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Post by Guidas on Jul 4, 2018 13:32:16 GMT -5
Great win! Happy 4th of July.
Sadly, Atlanta is tanking it but Sox remain in first for another day.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 4, 2018 13:34:28 GMT -5
Hard to believe the Red Sox are already 30 games over .500. That's as much as I hope for in a full season normally.
They could go .500 for the rest of the season and still wind up with 96 wins. What a year.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 4, 2018 13:35:44 GMT -5
Happy sweepsmas America! * I'll show my self out.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 4, 2018 13:37:55 GMT -5
Now we're done early and can watch a full day (two counting tomorrow) of baseball.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 4, 2018 13:41:25 GMT -5
Imagine if both Harper and Machado get moved before the trade deadline. What a story that would be.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 4, 2018 13:46:29 GMT -5
Imagine if both Harper and Machado get moved before the trade deadline. What a story that would be. Who would be in on them? Im guessing the Yanks would be in on Harper.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 4, 2018 13:58:02 GMT -5
Happy 4th from the 5th.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 4, 2018 14:17:57 GMT -5
Hard to believe the Red Sox are already 30 games over .500. That's as much as I hope for in a full season normally. They could go .500 for the rest of the season and still wind up with 96 wins. What a year. What is this "games over .500" of which you speak?
They are 1 game over .667. That's what I've been tracking since they got to 3-1.
They were:
+5, June 6 (peak in June)
0, June 10 +4, June 14 -3, June 20 and 23 (lowest point of season)
0, June 27 +1, June 28 -1, June 29 0, June 30, -2, July 1
Since .667 is a 108-win pace, it seems to be a tough bar to set. But they've been maintaining it since May 15, when they finished going 11-12 following the 17-2 start to finally drop "all the way" down to 28-14.
They are 31-15 since. That may even be more suprising than the 28-14; at that point I'm sure people thought the 11-12 was more telling than the 17-2.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 4, 2018 14:29:19 GMT -5
Check this out. Look how late the separation is:
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 4, 2018 14:29:30 GMT -5
Imagine if both Harper and Machado get moved before the trade deadline. What a story that would be. Who would be in on them? Im guessing the Yanks would be in on Harper. If I had to guess the Dodgers, Phillies, Yankees, andd Astros would be in on Harper.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 4, 2018 14:43:48 GMT -5
Tim Collins has been DFA'd. The Sox should make a small trade and try and get him.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 4, 2018 14:49:14 GMT -5
Tim Collins has been DFA'd. The Sox should make a small trade and try and get him. why, just because he's a lefty ? He has no options. If the Sox really needed a lefty, Poyner would be here.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 4, 2018 14:51:19 GMT -5
Tim Collins has been DFA'd. The Sox should make a small trade and try and get him. Why? He's not even as good as Marcus Walden. I think I'd rather have Tyrion Lannister, who is only slightly shorter.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 4, 2018 14:52:32 GMT -5
Tim Collins has been DFA'd. The Sox should make a small trade and try and get him. why, just because he's a lefty ? He has no options. Yeah it'd be nice to have a hard throwing lefty in the bullpen. You could always option Velazquez.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 4, 2018 14:54:17 GMT -5
why, just because he's a lefty ? He has no options. Yeah it'd be nice to have a hard throwing lefty in the bullpen. You could always option Velazquez. That's setting the bar so low. I'd seriously rather have Johnson or Poyner. They don't walk as many guys as they strike out.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 4, 2018 14:55:35 GMT -5
Yeah it'd be nice to have a hard throwing lefty in the bullpen. You could always option Velazquez. That's setting the bar so low. I'd seriously rather have Johnson or Poyner. They don't walk as many guys as they strike out. Collins had a strikeout rate of over 10 per nine innings this year in the minors.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 4, 2018 14:57:12 GMT -5
That's setting the bar so low. I'd seriously rather have Johnson or Poyner. They don't walk as many guys as they strike out. Collins had a strikeout rate of over 10 per nine innings this year in the minors. So does Robby Scott. Poyner is close to that and doesn't walk anyone.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 4, 2018 15:00:22 GMT -5
Collins had a strikeout rate of over 10 per nine innings this year in the minors. So does Robby Scott. Point taken, but Collins throws harder and is coming back from 2 tommy john surgeries. Tim Collins was a really good reliever before he was injured. It'd be a small gamble, but not one that'll kill your team if you took a risk.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 4, 2018 15:02:06 GMT -5
I've been calling for a Poyner callup for a while now. Wish they would trade Hembree or something to open up a spot for him. I think he's better than Hembree.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 4, 2018 15:03:31 GMT -5
Point taken, but Collins throws harder and is coming back from 2 tommy john surgeries. Tim Collins was a really good reliever before he was injured. It'd be a small gamble, but not one that'll kill your team if you took a risk. He wasn't even that good before the TJ surgeries. He walks way too many guys and doesn't strike enough out. And he's strictly a LOOGY which we have about no use for.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 4, 2018 15:05:57 GMT -5
I've been calling for a Poyner callup for a while now. Wish they would trade Hembree or something to open up a spot for him. I think he's better than Hembree. They're just preserving depth. He'll be up in September and probably used in higher leverage than Hembree and maybe even make the postseason roster over him. Hard to say. We need about 20 relief pitchers throughout the season so even when Hembree is frustrating and mediocre, he's still worth having instead of needing to use someone like Cuevas more often.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 4, 2018 15:06:04 GMT -5
Point taken, but Collins throws harder and is coming back from 2 tommy john surgeries. Tim Collins was a really good reliever before he was injured. It'd be a small gamble, but not one that'll kill your team if you took a risk. He wasn't even that good before the TJ surgeries. He walks way too many guys and doesn't strike enough out. And he's strictly a LOOGY which we have about no use for. He had a K rate of over 12 and a xFIP of 3.41 in 2012 and is still only 28.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 4, 2018 15:08:54 GMT -5
I've been calling for a Poyner callup for a while now. Wish they would trade Hembree or something to open up a spot for him. I think he's better than Hembree. They're just preserving depth. He'll be up in September and probably used in higher leverage than Hembree and maybe even make the postseason roster over him. Hard to say. We need about 20 relief pitchers throughout the season so even when Hembree is frustrating and mediocre, he's still worth having instead of needing to use someone like Cuevas more often. I don't know Jim, Hembree is getting less useful to me when the Sox have so much depth in middle relief waiting in AAA. The guy is so replaceable, especially when you have what seems to be a better arm just waiting there in AAA.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 4, 2018 15:12:40 GMT -5
He wasn't even that good before the TJ surgeries. He walks way too many guys and doesn't strike enough out. And he's strictly a LOOGY which we have about no use for. He had a K rate of over 12 and a xFIP of 3.41 in 2012 and is still only 28. Hembree has a K rate of 11.9 and an xFIP of 3.37 this year. So if we traded Hembree to make a spot for Collins, we could hope that Collins could return to how good Hembree is this season, which he last did 6 years ago? That's really setting the bar too low. We already have much better options in the minors and Collins is terrible this year and also not able to be optioned.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 4, 2018 15:13:57 GMT -5
Yeah, you could be right in saying that he's the next Heath Hembree.
Free Poyner.
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