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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 15, 2018 7:57:03 GMT -5
I know I’m alone here but I think resigning Nunez even with signing JDM is a key move this team should make. I don’t think it will take too much to sign him at this point and this teams starting line up offensively leaves a lot to be desired. So when you add a backup to that mix it starts to get bad. Add the normal injuries throughout the season on top of the rest you need to give players then you’re in real trouble. It snowballs. Then you over play people and they get tired (or hurt) and less effective. If there is any team that can really use a “super sub”, it’s this one.
I look at these proposed benches and I want to puke.
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Post by iakovos11 on Feb 15, 2018 11:54:27 GMT -5
But why do you like Nunez? His numbers for Boston last year were way better than his typical results. Do you think he plays better just for the Sox or is it more likely he returns to his career norms? He's not a great defensive player either.
I mean if you can get him for a steal, sure. But I'm fine with Holt, Hernandez, Lin, Swihart. One of those guys will be fine.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Feb 15, 2018 12:10:45 GMT -5
But why do you like Nunez? His numbers for Boston last year were way better than his typical results. Do you think he plays better just for the Sox or is it more likely he returns to his career norms? He's not a great defensive player either. I mean if you can get him for a steal, sure. But I'm fine with Holt, Hernandez, Lin, Swihart. One of those guys will be fine. We don't need to feel Nunez is as good as he was last year for Boston to like him. He has an above average bat and tremendous positional flexibility (although he ranges from poor to average based on the position). If Nunez was signed he wouldn't affect the players mentioned above (possibly swihart, but that's a long shot). He would replace Marrero who is a 0 - 0.5 WAR player. Nunez can play: - 50% of 2b until Pedroia gets back - LF against LHP when Bradley/Benintendi get a day off - 3b against LHP when Devers needs a day off - 1b/DH giving Ramirez/Moreland days off - pinch run late in games Right now Nunez would be the best player in the team in all of the above capacities. You could argue he's a better starting DH over Ramirez as well. Brentz, Swihart or Marrero would lose a roster spot or playing time as a result, but they range from replacement level to question mark right now. Only problem is that I don't see how he fits their budget of 237mil if they get Martinez. (And his usefulness would decrease a bit as well)
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 15, 2018 13:00:57 GMT -5
Nunez can play: - 50% of 2b until Pedroia gets back - LF against LHP when Bradley/Benintendi get a day off - 3b against LHP when Devers needs a day off - 1b/DH giving Ramirez/Moreland days off - pinch run late in games Right now Nunez would be the best player in the team in all of the above capacities. You could argue he's a better starting DH over Ramirez as well. Brentz, Swihart or Marrero would lose a roster spot or playing time as a result, but they range from replacement level to question mark right now. Only problem is that I don't see how he fits their budget of 237mil if they get Martinez. (And his usefulness would decrease a bit as well) But here's the thing - his role, post-Pedroia return, is going to be backing up the infield and maybe the outfield as the 4th LF. What would they be paying him to do this? Whether or not they get Martinez, I don't want to pay the backup infielder what Nunez is probably worth, and I don't think we're at the point where they'd get him dirt cheap either.
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Post by jmei on Feb 15, 2018 13:31:42 GMT -5
Nunez can play: - 50% of 2b until Pedroia gets back - LF against LHP when Bradley/Benintendi get a day off - 3b against LHP when Devers needs a day off - 1b/DH giving Ramirez/Moreland days off - pinch run late in games Right now Nunez would be the best player in the team in all of the above capacities. You could argue he's a better starting DH over Ramirez as well. Brentz, Swihart or Marrero would lose a roster spot or playing time as a result, but they range from replacement level to question mark right now. Only problem is that I don't see how he fits their budget of 237mil if they get Martinez. (And his usefulness would decrease a bit as well) But here's the thing - his role, post-Pedroia return, is going to be backing up the infield and maybe the outfield as the 4th LF. What would they be paying him to do this? Whether or not they get Martinez, I don't want to pay the backup infielder what Nunez is probably worth, and I don't think we're at the point where they'd get him dirt cheap either. Pedroia is going to need regular rest and DH time when he returns, and Nunez would be the top backup to every non-C (maybe non-SS) position player. The worst-case scenario is, what, that all their position players are healthy and productive and Nunez only starts a game or two a week and is otherwise an overpaid bench player who adds value in late-game pinch-hit/run situations? Every MLB team should go into Spring Training with at least one extra position player and one extra pitcher. Depth is important.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 15, 2018 13:35:16 GMT -5
I guess that's true. I just don't want to pay him $10M AAV to do that.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Feb 15, 2018 14:37:24 GMT -5
I guess that's true. I just don't want to pay him $10M AAV to do that. I agree that is too much, but given the market and his other options I don't think he will get that. MLB trade rumors had him at 2/14 3 months ago, so he's probably looking at 1/8 or 2/12 at best right now. Also keep in mind all the injuries. By the time Pedroia is back, how likely will Beni, Bradley, Hanley, Moreland and Devers all be healthy? Would you rather have Nunez or Marrero filling in for those 10 day DL stints? If Swihart looks great and can fill the role then he's not necessary - but I put that at less than a 10% chance. (I think a 1 yr deal at 6mil with a 2nd yr p/o at 4mil and 2mil buyout could get it done at a 4mil AAV)
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 15, 2018 18:13:01 GMT -5
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Post by Addam603 on Feb 15, 2018 18:16:12 GMT -5
Wow...If the team resigns Núñez, where’s the money for J.D. Martinez coming from? Does this signal them moving on? If not then the front office is definitely gonna blow by 237
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Post by Addam603 on Feb 15, 2018 18:37:39 GMT -5
Let it begin.
