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Post by stevedillard on Feb 20, 2018 13:48:59 GMT -5
Sold?
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Post by vermontsox1 on Feb 20, 2018 13:49:40 GMT -5
Per multiple reports, Brentz has been traded to the Pirates for cash considerations.
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Post by bluechip on Feb 20, 2018 13:50:32 GMT -5
Seems to clear up that needed roster spot for JDM.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 20, 2018 13:51:24 GMT -5
This seems like a good time to launch my offshoot site, SoxProspectsWhoGotTradedtoPittsburghDueToARosterCrunch dot com.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 20, 2018 13:54:53 GMT -5
They didn't need to do that - yet.
If one of the OF were injured it would have been smart to have him on hand, and then if you don't need him, you get Jeremy Barfield on the 40 man roster and ready to contribute and let him go.
I never did think the Sox would get much for Brentz so I'm not really lamenting the lack of value they got for him. Brentz wouldn't return much more than a fringe player at this point.
I think the Sox actually did him a solid here. The Pirates are the perfect team for him to get a shot with. He's not much of a fielder but the Pirates probably won't care much.
I hope he's able to carve out a little bit of a career here.
If he got 500 ABs, he might hit .240 with 20 homers and an OPS in the lower .700s with mediocre defense. For the Pirates given where they are, that would be fine.
Personally I would have preferred Pedroia to the 60 day DL or DFA Jerez who might not even be good enough to be a LOOGY.
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Post by Addam603 on Feb 20, 2018 13:55:20 GMT -5
So how does the logistics of this work? Is it money to pay his contract? International money? More money than the contract is worth?
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Post by dirtdog on Feb 20, 2018 14:07:49 GMT -5
I hope he tears it up over there. It never seemed to be in the cards here.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Feb 20, 2018 14:10:25 GMT -5
I'm going to go out on a limb and give the hot take: the Red Sox will regret selling Babe Ruth more than Bryce Brentz.
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Post by carmenfanzone on Feb 20, 2018 14:25:31 GMT -5
Disappointing. They really think they have 40 players more valuable than him? What if Martinez gets hurt in spring training?
Why not hold onto him until late spring training and try to get a younger player for him?
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Post by doctorduck21 on Feb 20, 2018 14:32:52 GMT -5
Disappointing. They really think they have 40 players more valuable than him? What if Martinez gets hurt in spring training? Why not hold onto him until late spring training and try to get a younger player for him? Even if we held onto Brentz until the end of spring, we weren't getting anything notable for him. He's a 29 year old who's never been a good player at the major league level. Sure he had a good year in AAA last year and there are a few players I would've moved first(looking at you, Marrero) but it's not that big a loss. Maybe he can be a quality major leaguer but I doubt it. |
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 20, 2018 14:33:47 GMT -5
Why not hold onto him until late spring training and try to get a younger player for him? If they could've gotten a younger player for him, they would have. The return is better now than it would have been at the end of spring training, when it would've been more clear that he wasn't making the team. |
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Post by Coreno on Feb 20, 2018 14:39:38 GMT -5
Wish they could have gotten a PTBNL, but at least they got something for him. I'll be interested to see if he can actually do anything in PIT, but we essentially have the not-on-the-40-man / not-out-of-options version of him in Barfield.
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Post by giltg on Feb 20, 2018 14:47:01 GMT -5
There's still moves to be made.There's still free agents out there that might take a minor league contract or as spring goes on another team releases a player. Then there's the other players who are out of options like Marrero and Holt . Piece them and maybe Hembree and/or Johnson together they might get a nice player in return. Just an idea.
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Post by sibbysisti on Feb 20, 2018 15:27:00 GMT -5
Glad to see him get a chance to play. I never understood the interest here on him as, at age 29, he's had a lackluster minor league career until his outlier 2017.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 20, 2018 15:53:29 GMT -5
Glad to see him get a chance to play. I never understood the interest here on him as, at age 29, he's had a lackluster minor league career until his outlier 2017. It's because he finally changed his swing path like so many other players who figured out that putting the ball in the air is what is needed. It was a calculated move that greatly increased his performance so we wanted to see him do it in the majors. He made a big adjustment that worked out really well. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 20, 2018 16:00:14 GMT -5
There's still moves to be made.There's still free agents out there that might take a minor league contract or as spring goes on another team releases a player. Then there's the other players who are out of options like Marrero and Holt . Piece them and maybe Hembree and/or Johnson together they might get a nice player in return. Just an idea. I guess it depends on your definition of nice player. Five pennies aren't going to get the Red Sox a nickel. |
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Post by giltg on Feb 20, 2018 16:09:04 GMT -5
There's still moves to be made.There's still free agents out there that might take a minor league contract or as spring goes on another team releases a player. Then there's the other players who are out of options like Marrero and Holt . Piece them and maybe Hembree and/or Johnson together they might get a nice player in return. Just an idea. I guess it depends on your definition of nice player. Five pennies aren't going to get the Red Sox a nickel. The Twins took a shiny penny and got a $100 bill back in Odorizzi. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 20, 2018 16:26:43 GMT -5
It seems to me now that they were only interested in him as a backup plan if they didn't sign Martinez or a backup plan along the same lines.
