me think these guys will be treated differently. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Nov 21, 2017 16:15:32 GMT -5
Would the Braves prospects still be under the international signing rules? If not this is what the Sox need to do instead of going after JD Martinez or other big names. The farm needs to be rebuilt badly. Losing our top guy this year sucks and is tragic in so many ways. Still 2017 was epic in the amount of talent we added to the system. You really can't complain about adding talent or rebuilding the system. Given the new rules I don't see how you do a better job frankly, without trading players for prospects which just won't happen. I also think the decline of the system is being blown out of proportion. No team like the Red Sox will have a top 5 system year in and year out. If DD keeps doing what he did this year we will be just fine. |
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Post by vermontsox1 on Nov 21, 2017 16:19:15 GMT -5
Full statement from Manfred:
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