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Post by telson13 on Jul 24, 2018 22:34:22 GMT -5
I want no part of giving up extra for Stammen, who’s 34, throws 91, and while he’s on a great deal, I’m not sold that this isn’t just noise this year. Ugh...I guess the best trades hurt both parties, but boy, would losing Groome or Mata (or Houck, who’s really looking like the real deal these days) hurt. They really need to learn to develop their own high-end relievers. The high end relievers are coming, but unfortunately they are a year away (think second half of 2019). There in lies the problem, but it makes the loss of Kimbrel more palatable. I’m hopeful, but not “confident.” I do think Buttrey and Lakins, and Jerez to an extent, seem viably useful but I’m not sure they’re 8th inning guys, at least not for a few years. Fingers crossed, though. All three have taken steps forward this year, particularly Lakins in the ‘pen. He’s been a beast. And we’ll see if Feltman rockets through the system. Trading for relievers is just a cruddy thing.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 24, 2018 22:52:34 GMT -5
The high end relievers are coming, but unfortunately they are a year away (think second half of 2019). There in lies the problem, but it makes the loss of Kimbrel more palatable. I’m hopeful, but not “confident.” I do think Buttrey and Lakins, and Jerez to an extent, seem viably useful but I’m not sure they’re 8th inning guys, at least not for a few years. Fingers crossed, though. All three have taken steps forward this year, particularly Lakins in the ‘pen. He’s been a beast. And we’ll see if Feltman rockets through the system. Trading for relievers is just a cruddy thing. I was talking about Feltman and Lakins. Maybe Buttrey works into the mix alone with Poyner and Jerez, but that is in question. Feltman and Lakins feel like sure things on the bullpen side in the future.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 24, 2018 23:31:22 GMT -5
I'm with you. I'd rather grow bullpen help and then rent help as needed. I don't see the need for the Red Sox to give up a crazy about for "controllable" years. Between a healthier Thornburg, Barnes, maybe Smith at some point, Hembree, Poyner, Buttrey, Brasier, and perhaps Kimbrel, I don't see why the Sox can't start 2019 with these pitchers, see if Buttrey or even Lakins can turn into something or somebody else is lightning in a bottle. Early in the season you have time to experiment. If it doesn't work, find a rental reliever to trade for. But don't give up really good prospects for relievers (unless they're elite like Kimbrel who had an amazing track record) like Yates. The one thing I do really like about Yates is that his outstanding results this year include a jump in GB rate and what looks like a BABIP skill, exactly in time with the addition of a splitter. So I do think his results this year are more easily extrapolated than if, say, he were still leaning on the slider. I think he is clearly a superior version of himself. He’s been elite, and I think there’s a good chance he remains so moving forward. But yeah, idk...depends on who they have to give up. If he makes letting Kimbrel go possible, it saves them $15+ M a year, until he becomes a FA. He’s 31, so...idk. FB only sits 94, but Koji sat 88 with the great splitter, so... Ugh. He’d be a great get but giving up Groome or Mata, or Hernandez? Yuck. Chavis and Shawaryn and a guy like Joan Martinez I’d be OK with, if Kimbrel walked and they got under the lux tax. I get nervous about these pitchers coming from big ballparks. If the cost for Yates is palatable, but I can see it being quite painful. I don't want to see Groome or Mata go. For now, I'm willing to buy that Mata's loss of control is a function of him growing into his changing body as opposed to him channeling his inner Henry Owens. I don't know that Groome will ever be what we hope, but I still want to see what he can be - even if we have to wait awhile. I'd be actually alright with giving up Hernandez over Shawaryn although I know Hernandez is a lefty with superior stuff. I just don't trust that his control will be there. And I admit - I like Shawaryn a great deal. He's kind of my binky. I'd be ok with losing a guy like Martinez. Not enthused about losing Chavis, but I figure they'd lose one of Chavis or Dalbec. Chavis is one of those guys they'll never find a real position for and he'll be surplus and dealt away. It's funny, but between Ockimey, Chavis, and Dalbec I see three major leaguers and none of them ever really playing for the Red Sox. I'd be ok with losing one of Lakins or Buttrey in a deal for Yates. I'd feel better if they got Soria for a lesser cost, but the Yates thing, I think could be a real possibility - if they want to not go over the 237 million. They're close and I believe they took money back with Pearce because they have it mapped out what they can spend for a reliever and still not go over. But if they do get a guy like Yates then that makes it less likely that they go over to pick up a back end starter or a 2b like Dozier or Cabrera. If they get a Soria then I can see them spending the money on a starter and 2b.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 24, 2018 23:34:57 GMT -5
The one other thing I wonder is will the Sox go out, if they are willing to exceed 237 million, and get a guy like Zach Duke to go along with a righty reliever?
