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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 16, 2018 8:18:17 GMT -5
The thing with Nunez is that over the last two years he's been basically a .300 hitter. Which is key for a team with so many streaky hitters.
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 16, 2018 8:35:34 GMT -5
4 Million base, 1M in incentives, 2M buy-out for the option.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 16, 2018 8:56:47 GMT -5
I'm down for a $3M AAV for Nunez.
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Post by swingingbunt on Feb 16, 2018 9:04:52 GMT -5
I'm down for a $3M AAV for Nunez. AAV is guaranteed dollars / guaranteed years. Since he is only guaranteed one-year his AAV will be between $6-7M, depending on how many incentives he gets
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Post by Addam603 on Feb 16, 2018 9:06:39 GMT -5
Physical being done today. Holding my breath until then.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Feb 16, 2018 9:46:50 GMT -5
Great addition and if he replaces Holt, addition by subtraction.
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Post by GyIantosca on Feb 16, 2018 9:52:23 GMT -5
To me this is building out the depth of the team. There are a couple of kids with no options. I hope we don’t give up on someone who will bite us back. Praying Price bounces back and opts out in offseason. This will give the Sox a ton of flexibility. According to Mcadam the next three offseason there is an important player or two deal expiring.
To me this is important but exciting we are not married to crappy deals. Just see who stays who gets moved. Plus some of those old deals will finally clear up. Don’t forget these other geniuses teams I.e. Astros good Luck locking up your guys enjoy it while you can. The only team that can do what they want is the usual Yankees. By the way not buying what they have left in the minors ,Basebball America as usual drools on anything breathing in the Yankees system. We will see Mazz about that two year window on the Red Sox.
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Post by nomar on Feb 16, 2018 10:15:46 GMT -5
$4M for a utility guy who unlike Holt, can be an average hitter? Sign me up.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 16, 2018 10:43:08 GMT -5
If we're getting the 2017 version of Eduardo Nunez then great.
But there was concern about his knee that was mentioned. If he passes the physical but his knee still isn't quite right that could hamper him and we wouldn't be getting the Eduardo Nunez we thought we're getting.
The market, of course, is a big factor in Nunez not getting the money we thought he could get, but I think his knee being a question mark is just as big a factor.
$4 million for a broken down Nunez isn't a killer, but it's not a bargain.
Not to be a downer here - I'm just surprised that there seems to be very little concern about his knee.
Like I said, if he is Nunez circa 2017, then it's a fantastic deal.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 16, 2018 10:59:42 GMT -5
I don't think there's no concern, I think it's more that the upside at that dollar amount makes the risk-reward calculation an easy one.
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Post by giltg on Feb 16, 2018 11:10:00 GMT -5
Last night Buster Olney tweeted:" The Red Sox have an agreement to sign Eduardo Nunez pending physical but given his ailments of last year that's not a slam dunk". I'm not concerned that Nunez may fail the physical due to the Red Sox knowing his history but when you see a tweet like that you become a little leery.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 16, 2018 11:23:27 GMT -5
I don't think there's no concern, I think it's more that the upside at that dollar amount makes the risk-reward calculation an easy one. I agree. It's just that I think we have to allow for the possibility that he passes the physical but his knee isn't quite right and he's not the player he's been the past few years. Hope that's not the case, though, because for $4 million, the player that he's been, is an absolute steal of a deal.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 16, 2018 13:16:16 GMT -5
I'm down for a $3M AAV for Nunez. AAV is guaranteed dollars / guaranteed years. Since he is only guaranteed one-year his AAV will be between $6-7M, depending on how many incentives he gets Good call. Next year, they'd get a $2M credit if he's back on that option though. And to add to the conversation re: concern on the knee, if it's bad enough it's going to bother him, he's going to fail the physical, so... I don't see the issue? If he fails it there's no harm done. And if it still hampers him, it's not like $4M is breaking the bank.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 16, 2018 13:40:45 GMT -5
That's not necessarily true. Hanley played with one shoulder last year. He got his shoulder fixed. I'd be on him to replicate his 2016 season more than I'd bet on Nunez to replicate his final two months of his 2017 season. A healthy Hanley is a much better offensive player than Nunez, and it's not like Nunez is a gold glover. Hanley has been awful at the plate 2 out of the last 3 years Champs, and Nunez has outproduced Hanley in all but one season during this time. Repeating myself here, so move along if you've seen this before. When Ramirez is healthy he hits, and he can hit an absolute ton, carrying a team on his back gleefully even if he misses a few base running signals because of all that weight. The problem has - forever - been the same one. He hasn't been able to stay healthy. The idea that Nunez can hold Ramirez' bat when that guy is on is silly. They are not the same player at the plate, not close. I like Nunez a lot though I tend to vote with Hatfield here: he isn't quite what he appeared to be when he rode that hot streak last year. But I also believe that Ramirez has the potential to be a really important piece, because when Ramirez is healthy...
