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4/20-4/22 Red Sox @ Athletics Series Thread
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 20, 2018 8:21:24 GMT -5
4/20 Red Sox (LHP Drew Pomeranz [2018 debut]) @ Athletics (RHP Kendall Graveman 0-3, 9.87, 17.1 IP, 10K:7BB) 10:05 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 4/21 Red Sox (LHP Chris Sale 1-0, 1.23, 22.0 IP, 31K:5BB) @ Athletics (LHP Sean Manaea 2-2, 1.63, 27.2 IP, 20K:4BB) 9:05 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 4/22 Red Sox (LHP David Price 2-1, 2.25, 20.0 IP, 17K:9BB) @ Athletics (RHP Daniel Mengden 2-2, 4.50, 24.0 IP, 18K:3BB) 4:05 pm ET, NESN/WEEI MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsA note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2018: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been very liberal in moderating the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way would be silly. However, we do ask posters to maintain a certain level of decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit), and of course, follow the Ground Rules ( link). The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. -The Management
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 8:27:44 GMT -5
Any word on the Pomeranz countermove yet? My guess would be to option Walden, but the Sox have made some interesting decisions lately.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 20, 2018 8:45:20 GMT -5
The only way I can see it being someone other than Walden is if they want to keep Velazquez working on a rotation.
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Post by costpet on Apr 20, 2018 9:07:33 GMT -5
If Kelly gets suspended today, they can hang onto Walden for a few more days.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 20, 2018 9:21:39 GMT -5
Any word on the Pomeranz countermove yet? My guess would be to option Walden, but the Sox have made some interesting decisions lately.Like? It's clearly either Walden or Velazquez. I'd say definitely the former except for the fact that given that Poyner is rehabbing and presumably close, it's possible they instead option Velazquez now to continue starting, with Walden going down when Poyner is activated. |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 20, 2018 9:22:52 GMT -5
If Kelly gets suspended today, they can hang onto Walden for a few more days. Ah, I'd missed that his appeal is being heard today. That's probably the countermove then. There's no way he's not getting suspended - the question is for how long. |
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Post by radiohix on Apr 20, 2018 10:03:23 GMT -5
I honestly think that the tonight game will be the hardest one to win (Doesn't mean that the others will be a walk in the park) because of a rusty Pomeranz who hasn't been impressive in his 2 rehab starts with a velocity a tick or 2 down. Last year he started slow too because he dealt then with an injury in ST and fought with his mechanics.
Anyway, glad having the Big Smooth back.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 10:13:01 GMT -5
Any word on the Pomeranz countermove yet? My guess would be to option Walden, but the Sox have made some interesting decisions lately.Like? It's clearly either Walden or Velazquez. I'd say definitely the former except for the fact that given that Poyner is rehabbing and presumably close, it's possible they instead option Velazquez now to continue starting, with Walden going down when Poyner is activated. Like designating Taylor. |
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Post by costpet on Apr 20, 2018 11:11:24 GMT -5
With the way their starting pitchers have preformed, Pomeranz will probably pitch a no hitter tonight.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 20, 2018 11:23:01 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if Pomeranz struggled and/or gave up the long-ball. Olson has serious power as does Davis. Chapman is hitting well and Jed Lowrie has hit well and with power.
And the Red Sox are due to cool off with the bats and Oakland can be a tough place to generate runs. However the guy going for Oakland tonight hasn't exactly been Cy Young himself.
So I would think today will be a battle of the bullpens. I anticipate seeing Hector Velazquez. The question is will it be the 6th inning or the 3rd inning?