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Post by giltg on Feb 15, 2018 18:42:53 GMT -5
Watching MLB Network MLB tonight and Ian Brown reported that the Red Sox are gaining momentum in their quest to resign Eduardo Nunez. Nothing is finalized
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Post by bosox on Feb 15, 2018 18:46:38 GMT -5
Wow...If the team resigns Núñez, where’s the money for J.D. Martinez coming from? Does this signal them moving on? If not then the front office is definitely gonna blow by 237 DD has mentioned there's been more than usual trade talk this time of year. Perhaps there's the possibility of a trade to move a little salary to fit JDM or someone else.
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Post by giltg on Feb 15, 2018 18:49:08 GMT -5
Jeff Todd of MLB Trade Rumors is reporting the deal is in place pending physical and it's a one-year deal
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Post by doctorduck21 on Feb 15, 2018 18:51:57 GMT -5
Jeff Todd of MLB Trade Rumors is reporting the deal is in place pending physical and it's a one-year deal One year is a good get with Nunez. Can play 2nd until Pedroia gets back and will boost the bench after that. I like it
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Post by giltg on Feb 15, 2018 18:53:59 GMT -5
WEEI is now reporting one-year deal with second year option
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Feb 15, 2018 18:58:36 GMT -5
Until we see the money we can't really support this deal or be against it. It depends on the money and years of course. It is interesting it's a 1 year deal with an option though isn't it. I probably will support this deal though as insurance in case we don't add Martinez ( heh, it's a little insurance at least ).He's more than that though. He's versatile as heck, we do need someone to replace Pedroia for a while and he's a fairly proven commodity. Nunez is better value probably than a lot of players. We will see what the deal is though. I doubt it is over $7-8 mil a year and even that might be too high. He adds a lot to the team in an area of need and the guy can play anywhere it seems. I also think he may be benefiting from the new ball and has effectively taken his bat to a new level. Some guys just keep getting better. I'm a little surprised the Yanks didn't land him, which if anything concerns me if he comes cheap. Why wouldn't they want him also unless they have even bigger plans.
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Post by jdb on Feb 15, 2018 19:06:04 GMT -5
So where would that leave Holt?
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Feb 15, 2018 19:07:35 GMT -5
I'm not sure this is good news though. Possible JDM implications. They may think Martinez will never sign with them. At least that is a strong possibility and this development would not appear to make signing Martinez more likely. It is a way to strengthen their negotiating position even more though. And what if Martinez did walk? It would make Nunez a little more valuable.
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Feb 15, 2018 19:08:50 GMT -5
So where would that leave Holt? Released at the end of camp unless he plays well enough to enhance his trade value.
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Post by benfromma on Feb 15, 2018 19:17:42 GMT -5
Thrilled if we still get a power bat. He will improve our bench just average defensively but can live with that his offense makes up for it. If we want to win it all we still need a power bat, # 5 starting pitcher ( Rodriquez ) and a left handed reliever. Of course injuries change things that why we also need starting depth @ Pawtucket
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 15, 2018 19:20:24 GMT -5
Nice move, build up that depth.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 15, 2018 19:48:50 GMT -5
So I’m obviously very happy about this. Chris, I understand your point in that you think that Hernandez “would at least come reasonably close to that for far less money”, but why do we really care?
I want the player who’s more likely to succeed with the bat in Fenway than the one who’s less likely to succeed. It’s a one year deal. They are committed to being over the tax anyways so it really doesn’t hurt the team.
This is a team with enough wild cards and question marks. It needs less. A good player who can handle the stick at the super utility spot is very important and Nunez has a higher likelihood of being that guy so on a one year deal it’s great. If it were multi year deal, then i might be with you but for one year so don’t see why money matters.
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Post by jmei on Feb 15, 2018 19:49:35 GMT -5
I’m going to guess that the contract is for less money than expected. Usually, if it’s an impressive contract, the agent will have leaked it by now.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 15, 2018 19:50:45 GMT -5
I don't hate it, pending the money piece.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Feb 15, 2018 19:52:10 GMT -5
So where would that leave Holt? Likely doesn't affect Holt much - he's competing with Hernandez, Lin and others as LHH utility infielder. (Although they may need to save the 2 mil on Holt if JDM is signed) This likely means Marrero doesn't make the team, means Swihart is less likely to make the team, could affect Brentz slightly and would make Hanley more expendable if the Sox still get JDM. I hope Marrero accepts an option to AAA, I can see the team needing him on and off throughout the year
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