They don't have a true lefty in the pen, and Poyner is not much of a LOOGY, and Scott is not going to be the guy, so since Britton is out, I can see them getting another righty which makes sense because NY and Houston are RH hitting heavy, but if Pomeranz continues to struggle I can't see the Sox putting him in a post-season bullpen and if Kelly keeps this up he won't even make the staff. They'll need some sort of lefty, so maybe the Sox get Yates and Duke for the pen?
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 25, 2018 0:47:38 GMT -5
Idk what, exactly, they hope to gain unless it’s the installation of Barnes as the closer in the offseason and Yates as the setup. Otherwise, that’s a hefty prospect price to pay. Idk how I feel about that... I'm with you. I'd rather grow bullpen help and then rent help as needed. I don't see the need for the Red Sox to give up a crazy about for "controllable" years. Between a healthier Thornburg, Barnes, maybe Smith at some point, Hembree, Poyner, Buttrey, Brasier, and perhaps Kimbrel, I don't see why the Sox can't start 2019 with these pitchers, see if Buttrey or even Lakins can turn into something or somebody else is lightning in a bottle. Early in the season you have time to experiment. If it doesn't work, find a rental reliever to trade for. But don't give up really good prospects for relievers (unless they're elite like Kimbrel who had an amazing track record) like Yates. I want another arm, but I want one on the cheap. Familiar went for very little. Romo is a great target. I think Soria is a better target if you want years, because he's expensive basically market rate type deal. No need to go big to get an extra year or two at a cheap rate.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 25, 2018 10:22:27 GMT -5
With the trade for Eovaldi, I think the Red Sox should stand pat in the bullpen. Either Eovaldi or Price can move to the pen for the postseason and give them enough a boost.
They do not need a bullpen upgrade for the regular season.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 25, 2018 11:24:00 GMT -5
With the trade for Eovaldi, I think the Red Sox should stand pat in the bullpen. Either Eovaldi or Price can move to the pen for the postseason and give them enough a boost. They do not need a bullpen upgrade for the regular season. I'm not sure I follow here. The post-season rotation would be Sale/Price/Porcello/Eovaldi. I don't think the Sox would start Johnson or Velazquez against Houston or NY. E-Rod is no guarantee to be ready. And if he does make it back he might not be stretched out enough to be anything but a reliever, but we don't even know if he will make it back in time or how effective he will be. Pomeranz will not be starting and unless things really change he won't even be good enough to make a post-season roster. Wright is not likely coming back. So if E-Rod isn't healthy enough, then how can Price or Eovaldi wind up in the pen?