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Post by nomar on Apr 20, 2018 11:55:47 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if Pomeranz struggled and/or gave up the long-ball. Olson has serious power as does Davis. Chapman is hitting well and Jed Lowrie has hit well and with power. And the Red Sox are due to cool off with the bats and Oakland can be a tough place to generate runs. However the guy going for Oakland tonight hasn't exactly been Cy Young himself. So I would think today will be a battle of the bullpens. I anticipate seeing Hector Velazquez. The question is will it be the 6th inning or the 3rd inning? All fair, but I bet Graveman is shaking in his boots. |
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Post by patford on Apr 20, 2018 12:05:30 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if Pomeranz struggled and/or gave up the long-ball. Olson has serious power as does Davis. Chapman is hitting well and Jed Lowrie has hit well and with power. And the Red Sox are due to cool off with the bats and Oakland can be a tough place to generate runs. However the guy going for Oakland tonight hasn't exactly been Cy Young himself. So I would think today will be a battle of the bullpens. I anticipate seeing Hector Velazquez. The question is will it be the 6th inning or the 3rd inning? All fair, but I bet Graveman is shaking in his boots. Some time this year I would not be surprised to see the Sox hit six or seven HRs in a row. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 20, 2018 12:48:39 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised if Pomeranz struggled and/or gave up the long-ball. Olson has serious power as does Davis. Chapman is hitting well and Jed Lowrie has hit well and with power. And the Red Sox are due to cool off with the bats and Oakland can be a tough place to generate runs. However the guy going for Oakland tonight hasn't exactly been Cy Young himself. So I would think today will be a battle of the bullpens. I anticipate seeing Hector Velazquez. The question is will it be the 6th inning or the 3rd inning? All fair, but I bet Graveman is shaking in his boots. Obviously Graveman is a better pitcher than he's showing this year thus far, but he's been brutal up to this point in 2018. It wouldn't be shocking to see Graveman get hit around. Hopefully Pomeranz can keep the A's in check. I figure either it's a piggyback type of game if Pomeranz is reasonably effective and Velazquez comes in after him. Either that or Velazquez is long man if Pomeranz struggles. What's cool is that the Sox are already getting their west coast swing out of the way in April. The west coast trip can be tough later in the season. Plenty of seasons where the Sox have struggled out west. Nice that it'll be out of the way. And then down the road the Sox can fun facing the Rangers pitching staff at some point and the not ready for primetime White Sox, seen their best days Tigers, and the remnants of the KC Royals, not to mention a lot more of the decimated Rays and an Orioles team that will have to be dismantled. The Sox will struggle at points during the year, but there are a lot of bad teams and a lot of victories out there waiting to be taken! |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 20, 2018 13:33:27 GMT -5
If Kelly gets suspended today, they can hang onto Walden for a few more days. Ah, I'd missed that his appeal is being heard today. That's probably the countermove then. There's no way he's not getting suspended - the question is for how long. Nevermind. Walden optioned. |
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Post by 180054giant on Apr 20, 2018 13:36:47 GMT -5
JD and Mookie are 1 & 2 this year in barrels/PA: baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast_leaderboardJD is #1 in barrels/contact, #5 in average exit velocity and #2 behind Moncada in hard hit% (95mph +) I knew JD was hitting the ball better than his numbers had shown but not this well. |
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 20, 2018 13:52:17 GMT -5
Ah, I'd missed that his appeal is being heard today. That's probably the countermove then. There's no way he's not getting suspended - the question is for how long. Nevermind. Walden optioned. Because suspended (by the league) players don't free up a roster spot. You play shorthanded. (Players "suspended" for PED tests or domestic violence go on the Restricted List, and can be replaced.) |
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 20, 2018 13:55:01 GMT -5
Nevermind. Walden optioned. Because suspended (by the league) players don't free up a roster spot. You play shorthanded. (Players "suspended" for PED tests or domestic violence go on the Restricted List, and can be replaced.) Dangit. I knew this too. My bad. |
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 20, 2018 14:12:48 GMT -5
