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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 18, 2018 19:29:09 GMT -5
Dayton I'm sorry that your team is bad and that you're a bad GM but there's gotta be a better way to improve your organization than signing a dude who claims that the six year old girl he confessed to molesting was actually falsely accusing him. I remember reading about this kid a while back. I forget all the details but he was a kid when this all took place and I think it was among family and he was told Something along the lines if you just confess it will all go away so as a kid he did. I’m sketchy on the details but I remember walking away from the story not knowing what to believe so I’m not going to judge the kid.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 18, 2018 19:33:00 GMT -5
Dayton I'm sorry that your team is bad and that you're a bad GM but there's gotta be a better way to improve your organization than signing a dude who claims that the six year old girl he confessed to molesting was actually falsely accusing him. I remember reading about this kid a while back. I forget all the details but he was a kid when this all took place and I think it was among family and he was told Something along the lines if you just confess it will all go away so as a kid he did. I’m sketchy on the details but I remember walking away from the story not knowing what to believe so I’m not going to judge the kid. Yeah it's probably that common situation where someone confesses to child molestation they didn't commit because... reasons.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 18, 2018 19:47:16 GMT -5
I remember reading about this kid a while back. I forget all the details but he was a kid when this all took place and I think it was among family and he was told Something along the lines if you just confess it will all go away so as a kid he did. I’m sketchy on the details but I remember walking away from the story not knowing what to believe so I’m not going to judge the kid. Yeah it's probably that common situation where someone confesses to child molestation they didn't commit because... reasons. I don’t think there’s anything common about the situation but a lot of things aren’t common in this world. Guy could be a complete dirt bag or there could be a lot more to the story
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 18, 2018 19:48:39 GMT -5
I remember reading about this kid a while back. I forget all the details but he was a kid when this all took place and I think it was among family and he was told Something along the lines if you just confess it will all go away so as a kid he did. I’m sketchy on the details but I remember walking away from the story not knowing what to believe so I’m not going to judge the kid. Yeah it's probably that common situation where someone confesses to child molestation they didn't commit because... reasons. But this statement is pretty ignorant. We know people confess to things they didn’t do. It’s been proven over and over.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 19, 2018 8:59:49 GMT -5
Yeah it's probably that common situation where someone confesses to child molestation they didn't commit because... reasons. But this statement is pretty ignorant. We know people confess to things they didn’t do. It’s been proven over and over. The mother of the little girl was pretty adamant that he was guilty of molestation just before the draft. I believe the mom, she's got no ulterior reason to say that. He'll also never baby sit my kids.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 19, 2018 9:17:31 GMT -5
Off the top of my head the girl was his brothers kid, pitting his parent against Son vs Son with their granddaughter in the middle. He's denied 100% and even took and passed a lie detector test.
Why would he plead Guilty if he wasn't? They basically offered him a slap on the wrist versus jail time. Its what they do plead guilty get 10 years for murder, go to trial and get life, heck maybe even the death penalty. Nevermind his parents told him to plead guilty to just make it go away and so their granddaughter didn't have to testify.