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 25, 2018 11:30:41 GMT -5
With the trade for Eovaldi, I think the Red Sox should stand pat in the bullpen. Either Eovaldi or Price can move to the pen for the postseason and give them enough a boost. They do not need a bullpen upgrade for the regular season. I'm not sure I follow here. The post-season rotation would be Sale/Price/Porcello/Eovaldi. I don't think the Sox would start Johnson or Velazquez against Houston or NY. E-Rod is no guarantee to be ready. And if he does make it back he might not be stretched out enough to be anything but a reliever, but we don't even know if he will make it back in time or how effective he will be. Pomeranz will not be starting and unless things really change he won't even be good enough to make a post-season roster. Wright is not likely coming back. So if E-Rod isn't healthy enough, then how can Price or Eovaldi wind up in the pen? I'm not assuming that everyone is out for the season. That seems illogical.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 25, 2018 11:49:58 GMT -5
I'm not sure I follow here. The post-season rotation would be Sale/Price/Porcello/Eovaldi. I don't think the Sox would start Johnson or Velazquez against Houston or NY. E-Rod is no guarantee to be ready. And if he does make it back he might not be stretched out enough to be anything but a reliever, but we don't even know if he will make it back in time or how effective he will be. Pomeranz will not be starting and unless things really change he won't even be good enough to make a post-season roster. Wright is not likely coming back. So if E-Rod isn't healthy enough, then how can Price or Eovaldi wind up in the pen? I'm not assuming that everyone is out for the season. That seems illogical. Why is it illogical? I think it's illogical to assume everybody is coming back and will be as good as they were prior to injury. I think E-Rod has a better shot at coming back than Wright, but when does he come back? Does he have time to ramp up? Does he have time to shake off the rust? These are legit questions that we really don't know the answers to yet.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 25, 2018 11:54:23 GMT -5
I'm not assuming that everyone is out for the season. That seems illogical. Why is it illogical? I think it's illogical to assume everybody is coming back and will be as good as they were prior to injury. I think E-Rod has a better shot at coming back than Wright, but when does he come back? Does he have time to ramp up? Does he have time to shake off the rust? These are legit questions that we really don't know the answers to yet. I'm not a pessimist. I believe everyone that said that he will be back this year. No one has said his season is in jeopardy.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 25, 2018 12:00:10 GMT -5
Why is it illogical? I think it's illogical to assume everybody is coming back and will be as good as they were prior to injury. I think E-Rod has a better shot at coming back than Wright, but when does he come back? Does he have time to ramp up? Does he have time to shake off the rust? These are legit questions that we really don't know the answers to yet. I'm not a pessimist. I believe everyone that said that he will be back this year. No one has said his season is in jeopardy. It's not really about optimist/pessimist. It's more about being a realist. I read some things about it being worse than what's being let on. Don't know if it's accurate. I do know that once Sept rolls around there's no minor leagues to rehab in, that it takes time to build up, that it takes time to shake off the rust, and that if the Yankees are breathing down the Red Sox' necks they don't have the luxury of rehab starts. I also know that when E-Rod came back from injuries previously he struggled mightily until he was comfortable that he wasn't reinjuring himself. Does all that prove he can't make it back and pitch lights out or at least as he well as he was prior to injury in the playoffs? No, but I do think it's hard to expect it or count on it. But yeah, if he's healthy, then yes, either Price or Eovaldi could slide over to the pen. But more to the point, on 7/31 there's no way you or I could know who's correct about this - so why would you take a chance that you didn't improve the pen and you have no choice but to start Price and Eovaldi? To me, that is totally illogical. You cover your bases. You don't chance getting caught short, and as the Sox sit, they need to improve their pen, particularly as seeing how NY improved theirs and I would anticipate Houston will improve theirs.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 25, 2018 12:03:43 GMT -5
I'm not a pessimist. I believe everyone that said that he will be back this year. No one has said his season is in jeopardy. It's not really about optimist/pessimist. It's more about being a realist. I read some things about it being worse than what's being let on. Don't know if it's accurate. I do know that once Sept rolls around there's no minor leagues to rehab in, that it takes time to build up, that it takes time to shake off the rust, and that if the Yankees are breathing down the Red Sox' necks they don't have the luxury of rehab starts. I also know that when E-Rod came back from injuries previously he struggled mightily until he was comfortable that he wasn't reinjuring himself. Does all that prove he can't make it back and pitch lights out or at least as he well as he was prior to injury in the playoffs? No, but I do think it's hard to expect it or count on it. But yeah, if he's healthy, then yes, either Price or Eovaldi could slide over to the pen. But more to the point, on 7/31 there's no way you or I could know who's correct about this - so why would you take a chance that you didn't improve the pen and you have no choice but to start Price and Eovaldi? To me, that is totally illogical. You cover your bases. You don't chance getting caught short, and as the Sox sit, they need to improve their pen, particularly as seeing how NY improved theirs and I would anticipate Houston will improve theirs. If ERod can't stretch out again, then he could be the guy that moves to the bullpen instead. I think you're being kind of ridiculous about your expectations of what is needed. There is no possible way that we can guarantee victory in the postseason and that seems to be what you want. All that can be done is improve chances by 1-2% at the trade deadline, if that. If the Red Sox are going to win the WS this year, they'll do it because of heroic performances by people like Mookie, JDM, Benintendi or Xander or even some other unlikely hero. Think Altuve against the Sox last year. They aren't going to win the WS because their 3rd best relief pitcher is slightly better than it was before.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 25, 2018 12:28:00 GMT -5
I do hope Eduardo does come back and makes one rehab start in AAA before the international league season is over.