I don't think there was ever going to be much of a market for him, and they definitely weren't going to get anything for him once they agreed to terms with Martinez, because there was no way he was making the team with everyone healthy.
I am kind of surprised, though, that Marrero outlasted him. They are much thinner in the outfield than at utility infielder, and as stated, they're one injury away from with a non-40-man guy or having Holt or Lin as the 4th OF.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 20, 2018 16:44:13 GMT -5
I guess it depends on your definition of nice player. Five pennies aren't going to get the Red Sox a nickel. The Twins took a shiny penny and got a $100 bill back in Odorizzi. True, the return was underwhelming but he is a prospect TB must have liked, not a fringe major leaguer about to be cut in a roster crunch. |
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Post by juanpena on Feb 20, 2018 16:47:52 GMT -5
I guess it depends on your definition of nice player. Five pennies aren't going to get the Red Sox a nickel. The Twins took a shiny penny and got a $100 bill back in Odorizzi. A 21-year-old shortstop and a 29-year-old corner infielder are a useful comparison? |
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Post by giltg on Feb 20, 2018 17:03:23 GMT -5
The Twins took a shiny penny and got a $100 bill back in Odorizzi. True, the return was underwhelming but he is a prospect TB must have liked, not a fringe major leaguer about to be cut in a roster crunch. I get your point on the roster crunch knocking down the value of Marrero and Holt. But I would at least like to get something back like a lottery ticket type of player. |
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Feb 20, 2018 17:08:04 GMT -5
It seems to me now that they were only interested in him as a backup plan if they didn't sign Martinez or a backup plan along the same lines. I don't think there was ever going to be much of a market for him, and they definitely weren't going to get anything for him once they agreed to terms with Martinez, because there was no way he was making the team with everyone healthy. I am kind of surprised, though, that Marrero outlasted him. They are much thinner in the outfield than at utility infielder, and as stated, they're one injury away from with a non-40-man guy or having Holt or Lin as the 4th OF. Maybe the Sox have more faith in Swihart as outfielder, even with the lack of experience. I think he might be already better than Brentz as a outfielder myself. Way more athletic out there. |
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Post by wcsoxfan on Feb 20, 2018 17:11:01 GMT -5
It seems to me now that they were only interested in him as a backup plan if they didn't sign Martinez or a backup plan along the same lines. I don't think there was ever going to be much of a market for him, and they definitely weren't going to get anything for him once they agreed to terms with Martinez, because there was no way he was making the team with everyone healthy. I am kind of surprised, though, that Marrero outlasted him. They are much thinner in the outfield than at utility infielder, and as stated, they're one injury away from with a non-40-man guy or having Holt or Lin as the 4th OF. If Martinez, Hanley or an OF get hurt then you have Nunez as backup (his outfield defense has been good in SSS) but if Nunez gets hurt you need Marrero as backup as the other options are redundant and Holt/Hernandez have health concerns. (Nunez still has a balky knee) From a depth perspective I think it's the right move - but there's far more upside in Brentz than Marrero. I'm conflicted. |
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Post by wcsoxfan on Feb 20, 2018 17:13:24 GMT -5
It seems to me now that they were only interested in him as a backup plan if they didn't sign Martinez or a backup plan along the same lines. I don't think there was ever going to be much of a market for him, and they definitely weren't going to get anything for him once they agreed to terms with Martinez, because there was no way he was making the team with everyone healthy. I am kind of surprised, though, that Marrero outlasted him. They are much thinner in the outfield than at utility infielder, and as stated, they're one injury away from with a non-40-man guy or having Holt or Lin as the 4th OF. Maybe the Sox have more faith in Swihart as outfielder, even with the lack of experience. I think he might be already better than Brentz as a outfielder myself. Way more athletic out there. Last time he saw him in the OF for the Red Sox it didn't go well - but agree he probably is better depth there than as an IF. |
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Post by ericmvan on Feb 20, 2018 17:27:01 GMT -5
As I mentioned earlier, Brentz is useful if any one of seven guys gets hurt in ST.
Meanwhile, Heath Hembree is also out of options and is the fifteenth most valuable pitcher on the roster (I don't think there's a good argument for him being better than Workman.) He's only useful if three guys simultaneously are hurt.
The alternative to Brentz if one of those seven guys does get hurt is either carrying two backup catchers, or a third utility infielder. In many scenarios, it makes Holt the 4th OFer on days when JDM is at DH.
The alternative to Hembree if there are three or more pitching injuries is Austin Maddox, who may not even be a downgrade.
If two of the seven guys Brentz was backing up get hurt, you're starting to get into Jesse Barfield territory.
If there are four or more pitching injuries, you've still get the best of Beeks, Velazquez, and half a dozen other guys, and that might not be a downgrade, either.
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