Children lie all the time and parents are just programmed to trust their children no matter what. Its not till they get caught repeatedly till parents open up their eyes. Which is crazy, we were all kids and all of us lied! So its the word of an 6 year old versus a teenager that took and passed a lie detector. So who knows what truly happened, but its clearly not back and white.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 19, 2018 10:05:35 GMT -5
Off the top of my head the girl was his brothers kid, pitting his parent against Son vs Son with their granddaughter in the middle. He's denied 100% and even took and passed a lie detector test. Why would he plead Guilty if he wasn't? They basically offered him a slap on the wrist versus jail time. Its what they do plead guilty get 10 years for murder, go to trial and get life, heck maybe even the death penalty. Nevermind his parents told him to plead guilty to just make it go away and so their granddaughter didn't have to testify. Children lie all the time and parents are just programmed to trust their children no matter what. Its not till they get caught repeatedly till parents open up their eyes. Which is crazy, we were all kids and all of us lied! So its the word of an 6 year old versus a teenager that took and passed a lie detector. So who knows what truly happened, but its clearly not back and white. Dude, polygraphs are useless for someone who's motivated to beat one. And, my god, the idea that a child would just fabricate something like this, for NO REASON, and that the parents would just accept it uncritically when a member of their own family is accused... I don't know what the hell you people think you're defending here but it's pretty freaking disturbing that you are.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 19, 2018 10:19:52 GMT -5
Off the top of my head the girl was his brothers kid, pitting his parent against Son vs Son with their granddaughter in the middle. He's denied 100% and even took and passed a lie detector test. Why would he plead Guilty if he wasn't? They basically offered him a slap on the wrist versus jail time. Its what they do plead guilty get 10 years for murder, go to trial and get life, heck maybe even the death penalty. Nevermind his parents told him to plead guilty to just make it go away and so their granddaughter didn't have to testify. Children lie all the time and parents are just programmed to trust their children no matter what. Its not till they get caught repeatedly till parents open up their eyes. Which is crazy, we were all kids and all of us lied! So its the word of an 6 year old versus a teenager that took and passed a lie detector. So who knows what truly happened, but its clearly not back and white. Dude, polygraphs are useless for someone who's motivated to beat one. And, my god, the idea that a child would just fabricate something like this, for NO REASON, and that the parents would just accept it uncritically when a member of their own family is accused... I don't know what the hell you people think you're defending here but it's pretty freaking disturbing that you are. Yea police still use them because they are useless. We are talking about a teenage kid, not even an adult. People that learn how to beat them practice how to beat them. You think a teenager was doing that? They aren't 100%, but they have come a long way. Again police use them all the time in investigations for a reason! The fact is that in our legal system a ton of people plead guilty that aren't. That should be disturbing to you. Yet your one of those guys that just doesn't get that. How our legal system works! I've seen first hand a kid lie about an Adult beating him. The kid hit him with a stick in the groin, the adult gave him a long lecture about how you can't do that. Kid goes home tells his mom, that guy beat him and the mom acted like this mom. No way my kid made this up, why would he? I'm calling the police! Luckily more than one adult was there and finally the mom drilled the kid for hours before he told the truth. But it was all this my kid doesn't lie crap before that. Kids lie for who knows what reason. It happens everyday. They just don't get what they are doing, they just lash out because they are made or don't want to get in trouble.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 19, 2018 10:48:53 GMT -5
Dude, polygraphs are useless for someone who's motivated to beat one. And, my god, the idea that a child would just fabricate something like this, for NO REASON, and that the parents would just accept it uncritically when a member of their own family is accused... I don't know what the hell you people think you're defending here but it's pretty freaking disturbing that you are. Yea police still use them because they are useless. We are talking about a teenage kid, not even an adult. People that learn how to beat them practice how to beat them. You think a teenager was doing that? They aren't 100%, but they have come a long way. Again police use them all the time in investigations for a reason!The fact is that in our legal system a ton of people plead guilty that aren't. That should be disturbing to you. Yet your one of those guys that just doesn't get that. How our legal system works! Polygraphs are totally legit and the police would never use them if they weren't. But also they coerce false confessions all the time. Tell me more about your criminal justice reform platform, dude. Oh, but you knew some kid who lied about something once. So yeah, this confessed child molester who has every incentive to lie is probably the one we should trust here.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Oct 19, 2018 12:08:05 GMT -5
Let's take any further Heimlich discussion to throwdown, if only because it has the potential to completely derail the thread and gets into some sensitive non-baseball topics. Sound good?