Putting Price in the bullpen would be huge.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 25, 2018 12:41:40 GMT -5
It's not really about optimist/pessimist. It's more about being a realist. I read some things about it being worse than what's being let on. Don't know if it's accurate. I do know that once Sept rolls around there's no minor leagues to rehab in, that it takes time to build up, that it takes time to shake off the rust, and that if the Yankees are breathing down the Red Sox' necks they don't have the luxury of rehab starts. I also know that when E-Rod came back from injuries previously he struggled mightily until he was comfortable that he wasn't reinjuring himself. Does all that prove he can't make it back and pitch lights out or at least as he well as he was prior to injury in the playoffs? No, but I do think it's hard to expect it or count on it. But yeah, if he's healthy, then yes, either Price or Eovaldi could slide over to the pen. But more to the point, on 7/31 there's no way you or I could know who's correct about this - so why would you take a chance that you didn't improve the pen and you have no choice but to start Price and Eovaldi? To me, that is totally illogical. You cover your bases. You don't chance getting caught short, and as the Sox sit, they need to improve their pen, particularly as seeing how NY improved theirs and I would anticipate Houston will improve theirs. If ERod can't stretch out again, then he could be the guy that moves to the bullpen instead. I think you're being kind of ridiculous about your expectations of what is needed. There is no possible way that we can guarantee victory in the postseason and that seems to be what you want. All that can be done is improve chances by 1-2% at the trade deadline, if that. If the Red Sox are going to win the WS this year, they'll do it because of heroic performances by people like Mookie, JDM, Benintendi or Xander or even some other unlikely hero. Think Altuve against the Sox last year. They aren't going to win the WS because their 3rd best relief pitcher is slightly better than it was before. I don't think I'm being ridiculous. If I was then I doubt the Sox would be looking to upgrade their pen. Maybe they're being ridiculous too, or maybe they see what I'm seeing - other teams they'll be playing with stack bullpens while the Sox only trust Barnes and Kimbrel close and late and apparently now Hembree now that Kelly has flamed out. And when did I ever guarantee post-season victory if they do A, B, and C? I identified areas of vulnerability in comparison to the teams they'll be facing in October. The Red Sox could win because Mookie or JDM are perfect or Devers goes off. But they can also win because they can better protect leads against tough lineups with more relief pitching weapons in their arsenal. I know one thing, though. They can easily let leads slip if their pen isn't deep enough.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 25, 2018 12:48:07 GMT -5
If ERod can't stretch out again, then he could be the guy that moves to the bullpen instead. I think you're being kind of ridiculous about your expectations of what is needed. There is no possible way that we can guarantee victory in the postseason and that seems to be what you want. All that can be done is improve chances by 1-2% at the trade deadline, if that. If the Red Sox are going to win the WS this year, they'll do it because of heroic performances by people like Mookie, JDM, Benintendi or Xander or even some other unlikely hero. Think Altuve against the Sox last year. They aren't going to win the WS because their 3rd best relief pitcher is slightly better than it was before. I don't think I'm being ridiculous. If I was then I doubt the Sox would be looking to upgrade their pen. Maybe they're being ridiculous too, or maybe they see what I'm seeing - other teams they'll be playing with stack bullpens while the Sox only trust Barnes and Kimbrel close and late and apparently now Hembree now that Kelly has flamed out. And when did I ever guarantee post-season victory if they do A, B, and C? I identified areas of vulnerability in comparison to the teams they'll be facing in October. The Red Sox could win because Mookie or JDM are perfect or Devers goes off. But they can also win because they can better protect leads against tough lineups with more relief pitching weapons in their arsenal. I know one thing, though. They can easily let leads slip if their pen isn't deep enough. There are a lot of off days in the playoffs. You don't need as deep of a bullpen as you think. I honestly don't believe you'd ever be happy with the roster and say we don't need anything else.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 25, 2018 13:08:01 GMT -5
