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7/6-7/8 Red Sox @ Royals Series Thread
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 6, 2018 8:54:10 GMT -5
7/6 Red Sox (LHP Chris Sale 8-4, 2.41, 116.0 IP, 164K:29BB) @ Royals (RHP Jason Hammel 2-10, 5.56, 100.1 IP, 66K:33BB) 8:15 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 7/7 Red Sox (LHP David Price 9-6, 4.28, 96.2 IP, 92K:33BB) @ Royals (RHP Brad Keller 2-3, 2.09, 56.0 IP, 33K:18BB) 7:15 pm ET, FOX/WEEI 7/8 Red Sox (RHP Rick Porcello 10-3, 3.57, 111.0 IP, 104K:26BB) @ Royals (RHP Jakob Junis 5-10, 5.13, 101.2 IP, 92K:28BB) 2:15 pm ET, NESN/WEEI MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsA note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2018: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been very liberal in moderating the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way would be silly. However, we do ask posters to maintain a certain level of decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit), and of course, follow the Ground Rules ( link). The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. -The Management
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 6, 2018 8:56:25 GMT -5
1. That first game is such a mismatch that it's terrifying. Not just Sale vs. Hammel. It's Hammel against the lineup basically created to perfectly wallop pitchers like Jason Hammel, and Sale against a lineup that is set up to be helpless against Chris Sale. I assume the Red Sox will lose 8-1.
2. Over/under on JD Martinez home runs in this series is eight.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 6, 2018 9:05:19 GMT -5
1. That first game is such a mismatch that it's terrifying. Not just Sale vs. Hammel. It's Hammel against the lineup basically created to perfectly wallop pitchers like Jason Hammel, and Sale against a lineup that is set up to be helpless against Chris Sale. I assume the Red Sox will lose 8-1. 2. Over/under on JD Martinez home runs in this series is eight.I feel like that should have been the O/U on HR's he hit at Camden Yards and I think he only hit 1 in that series IIRC. Granted, he still finds other ways to beat you. As for the other note, if we won the Porcello/Scherzer game and the game where we started Johnson/Velasquez against the Angels, then I definitely think we can lose Sale/Hammel.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 6, 2018 9:14:25 GMT -5
I guess the biggest difference there is that Porcello is good. He's not Scherzer-good, but definitely tough on a team struggling like the Nats (until they scored 14 last night after being down 7-0).
The Red Sox winning the Johnson starts with Cora's aggressive hook makes me really, really happy about the Red Sox manager situation. He hasn't been perfect, but he's made a lot of good moves and he's been a huge, incredible improvement over Farrell in terms of starting pitcher usage.
EDIT: There is ZERO chance Farrell pulls Johnson the other night after 4 2/3 innings, just one out from qualifying for a win, even though it was pretty clearly the right move. He managed in a "the game belongs to the pitcher" style to a totally self-defeating level.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 6, 2018 9:19:55 GMT -5
I find it hard to believe that Fox couldn't find a better national game than BOS/KC. I looked at the schedule and noticed just how many horrible teams there are in baseball right now. I'd still probably pick ATL/MIL or COL/SEA over BOS/KC, but they're not very big tv markets.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 6, 2018 12:48:34 GMT -5
Man that would be awesome to sweep these guys and head into the all-star break 34-17 on the road with a lot of our tough road trips in the rear view mirror.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 6, 2018 13:01:13 GMT -5
I just think it would be amazing for the Sox to have their wins in the 60s while their loss figure is still in the 20s.
They haven't done that in 40 years!
On one hand I have trouble seeing the Sox maintaining the 109 win pace because that almost makes it impossible to have a 9-13 stretch or something like that and those times do happen.
And I look at the list of the best Sox teams and the 78 Sox were above the 2018 Sox pace and finished with 99 wins. The 86 Sox were just short of the 2018 Red Sox pace, and even had an 11 game winning streak in Sept of that year, but they finished far short of 100 wins, with just 95.