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Post by gerry on Oct 19, 2018 12:12:15 GMT -5
Yea police still use them because they are useless. We are talking about a teenage kid, not even an adult. People that learn how to beat them practice how to beat them. You think a teenager was doing that? They aren't 100%, but they have come a long way. Again police use them all the time in investigations for a reason!The fact is that in our legal system a ton of people plead guilty that aren't. That should be disturbing to you. Yet your one of those guys that just doesn't get that. How our legal system works! Polygraphs are totally legit and the police would never use them if they weren't. But also they coerce false confessions all the time. Tell me more about your criminal justice reform platform, dude. Oh, but you knew some kid who lied about something once. So yeah, this confessed child molester who has every incentive to lie is probably the one we should trust here. IMHO we know almost nothing about what actually happened, underlying family dynamics, investigative procedures and results, or pretty much anything with sufficient depth to have an opinion; much less an opinion regarding this kid’s future. We are not witnesses nor even bystanders. We don’t know the level of trauma the little girl suffered, if any, which is a central consideration. . We have merely read and opined on a few third hand reports. This kid may now be, or maybe had been at the time, a very bad actor. He may also have been, and continues to be, a good kid. We really do not know, not even a little. Sadly, I have known and worked with victims of abuse and their abusers and victims of molestation and their accused molesters. These are tricky waters at best. These are queasy memories for me. From this distance, I simply can not ethically accuse this kid of anything, and therefore won’t add any weight to bringing him down.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 19, 2018 13:57:55 GMT -5
So I live in Syracuse, and see the Chiefs frequently, especially when the Sox are in town. Mets is almost the worst possible name. First off, there are very few Mets fans out here. They lag far behind the Yankees, Red Sox, Blue Jays, and maybe even the Phillies. So not a lot of people who are going to be buying Mets gear. It's not regionally appropriate, given the divide between the more, shall I say, "metropolitan" city and downstate area and upstate, which is really either very rural, dotted with rust belt cities. And it is uncreative. I am totally fine moving on from the Chiefs, but this really seems like a missed opportunity to have some fun with it. There is also a public funding aspect that makes me angry, yes. But that is a more subdued, rational anger. From a Mets standpoint it makes perfect sense. It’s brand recognition in the area. If they do a good job of getting young kids to the ball and interact properly with them they will turn some kids into Mets fans. Now that takes a competent organization so it probably won’t work, but naming them the Mets makes a lot of sense. Does that happen, though? If that were the case, it seems like most of the teams who owned their minor league affiliates would do the same thing. Also: "Hey, how do you plan to reach out to young fans and build that long term fanbase." Yankees: We're going to use our vast resources to try to build a consistent contender, and enhance our fanbase through winning. Dodgers: Same Red Sox: Also same, but with Mookie Betts and also unlike those other teams we'll pronounce "scallops" correctly. Mets: I dunno, maybe we'll buy the Syracuse Chiefs and throw our name on them?
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 19, 2018 14:14:26 GMT -5
Off the top of my head the girl was his brothers kid, pitting his parent against Son vs Son with their granddaughter in the middle. He's denied 100% and even took and passed a lie detector test. Why would he plead Guilty if he wasn't? They basically offered him a slap on the wrist versus jail time. Its what they do plead guilty get 10 years for murder, go to trial and get life, heck maybe even the death penalty. Nevermind his parents told him to plead guilty to just make it go away and so their granddaughter didn't have to testify. Children lie all the time and parents are just programmed to trust their children no matter what. Its not till they get caught repeatedly till parents open up their eyes. Which is crazy, we were all kids and all of us lied! So its the word of an 6 year old versus a teenager that took and passed a lie detector. So who knows what truly happened, but its clearly not back and white. Dude, polygraphs are useless for someone who's motivated to beat one. And, my god, the idea that a child would just fabricate something like this, for NO REASON, and that the parents would just accept it uncritically when a member of their own family is accused... I don't know what the hell you people think you're defending here but it's pretty freaking disturbing that you are. I’d like to say, I am not defending anyone here. Simply passed on another side of the story that I had heard and it left me not knowing the truth. I’m not judging either way; I think we are pretty quick to judge these days and I try to keep an open mind. Fortunately, this is a situation I do not need to delve deeply into and really make a decision on it so I won’t be.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 19, 2018 14:17:15 GMT -5
From a Mets standpoint it makes perfect sense. It’s brand recognition in the area. If they do a good job of getting young kids to the ball and interact properly with them they will turn some kids into Mets fans. Now that takes a competent organization so it probably won’t work, but naming them the Mets makes a lot of sense. Does that happen, though? If that were the case, it seems like most of the teams who owned their minor league affiliates would do the same thing. Also: "Hey, how do you plan to reach out to young fans and build that long term fanbase." Yankees: We're going to use our vast resources to try to build a consistent contender, and enhance our fanbase through winning. Dodgers: Same Red Sox: Also same, but with Mookie Betts and also unlike those other teams we'll pronounce "scallops" correctly. Mets: I dunno, maybe we'll buy the Syracuse Chiefs and throw our name on them? I’m not sure; all I know is my nephew goes to PawSox games and comes home after getting on the field, getting autographs and player cards and looks at the cards if the no name players over and over and ends up liking them. It’s quite possible for teams in areas that don’t have a natural team could draw in fans if they hit the community right. How many? I don’t know, maybe it’s not enough to make it worth while.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 22, 2018 7:51:55 GMT -5
David Bell named to manage the Reds (Farrell was considered the favorite by some). Brad Ausmus named to manage the Angels.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 22, 2018 8:03:53 GMT -5
Brad Ausmus feels like a VERY Angels hire.
