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Post by wcsoxfan on Feb 16, 2018 17:03:07 GMT -5
Pepen reports a 2 million dollar buyout. Are buy outs more commonly used in team options or player options? Or both? Both. But players options are rare so you don't hear about them much. The most recent Red Sox player option with a buyout which made an impact was that of Beltre - he got the buyout. The player option buyout makes the year guaranteed and can act to lower the immediate AAV of the contract
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Feb 16, 2018 18:08:28 GMT -5
me likey
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 17, 2018 8:12:21 GMT -5
I personally don't care if they go over $237 million, but I doubt they'd be willing to do that. I'd think that would be a cap for them - I also could be wrong about that. I'm not sure why you think $237M is a hard cap. The major penalty for crossing that threshold is moving their first round pick down 10 spots, which is certainly something, but not really prohibitive. Think of it like signing a free agent with a draft penalty attached. There are also increased taxes on the overage amount, but they wouldn't be over that threshold by much. I think it's a harder cap than you give it credit for or at least the Red Sox think so. Why else are they so adamant to get players at the exact value right now? They know if they sign JDM they can't stay under 237 million and sign both Nunez and Watson, the best lefty available for their bullpen, so they opted to sign Nunez who came cheaper and pass on Watson. I very much doubt that the Sox want to go over the 237 mark. They figure if they can get JDM at their price that would put them at 230 with wiggle room. If he costs more and it was obvious to them Watson would get more they they could give and stay under so they passed on him. And I think that 237 figure is one reason (bigger than you probably think) that the Sox are holding on so closely to their valuation, because if it didn't matter so much to them, then why lose a player over a few million/year or an extra year? They're counting their pennies very closely - they don't want to go over the 237 million figure. I think they've deemed it more expensive (don't want to go back 10 spots in the draft or perhaps lose international money (I'm probably wrong about that one), and don't want to pay a heavier tax) than we have. I'm guessing DD is working with a max budget which is capped at 237. Otherwise Watson, a step up from what we have, and JDM, an obvious critical upgrade for the Red Sox, would already be Red Sox.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 17, 2018 8:35:52 GMT -5
Maybe they are holding so closely to their valuation because that’s a smart way to do business and they aren’t competing against anyone else willing to give him similar money... could he decide a different kind of deal with Arizona is more to his liking? Yes, but it will be for less money overall and he’s a 30 year old DH who gets hurt basically every year. Them being smart is hardly an indication that they have a hard cap.
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 17, 2018 9:10:40 GMT -5
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Post by wcsoxfan on Feb 17, 2018 11:15:54 GMT -5
Based on Henry's past comments about the luxury tax, I think he would be very annoyed if the Red Sox went over 237 by just a few million due to the inefficient use of resources.
If they wanted a Harper/Machado type on top of it next year, that would make more sense
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 17, 2018 12:14:45 GMT -5
Maybe they are holding so closely to their valuation because that’s a smart way to do business and they aren’t competing against anyone else willing to give him similar money... could he decide a different kind of deal with Arizona is more to his liking? Yes, but it will be for less money overall and he’s a 30 year old DH who gets hurt basically every year. Them being smart is hardly an indication that they have a hard cap. Now they're suddenly holding so close to their valuation because that's smart business? The same GM who blew away the field for David Price? The Cardinals weren't even in the same zip code. And you make Martinez sound like he's on the DL every 15 minutes. He's had injuries twice in the past four seasons. His first season he was a regular, he didn't become a regular until May so it held his games and ABs down. Last year he played in 119 games and accomplished more during that time than most did in 162. Would you have been happy with the same counting stats had he played 162 games instead of 119? The Sox have a high payroll and are making sure they don't cross that 237 line. I think they wanted to be able to fit one of Nunez or Watson to go along with what they want to pay for JDM and still have wiggle room under the 237 figure.
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Post by soxjim on Feb 17, 2018 13:02:57 GMT -5
Maybe they are holding so closely to their valuation because that’s a smart way to do business and they aren’t competing against anyone else willing to give him similar money... could he decide a different kind of deal with Arizona is more to his liking? Yes, but it will be for less money overall and he’s a 30 year old DH who gets hurt basically every year. Them being smart is hardly an indication that they have a hard cap. Now they're suddenly holding so close to their valuation because that's smart business? There is nothing wrong with that.
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Post by rjp313jr on Feb 17, 2018 13:29:05 GMT -5
Maybe they are holding so closely to their valuation because that’s a smart way to do business and they aren’t competing against anyone else willing to give him similar money... could he decide a different kind of deal with Arizona is more to his liking? Yes, but it will be for less money overall and he’s a 30 year old DH who gets hurt basically every year. Them being smart is hardly an indication that they have a hard cap. Now they're suddenly holding so close to their valuation because that's smart business? The same GM who blew away the field for David Price? The Cardinals weren't even in the same zip code. And you make Martinez sound like he's on the DL every 15 minutes. He's had injuries twice in the past four seasons. His first season he was a regular, he didn't become a regular until May so it held his games and ABs down. Last year he played in 119 games and accomplished more during that time than most did in 162. Would you have been happy with the same counting stats had he played 162 games instead of 119? The Sox have a high payroll and are making sure they don't cross that 237 line. I think they wanted to be able to fit one of Nunez or Watson to go along with what they want to pay for JDM and still have wiggle room under the 237 figure. I honestly don’t know but that my point; we don’t know. And yes, I think it’s plausible that a team would learn from mistakes it made. I certainly, would hope they would. I think your David Price example is a poor one though. First, they had to go that high to sign him because the only reason he signed here is because the money wasn’t close. Second, their current offer to JDM has by all accounts blown away any other offers out there so the situations are already similar in that regard. Regarding JDM, he’s been a full time player in 3 season cams has missed a considerable amount of time in 2 of them. To ignore that is negligent. He’s being offered a ton of money despite that. Counting stats are wonderful but the only games you can help your team win are the ones you play in. Again, one is saying he’s not a hell of a player or very valuable; he is, hence the massive contract he’s been offered.
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Post by bosox on Feb 17, 2018 15:17:30 GMT -5
Hopefully, Nunez can pass the physical. Alex Speier @alexspeier Just saw Eduardo Nunez leaving JetBlue Park. He suggested no deal is final but he remains hopeful of a return to Boston after ‘a great experience’ in 2017. Speier link
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Post by thelavarnwayguy on Feb 17, 2018 18:44:43 GMT -5
Everything I see tells me they do not want to go over the $237 mil. I think they are willing to go over it for a year or maybe 2 but it really cripples a franchise if they start going over it all the time, especially if it is by a big amount. If they go over it much going forward I think they only do it for a year or 2. There really isn't that much a need to go over it in my opinion. It gets crazy at some point and for relatively little incremental benefit overall most of the time.
Had a crazy dream last night. It involved Mike Trout becoming a Red Sox...
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Post by jimoh on Feb 18, 2018 12:44:30 GMT -5
Dombrowski live now talking about Nunez. Knee is something he will feel, but is fine, not getting surgery is the right thing for that kind of injury.
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