I don't think I'm being ridiculous. If I was then I doubt the Sox would be looking to upgrade their pen. Maybe they're being ridiculous too, or maybe they see what I'm seeing - other teams they'll be playing with stack bullpens while the Sox only trust Barnes and Kimbrel close and late and apparently now Hembree now that Kelly has flamed out. And when did I ever guarantee post-season victory if they do A, B, and C? I identified areas of vulnerability in comparison to the teams they'll be facing in October. The Red Sox could win because Mookie or JDM are perfect or Devers goes off. But they can also win because they can better protect leads against tough lineups with more relief pitching weapons in their arsenal. I know one thing, though. They can easily let leads slip if their pen isn't deep enough. There are a lot of off days in the playoffs. You don't need as deep of a bullpen as you think. I honestly don't believe you'd ever be happy with the roster and say we don't need anything else. I know there's a lot of days off during the post-season, but you still have to have more than 2 high leverage relievers or at least I think so. To be fair, maybe you can say the Sox have 3. Kelly was one, but he's not even a lock to make the post-season roster. So now Hembree is the guy. If you have a ton of faith on Hembree being better than he has been the past few years then fine. I'm not completely sold on Hembree. He was great in June. I need to see more. And as far as the roster goes, I've been pretty consistent. When the Sox had Sale/Price/Porcello/E-Rod/Wright I don't ever remember not being satisfied with that quintet. But E-Rod and Wright both got hurt and Pomeranz isn't what he was last year. I've been consistent in my belief of a need for a high leverage reliever. I was interested in catching help, but then the Sox (I think) caught a break. Vazquez got hurt and Swihart has had a chance to show that he can become a viable catcher, so with Ramos injured, it's a no-brainer to stand pat. The Sox could use help at 2b unless you love watching Nunez or have a big belief in a Holt/Phillips tandem or perhaps you're a believer of Pedroia coming back again this season. Either way, I don't understand the thought process of we're great so we don't need any improvements because we're so perfect. If the Sox were much, much better than Houston or NY, I'd be cool with that. If it cost way too much to upgrade (and if the Sox do something stupid for a controllable cheap reliever I won't be thrilled), then fine, stand pat, but there's no reason why you can't get a rental. You might find the team less joyful to watch if they only win 78 instead of 79 because Beeks isn't occupying the 5th spot in the rotation, but it would be foolish to not do everything you can within reason to set up this team for their best shot at winning, especially when you are probably going to have to go through 2 monster teams just to get to the Series. They're not playing a 90 win Yankees or Astros team. Those teams will win their 105 games too.
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Post by telson13 on Jul 26, 2018 0:37:59 GMT -5
The one thing I do really like about Yates is that his outstanding results this year include a jump in GB rate and what looks like a BABIP skill, exactly in time with the addition of a splitter. So I do think his results this year are more easily extrapolated than if, say, he were still leaning on the slider. I think he is clearly a superior version of himself. He’s been elite, and I think there’s a good chance he remains so moving forward. But yeah, idk...depends on who they have to give up. If he makes letting Kimbrel go possible, it saves them $15+ M a year, until he becomes a FA. He’s 31, so...idk. FB only sits 94, but Koji sat 88 with the great splitter, so... Ugh. He’d be a great get but giving up Groome or Mata, or Hernandez? Yuck. Chavis and Shawaryn and a guy like Joan Martinez I’d be OK with, if Kimbrel walked and they got under the lux tax. I get nervous about these pitchers coming from big ballparks. If the cost for Yates is palatable, but I can see it being quite painful. I don't want to see Groome or Mata go. For now, I'm willing to buy that Mata's loss of control is a function of him growing into his changing body as opposed to him channeling his inner Henry Owens. I don't know that Groome will ever be what we hope, but I still want to see what he can be - even if we have to wait awhile. I'd be actually alright with giving up Hernandez over Shawaryn although I know Hernandez is a lefty with superior stuff. I just don't trust that his control will be there. And I admit - I like Shawaryn a great deal. He's kind of my binky. I'd be ok with losing a guy like Martinez. Not enthused about losing Chavis, but I figure they'd lose one of Chavis or Dalbec. Chavis is one of those guys they'll never find a real position for and he'll be surplus and dealt away. It's funny, but between Ockimey, Chavis, and Dalbec I see three major leaguers and none of them ever really playing for the