Bell would make, I believe, the fifth father/son combo to both manage in the majors. The Boones, Macks, Sislers, and Skinners being the other I know of - and I believe Joel Skinner was only ever acting manager for the Indians.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 22, 2018 9:58:52 GMT -5
Brad Ausmus feels like a VERY Angels hire. Bell would make, I believe, the fifth father/son combo to both manage in the majors. The Boones, Macks, Sislers, and Skinners being the other I know of - and I believe Joel Skinner was only ever acting manager for the Indians. amp.mlb.com/299430674-brad-ausmus-named-angels-manager.amp.htmlI don't really have a strong memory of Brad Ausmus as the Tiger's manager (I know, crazy, right?), but from what I can recall, he wasn't really an "evolving strategies" or "probabilistic approach to decision-making" guy at that time. Could be an interesting hire if he really has strengthened that side of his game under Eppler.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 22, 2018 10:15:12 GMT -5
www.fangraphs.com/blogs/brad-ausmus-on-analytics-closer-mentality-and-pitch-framing/I put: "As well as his understanding of evolving strategies and probabilistic approach to decision-making" through the Baseballspeak--->English in Google Translate and it came out with "he went to Dartmouth, plus every backup catcher gets to be a manager twice." Disclaimer about Google translate applies, that's probably more of a transliteration than a true translation.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Oct 22, 2018 10:24:53 GMT -5
The idea of probabilistic decision making, while appealing for obvious reasons, is not an easy one for managers to buy into in the heat of the moment. I don't think it's something Farrell ever felt comfortable with, preferring instinct over quantitative analysis. That drove a few people on this board nuts.
I'm going to hold off cheering till I see the guy operate. Cora has impressed me with the way he's able to use both ideas at game time. A lot of his moves have been gold and he's had the roster to execute them. Depending on what the off-season brings, Ausmus will have a bit less to work with. He'll have to be very creative to get the same props as, say, Kevin Cash.
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Post by mobaz on Oct 22, 2018 13:28:19 GMT -5
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 22, 2018 13:44:18 GMT -5
The Mets job is going to someone who doesn’t think they’re going to get a shot otherwise. That alone makes Romero an unlikely candidate.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 24, 2018 14:31:52 GMT -5
St. Louis Cardinals Verified account @cardinals Yadier Molina has been named the recipient of the prestigious 2018 Roberto Clemente Award in recognition of his exemplary humanitarian efforts, including relief work in Puerto Rico following Hurricane Maria in 2017. #STLCards
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 25, 2018 6:13:23 GMT -5
Fantastic choice:
Jon Heyman Verified account @jonheyman
Rocco Baldelli will be named Twins manager
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 25, 2018 9:10:22 GMT -5
Fantastic choice: Jon Heyman Verified account @jonheyman Rocco Baldelli will be named Twins manager Happy for Baldelli, kind of a rough situation in Minnesota though. They do have a decent amount of underperforming young talent, it’ll be interesting to see if any of those guys can take the next step under him. And that division is pillow-soft.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Oct 26, 2018 5:34:43 GMT -5
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