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 16, 2018 14:48:59 GMT -5
That doesn't jibe with Pepen's report.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Feb 16, 2018 15:05:22 GMT -5
That doesn't jibe with Pepen's report. Well... I was out of the country and haven't read through everything. Who is Pepen?
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Feb 16, 2018 15:30:02 GMT -5
When Pedroia is back, the bench would be: Brentz Swihart Nunez Leon
in theory. Nunez .... not much of a backup SS. worse than Holt? so adding Holt puts Brentz on waivers.
And there sure ain't room for Nunez Holt and Marrero
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 16, 2018 15:32:10 GMT -5
When Pedroia is back, the bench would be: Brentz Swihart Nunez Leon in theory. Nunez .... not much of a backup SS. worse than Holt? so adding Holt puts Brentz on waivers. And there sure ain't room for Nunez Holt and Marrero Brentz will be gone if Martinez signs here.
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Post by dirtdog on Feb 16, 2018 15:53:14 GMT -5
When Pedroia is back, the bench would be: Brentz Swihart Nunez Leon in theory. Nunez .... not much of a backup SS. worse than Holt? so adding Holt puts Brentz on waivers. And there sure ain't room for Nunez Holt and Marrero It's too bad they dont what they have in Swihart and where he plays. I'd rather carry a late innings glove like Marrero than Leon.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 16, 2018 15:55:13 GMT -5
That doesn't jibe with Pepen's report. I'm not having a lot of faith in Pepen's reports right now.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 16, 2018 16:01:30 GMT -5
The bench could be, assuming no JDM signing:
Leon Marrero Nunez Swihart
Maybe Holt and Brentz don't make it, and Swihart and Nunez are considered the backup outfielders as each could play LF while the other two outfielders, whichever one aren't hurt or taking a day off, could play CF and RF.
Marrero could be the Bogaerts backup and the Devers late inning defensive replacement.
Not sure where they'd really play Swihart defensively. Hanley could play 1b if Moreland is off or injured.
If the Sox did sign JDM then you have a bench of:
Moreland (I prefer that Hanley is raking and playing 1b) as a late inning defensive sub Leon Swihart Nunez
And Marrero would be squeezed out.
The Sox would have to suffer with Nunez' defense on a day Bogaerts is injured or off.
And if Bogaerts hit the DL, the Sox could call up Marcos Hernandez to assume SS, assuming that Marrero was DFA and no longer around.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Feb 16, 2018 16:12:35 GMT -5
That doesn't jibe with Pepen's report. My Spanish isn't so great, but Google translating his reports gives no indication of a team or player option. The player option makes more sense in guaranteeing Nunez more money and lowering the team AAV for a JDM signing. Where did you see it reported as a team option?
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Post by Addam603 on Feb 16, 2018 16:18:49 GMT -5
Pepen reports a 2 million dollar buyout. Are buy outs more commonly used in team options or player options? Or both?
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Post by soxfanatic on Feb 16, 2018 16:41:23 GMT -5
Pepen reports a 2 million dollar buyout. Are buy outs more commonly used in team options or player options? Or both? Buy outs are almost exclusively used for club options right?
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Post by Addam603 on Feb 16, 2018 17:00:03 GMT -5
Pepen reports a 2 million dollar buyout. Are buy outs more commonly used in team options or player options? Or both? Buy outs are almost exclusively used for club options rift? That was my first thought but honestly could not tell you for certain.
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