Red Sox. I'd be ok with losing one of Lakins or Buttrey in a deal for Yates. I'd feel better if they got Soria for a lesser cost, but the Yates thing, I think could be a real possibility - if they want to not go over the 237 million. They're close and I believe they took money back with Pearce because they have it mapped out what they can spend for a reliever and still not go over. But if they do get a guy like Yates then that makes it less likely that they go over to pick up a back end starter or a 2b like Dozier or Cabrera. If they get a Soria then I can see them spending the money on a starter and 2b. FWIW, Petco is no longer a pitcher’s park, really. I’m much more sanguine on the changeover. Pomeranz pre-injury is a good example...he was essentially the same pitcher before/after the trade. Yates also has the stuff/batted ball profile for success in Fenway, provided the infield D doesn’t hurt him. I agree 66.7% on Chavis, Dalbec, and Ockimey. I think Dalbec, because of his soft hands and outstanding arm, has a chance to be a plus defensive player. If he hits enough to let the power play (.240/.330/.500+), he could start. Cheap options providing average production will be very valuable when extension time comes. Probably still blocked by Devers, but I could see him sticking around particularly if the advanced defensive metrics (which call Martinez an essentially average RF; he’s faster than you’d think and has a good arm...Speier had a story on it a few days ago) have the Sox let JBJ go/trade him, and Betts to CF, JDM to RF. In that case he splits 3b with Devers, who might get some 1b time and both might DH. Ockimey is still 22, but IDK if the hit tool plays, although the IsoD is great. Chavis probably doesn’t have the position, unless they try him back at 2b and Pedroia can’t get back. But yeah, I think all three are MLB caliber, at least as backups.
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Post by telson13 on Jul 26, 2018 1:01:14 GMT -5
If ERod can't stretch out again, then he could be the guy that moves to the bullpen instead. I think you're being kind of ridiculous about your expectations of what is needed. There is no possible way that we can guarantee victory in the postseason and that seems to be what you want. All that can be done is improve chances by 1-2% at the trade deadline, if that. If the Red Sox are going to win the WS this year, they'll do it because of heroic performances by people like Mookie, JDM, Benintendi or Xander or even some other unlikely hero. Think Altuve against the Sox last year. They aren't going to win the WS because their 3rd best relief pitcher is slightly better than it was before. I don't think I'm being ridiculous. If I was then I doubt the Sox would be looking to upgrade their pen. Maybe they're being ridiculous too, or maybe they see what I'm seeing - other teams they'll be playing with stack bullpens while the Sox only trust Barnes and Kimbrel close and late and apparently now Hembree now that Kelly has flamed out. And when did I ever guarantee post-season victory if they do A, B, and C? I identified areas of vulnerability in comparison to the teams they'll be facing in October. The Red Sox could win because Mookie or JDM are perfect or Devers goes off. But they can also win because they can better protect leads against tough lineups with more relief pitching weapons in their arsenal. I know one thing, though. They can easily let leads slip if their pen isn't deep enough. I think his point is that, no matter your team, you can always identify areas of weakness that are potentially upgradable. The question is whether or not those upgrades have genuine value for the cost. At some point you need to trust the roster you have. If you’re looking at a sequence of worst-case scenarios (ERod, Pomeranz, Wright all out for most of the remaining season and/or wholly ineffective, plus none of Kelly/Thornburg/Hembree pitching well), you’re paying a prospect cost on a very low-percentage outcome. It creates roster issues, salary issues, and long-term depth issues, for just a very marginal benefit. Odds are that one or more of the starters and one or more of the pen pieces picks it up. I don’t think there’s a ton of benefit to trying to shore up every *perceived* weakness, when they can’t all be predicted. I’m OK with the Beeks trade, although I don’t “like” it. I think Eovaldi’s addition has some clear benefits, including depth, insurance, and maybe even an edge on extending/re-signing him for Pomeranz’s departure. If Beeks is a 4, it’s a bit of a bummer cost-wise, because those guys are common but not necessarily that cheaply. If he’s a 3, it’s really a bummer but that probably wasn’t going to happen for several years. In the grand scheme he was probably a top-140-160 range guy and that’s not an atrocious price to pay. Plus they keep Eovaldi out of NY. And if they were to get Yates, as I said, it makes sense in terms of Kimbrel’s FA and saving $ to extend their run. But (and the more I think of Familia the more bummed I get) I don’t think they “need” another reliever. They have likely internal moves, including Price, Pomeranz, or ERod, or trying their Buttrey/Lakins/Jerez troika. A 2b would help, maybe significantly, but I think Lin-Holt is sufficient. They don’t “need” an uber team. Any move they make should take the future into account, be it preserving some prospect depth over small upgrades, financial flexibility, or hedging bets on upcoming FAs. You could drive yourself crazy coming up with every possible problem and anticipating those needs.