JD and Mookie are 1 & 2 this year in barrels/PA: baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast_leaderboardJD is #1 in barrels/contact, #5 in average exit velocity and #2 behind Moncada in hard hit% (95mph +) I knew JD was hitting the ball better than his numbers had shown but not this well. I love playing around on that site. Also of note: Mookie's expected wOBA is .572 and actual is .514 so he has been unlucky. HAHA (his expected slugging % is .889 (!!!!!!!)) Didi Gregorius is a fraud with an expected wOBA of .399 and actual .475. Mookie and Gregorius are 1 and 2 for wRC+ in the league at 238 and 213, yet their xwOBA differs by .173. I imagine all the 350 foot homers to RF will continue to make Gregorius look way better than he is. His xSLG is .228 lower than his actual SLG, while Mookie's is .092 higher. This site is exactly what I've always been looking for since I got into advanced stats. I wanted xBABIP based on contact quality. Now we have that and a whole lot more! |
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Post by iakovos11 on Apr 20, 2018 14:18:45 GMT -5
Because suspended (by the league) players don't free up a roster spot. You play shorthanded. (Players "suspended" for PED tests or domestic violence go on the Restricted List, and can be replaced.) Dangit. I knew this too. My bad. Might (partially) explain why they kept Velasquez and optioned Walden. If Pomeranz really struggles, HV is definitely the better pitcher, and more stretched out of you need him in the 2nd/3rd instead of the 6th. I recall the reports on Pomeranz were kind of shaky after his 2 rehab starts. It might have been nice to give him another rehab start or 2. However, with NE weather being what it is right now, getting a start on the warmer west coast is nice. Hopefully that helps. I'm sure the front office talked about how he looked and his health and agreed he was ready. |
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 20, 2018 14:46:24 GMT -5
See who the fastest and slowest Red Sox players are: baseballsavant.mlb.com/sprint_speed_leaderboard?year=2018&position=&team=BOS&min=5Some surprises in there including JDM being faster than Hanley and Holt. Benintendi seems to have lost a step going from 28.3 to 26.9 ft/s. I'm not sure when this stat stabilizes so maybe it's meaningless. I checked from year to year and Benintendi seems to be the only one significantly different. Swihart being dead last seems like it will not remain that way. |
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Post by nomar on Apr 20, 2018 14:57:18 GMT -5
JD and Mookie are 1 & 2 this year in barrels/PA: baseballsavant.mlb.com/statcast_leaderboardJD is #1 in barrels/contact, #5 in average exit velocity and #2 behind Moncada in hard hit% (95mph +) I knew JD was hitting the ball better than his numbers had shown but not this well. Glad to see Moncada doing well. |
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Post by nomar on Apr 20, 2018 14:57:49 GMT -5
See who the fastest and slowest Red Sox players are: baseballsavant.mlb.com/sprint_speed_leaderboard?year=2018&position=&team=BOS&min=5Some surprises in there including JDM being faster than Hanley and Holt. Benintendi seems to have lost a step going from 28.3 to 26.9 ft/s. I'm not sure when this stat stabilizes so maybe it's meaningless. I checked from year to year and Benintendi seems to be the only one significantly different. Swihart being dead last seems like it will not remain that way. It’s honestly hilarious how bad Holt is at everything |
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Post by rjp313jr on Apr 20, 2018 15:00:06 GMT -5
If they don’t sweep this team will
Be considered to be in a slump when compared to themselves 😯
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 20, 2018 15:34:36 GMT -5
See who the fastest and slowest Red Sox players are: baseballsavant.mlb.com/sprint_speed_leaderboard?year=2018&position=&team=BOS&min=5Some surprises in there including JDM being faster than Hanley and Holt. Benintendi seems to have lost a step going from 28.3 to 26.9 ft/s. I'm not sure when this stat stabilizes so maybe it's meaningless. I checked from year to year and Benintendi seems to be the only one significantly different. Swihart being dead last seems like it will not remain that way. Benny bulked up and got big this past off-season, so it's no surprise he lost a step. |
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 20, 2018 16:55:56 GMT -5
At some point, the insane start has to come to the end. What you want after that is being merely genuinely great. Like .667 ball. A team that can win 2 of every 3 games wins 108. They've already banked 4 wins above that. That's the realistic dream that makes us giddy ... and if we're talking 112 wins, you may as well set 115 to top the '98 Yankees.
So, I'll be perfectly satisfied to go 4-2 on the rest of the trip, and so should you.
Whereas 5-1 would be more of this madness, as we'll see right now ...
Here are all the teams in MLB history that started 20-4 or better, with run differential and Pythagorean wins. * lost game 25.
22-2
1955 Dodgers, +69, 18.0 * (but got to 24-4). Won WS.
21-3
1911 Tigers, +68, 18.5 * (got to 22-4). Finished 2nd, 89-65.
1946 Red Sox, +58, 16.7 * (got to 23-4). Won pennant.
20-4
1981 A's, +68, 19.7 *. Lost ALCS.
2003 Yankees, +85, 19.1 *. Lost WS to Josh Beckett's Marlins.
1984 Tigers, +71, 18.6 (got to 26-4). Won WS.
1986 Mets, +55, 17.6 *. Not sure what happened.
1977 Dodgers, +58, 17.3 (got to 22-4). Lost WS.
2001 Mariners, +50, 16.7 *. Lost ALCS.
1987 Brewers, +38, 15.0 *. Finished 3rd, 91-71.
Kind of eerie that 8 of the 10 teams lost game 25. But 8 finished first.
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