Yet, I look at the schedule, see a lot of crappy teams, and a lot of home games, and I look at what the Sox have been since they stopped playing out of their minds (that was stopped by Sean Manaea) with a record of 17-2.
They've been 42-27 since which is .609 ball. I was under the thought process that with 74 games left the Sox would probably go 42-32 which is .568 and allows for a stretch of some really mediocre baseball, and if they do that they still top 100 wins at 101-61.
But with that schedule, the home games, the bad teams likely to get worse, it's not out of the question that the Sox maintain that .600 pace they've played since their 17 of 18 stretch ended. If they keep that pace, that's 45-29 for the remainder of the season or 104-58 as the final record.
Obviously for the regular season I'd like to see the Sox finish 1st. That would be the most important result of the regular season, but I think it would be cool if the Sox found their way to a record of 106-56 which is .654 baseball, 50 games above .500, and would set the Red Sox record for most regular season victories (topping the 105 wins of the 1912 club and the 104 wins of the 1946 team). That would take 47-27, a .635 pace, which would be difficult, but certainly not impossible.
I know you can say that, well the Sox are already playing .670 baseball over an 88 game stretch, so what's the big deal about .635 baseball over a shorter stretch? It's true enough, but I think it's hard to play that long in a season without hitting a really rough patch.
Even last year's Dodgers who seemed like shoo-ins to finish above .700 and challenge the 1906 Cubs for most victories endured a horrific stretch where I think they lost 16 of 17.
It's a fun thing to even consider the possibilities when your team has managed to do even better than win 2 of every 3 games for more than 50% of the season.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 6, 2018 16:17:45 GMT -5
2004 Red Sox were better than the 78 or 86 teams. Not just because they won but they won 98 games and that was with a lot of injuries.
There were multiple hall of famers on that team and one of the best lineups i’ve ever seen with Bill Mueller batting ninth.
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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Jul 6, 2018 16:31:22 GMT -5
I read in this morning's paper that KC had fallen from the World Series to last place in the span of a few years, yet KC's payroll was still $144 million (I think I'm remembering the number correctly). It made me pause to appreciate how good we really have it as Boston fans. Sure, our budget is bigger - and we've taken on some really bad contracts - but at least Boston gives its fans some hope each year. On paper, Boston should sweep KC @kc... but sweeping a team while on the road isn't easy.
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Post by beasleyrockah on Jul 6, 2018 16:37:22 GMT -5
2004 Red Sox were better than the 78 or 86 teams. Not just because they won but they won 98 games and that was with a lot of injuries. There were multiple hall of famers on that team and one of the best lineups i’ve ever seen with Bill Mueller batting ninth. What injuries are you talking about? The 04 Red Sox were remarkably healthy overall, especially for a veteran team.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 6, 2018 16:38:56 GMT -5
I read in this morning's paper that KC had fallen from the World Series to last place in the span of a few years, yet KC's payroll was still $144 million (I think I'm remembering the number correctly). It made me pause to appreciate how good we really have it as Boston fans. Sure, our budget is bigger - and we've taken on some really bad contracts - but at least Boston gives its fans some hope each year. On paper, Boston should sweep KC @kc... but sweeping a team while on the road isn't easy. It's not going to be pretty 2-3 years from now.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 6, 2018 16:39:46 GMT -5
2004 Red Sox were better than the 78 or 86 teams. Not just because they won but they won 98 games and that was with a lot of injuries. There were multiple hall of famers on that team and one of the best lineups i’ve ever seen with Bill Mueller batting ninth. Given how many really terrible teams there are this year, I hope that it doesn't tarnish what the Red Sox have done. But I do somewhat agree with you. However, we do have 2 guys who should be in the MVP discussion and a pitcher in the Cy Young discussion this year, which is pretty crazy.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 6, 2018 16:49:31 GMT -5
2004 Red Sox were better than the 78 or 86 teams. Not just because they won but they won 98 games and that was with a lot of injuries. There were multiple hall of famers on that team and one of the best lineups i’ve ever seen with Bill Mueller batting ninth. What injuries are you talking about? The 04 Red Sox were remarkably healthy overall, especially for a veteran team. Yeah that was the only team to have a rotation that didn't miss a single start. Schilling, Pedro, Wakefield, Lowe, and Arroyo didn't miss a single start in the rotation. The only injuries I can think of from that team was Nomar and Nixon. Nixon wasn't much of a factor that year and Nomar was traded.