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 26, 2018 2:45:17 GMT -5
www.bostonherald.com/sports/red_sox/clubhouse_insider/2018/07/dombrowski_on_red_sox_trades_i_cant_say_were_done_for_sure?amp&__twitter_impression=true"Cora said Brasier could start to see an expanded role in the late innings. And Eovaldi or a different starter could always try pitching out of the bullpen later this year if the Sox aren’t able to add another reliever." That's big. Brasier is going to get the 7th inning role behind Barnes and Kimbrel it seems like. I'm excited to see it. Cora mentions that Eovaldi could end up in the bullpen, but I hope it's Price instead in the playoffs. Eovaldi is a perfect pitcher to face the Astros and Yankees lineup 2 times through the order in the playoffs as a starter, but his stuff would play well in the bullpen, no doubt. This also shows that the Sox might not come away with a reliever in the trade deadline. Maybe they are thinking the waiver wire period is the best place to get a marginal upgrade in the relief corps later on. Also, Dombrowski isn't done. He's kind of saying this in this article, unless he gets outbid imo.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 26, 2018 12:20:25 GMT -5
articles.masslive.com/redsox/index.ssf/2018/07/could_travis_lakins_090_era_jo.amp?__twitter_impression=true"Lakins has done tremendous," Dombrowski told MassLive.com this past weekend. "He's really adjusted to the bullpen role. Buttrey has had a very good season, too. ... If we had a need, could we go to them? Yes. I think we're deep enough with pitchers right now in the bullpen that we're looking not necessarily for a guy like Lakins particularly who's at Double A to be part of our October, September here. "Could it happen? Perhaps," Dombrowski added. "But it would be more based upon injury factors because we're very deep from the right-hand side with guys that we like. But we like both of those guys a great deal." Look for both Buttrey and Lakins to compete for roles on the 2019 Opening Day roster. "I'm sure if they don't (pitch for Boston) this year, they will go to spring training," Dombrowski said. "I don't know how we'll shape up for next year but you're looking at them to compete for a job." Dave Dombrowski suggesting that you won't see Buttrey or Lakins in 2018 unless there's a lot of injuries to the bullpen.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 26, 2018 12:47:40 GMT -5
How in the heck do the Sox pull off a Yates deal? What can they conceivably offer?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 26, 2018 12:49:44 GMT -5
How in the heck do the Sox pull off a Yates deal? What can they conceivably offer? Karma Pomeranz
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 26, 2018 14:22:07 GMT -5
How in the heck do the Sox pull off a Yates deal? What can they conceivably offer? Yates is about 31? If I were Preller (parish the thought) I'd ask for Houck. By time the Padres are good down the road Yates will be 34 or 35. I would think he'd be interested in Houck. I'm sure Chavis or Dalbec would be of interest. I'm pretty sure the Sox could offer a package to come away with Yates. The bigger question is should they? I think the cost wouldn't be worth it.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 26, 2018 14:35:10 GMT -5
How in the heck do the Sox pull off a Yates deal? What can they conceivably offer? Yates is about 31? If I were Preller (parish the thought) I'd ask for Houck. By time the Padres are good down the road Yates will be 34 or 35. I would think he'd be interested in Houck. I'm sure Chavis or Dalbec would be of interest. I'm pretty sure the Sox could offer a package to come away with Yates. The bigger question is should they? I think the cost wouldn't be worth it. From what DDo said about Eovaldi, I'm pretty sure that's the one pitching move. He can start now and be probably as good or better than Britton in the bullpen later. I kinda called something like that a few days ago when I suggested trading for Gausman or Bundy.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 26, 2018 14:38:40 GMT -5
Too bad for Workman, but it's a numbers crunch and he ended up behind Brasier.
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