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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Jul 6, 2018 16:53:52 GMT -5
I read in this morning's paper that KC had fallen from the World Series to last place in the span of a few years, yet KC's payroll was still $144 million (I think I'm remembering the number correctly). It made me pause to appreciate how good we really have it as Boston fans. Sure, our budget is bigger - and we've taken on some really bad contracts - but at least Boston gives its fans some hope each year. On paper, Boston should sweep KC @kc... but sweeping a team while on the road isn't easy. It's not going to be pretty 2-3 years from now. Without researching Boston's contracts... I'd like to think we'd have moved on from not just Sandoval's $$$, but also Pedroia, Porcello, and several others. Pick two or three guys we won't focus on re-signing... trade them for youth... and hope/pray someone, anyone, can bridge the gap until youth arrives. If Sale and Betts stay healthy, they'll chew up a huge chunk of payroll. At least Benintendi and Devers are under control for a bit. Lots of stuff can happen. I agree our ideal window is the next few years. I just have to think/HOPE we'll see some good things happen with our minor leaguers and international free agent signings.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 6, 2018 16:55:56 GMT -5
You can't trade Pedrioa. He has 10/5 rights. He isn't going anywhere. Don't know why people being that up. Porcello is fair game for trade however.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 6, 2018 17:19:16 GMT -5
Looks like Dombrowski made the Steve Pierce trade at the exact right time this year with Moreland going down for a few games. He's batting cleanup tonight. I like Pierce as a low cost resign candidate also after the year.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 6, 2018 18:15:04 GMT -5
I read in this morning's paper that KC had fallen from the World Series to last place in the span of a few years, yet KC's payroll was still $144 million (I think I'm remembering the number correctly). It made me pause to appreciate how good we really have it as Boston fans. Sure, our budget is bigger - and we've taken on some really bad contracts - but at least Boston gives its fans some hope each year. On paper, Boston should sweep KC @kc... but sweeping a team while on the road isn't easy. It's been a long time since they accomplished that.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 6, 2018 19:03:05 GMT -5
I read in this morning's paper that KC had fallen from the World Series to last place in the span of a few years, yet KC's payroll was still $144 million (I think I'm remembering the number correctly). It made me pause to appreciate how good we really have it as Boston fans. Sure, our budget is bigger - and we've taken on some really bad contracts - but at least Boston gives its fans some hope each year. On paper, Boston should sweep KC @kc... but sweeping a team while on the road isn't easy. It's not going to be pretty 2-3 years from now. it wasn't pretty for about 3 yrs after 2013. It is hard to have a sustained run of 10-15 years, even as a big market club.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jul 6, 2018 19:15:53 GMT -5
Holt starting at second base.
Don’t get too elated, Devers is sitting and Nunez is at third base.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jul 6, 2018 19:17:02 GMT -5
Marcus Betts! Lead off dinger!
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 6, 2018 19:17:30 GMT -5
Hammel is already getting hammered lol.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 6, 2018 19:27:28 GMT -5
Lol the only out made by Hammel was a 400 foot fly ball by Benny so far.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Jul 6, 2018 19:27:53 GMT -5
It’s only 1-0 right now but it looks like the Sox should win this game with a score like 17-0. Hammel looks very hittable.
edit. Just like that it’s a 3 run lead.
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Post by Smittyw on Jul 6, 2018 19:29:14 GMT -5
Already 3-0 and the MFY are losing...feeling good things tonight.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 6, 2018 19:31:29 GMT -5
excellent start !!!
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