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7/6-7/8 Red Sox @ Royals Series Thread
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 8, 2018 16:34:26 GMT -5
Thornburg's stuff looks less than impressive so far in my eyes.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 8, 2018 16:36:18 GMT -5
I feel like they should have just started the inning with Kimbrel. Give Thornburg an extra day. There wasn't much of a point in pulling him after 3 batters and 12 pitches. There was a guy on first and one out with a 3 run lead.
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Post by kingofthetrill on Jul 8, 2018 16:46:43 GMT -5
I just want to point out that I had the game off while the Red Sox were scoring in the 7th, and turned the game on just before Leon hit into the double play. And then kept it on as Porcello put the first two batters on and then shut it off. Needless to say I'm not watching the rest of the game season. You had a typo. :-) I also turned it on to watch Thornburg's appearance and the first batter Kimbrel faced and then shut it off for whatever happened after that. I should really get rid of my computer whenever the Sox play.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 8, 2018 16:49:51 GMT -5
It just feels like Price will be the best 8th inning option come playoff time. Thornurg getting back up to the mid 90's could change that between now and then, but can't count on that.
Hopefully Wright has 2 or 3 months left in that knee at the end of the season.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 8, 2018 19:04:00 GMT -5
Michael Brantley over Benintendi for the all star game is a snub.
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Post by manfred on Jul 8, 2018 19:05:50 GMT -5
Michael Brantley over Benintendi for the all star game is a snub. I am guessing Beni paid for the number of Sox All-Stars. But I’d say he is close to deserving to start, not to mention be a reserve.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 8, 2018 19:13:48 GMT -5
Actually Benintendi deserves it over Springer, Haniger and Brantley.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 8, 2018 21:00:56 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Jul 8, 2018 21:08:58 GMT -5
I like this. Maybe it wasn't the right move according to the standard script or the analytics or whatever, but you should go against the script every now and then, maybe one in ten times. Otherwise you're probably being too rigid and ignoring the peculiarities of the situation. The trick is knowing when the right moment is to go off-script. Today Cora chose a good moment.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 8, 2018 21:17:44 GMT -5
Okay, it's a great story against one of the worst teams in baseball in a regular season game that Cora stood up for Porcello and left him in the game.
If that stuff happens in the playoffs, it would be a borderline fireable offense.
I don't want a Matt Harvey or Grady Little moment in the playoffs where the manager isn't playing the situation the right way and he's listening to his players at critical moments of the season.
Right now it's a good story because it worked and Cora gained more trust in his players.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 8, 2018 21:19:09 GMT -5
Actually Benintendi deserves it over Springer, Haniger and Brantley. Benny will get in on the 25th man vote hopefully. That is awful that he didn't get in on the player's vote. What the heck are they thinking?!!
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 8, 2018 21:21:14 GMT -5
I thought it was 16 by Teddy Ballgame. Maybe for the modern era. I just noticed the date on it: 17 – Piggy Ward, Baltimore Orioles/Cincinnati Reds – June 16 through June 19, 1893 (8 hits, 8 walks, 1 hit-by-pitch) (I wonder if he was traded in the middle of the streak?) He actually played for 3 teams in 1893 www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/wardpi01.shtmlThe only player that has come close was Frank Thomas with 15 games in 1997
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 8, 2018 21:30:03 GMT -5
It just feels like Price will be the best 8th inning option come playoff time. Thornurg getting back up to the mid 90's could change that between now and then, but can't count on that. Hopefully Wright has 2 or 3 months left in that knee at the end of the season. Thornburg's peak FB velocity year was 2016 with 94.1 (per Baseball Info Solutions to Fangraphs). So far, he's averaged 93.4. He's pretty much there now. It seems like he just needs to get the pitching rhythm thing going. I'm not counting on Wright or Pomeranz. Johnson seems like the better bet right now.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 8, 2018 21:39:20 GMT -5
It just feels like Price will be the best 8th inning option come playoff time. Thornurg getting back up to the mid 90's could change that between now and then, but can't count on that. Hopefully Wright has 2 or 3 months left in that knee at the end of the season. Thornburg's peak FB velocity year was 2016 with 94.1 (per Baseball Info Solutions to Fangraphs). So far, he's averaged 93.4. He's pretty much there now. It seems like he just needs to get the pitching rhythm thing going. I'm not counting on Wright or Pomeranz. Johnson seems like the better bet right now. Alright, thanks for the insight. Seems like he could stand to gain a little more strength (and velocity on average) and crispness of his pitches as he goes along. Hopefully it comes. Johnson is a question mark now too. He's been injury prone for 3 years now and now he's out with a injury. It isn't considered to be serious by any stretch, but still something worth watching. Pomeranz is honestly a DFA or a trade candidate right now. If the Sox want to make one or two moves at the trade deadline without worrying about the 237 mark (which Dombrowski stated that they'd like to stay under), then clearing Pomeranz's 3.5 - 4 million would go a long way of doing this. I'm sure some team would love to take a chance on him for only that much (especially ones with huge rotation needs). Edit- If Wright came back to pitch one or two games in the playoffs (Game 4 of the ALCS and Game 4 of the World Series) it would still be worth it because it'd keep Price in the bullpen.
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Post by bluechip on Jul 8, 2018 21:39:59 GMT -5
Actually Benintendi deserves it over Springer, Haniger and Brantley. Benny will get in on the 25th man vote hopefully. That is awful that he didn't get in on the player's vote. What the heck are they thinking?!! The players vote for outfielders was terrible.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 8, 2018 23:31:42 GMT -5
Thornburg's peak FB velocity year was 2016 with 94.1 (per Baseball Info Solutions to Fangraphs). So far, he's averaged 93.4. He's pretty much there now. It seems like he just needs to get the pitching rhythm thing going. I'm not counting on Wright or Pomeranz. Johnson seems like the better bet right now. Alright, thanks for the insight. Seems like he could stand to gain a little more strength (and velocity on average) and crispness of his pitches as he goes along. Hopefully it comes. Johnson is a question mark now too. He's been injury prone for 3 years now and now he's out with a injury. It isn't considered to be serious by any stretch, but still something worth watching. Pomeranz is honestly a DFA or a trade candidate right now. If the Sox want to make one or two moves at the trade deadline without worrying about the 237 mark (which Dombrowski stated that they'd like to stay under), then clearing Pomeranz's 3.5 - 4 million would go a long way of doing this. I'm sure some team would love to take a chance on him for only that much (especially ones with huge rotation needs). Edit- If Wright came back to pitch one or two games in the playoffs (Game 4 of the ALCS and Game 4 of the World Series) it would still be worth it because it'd keep Price in the bullpen. For reference, I first looked it up when I saw somebody tweet that he was topping out at 96 at Pawtucket. I didn't remember him being that fast before the surgery. Iirc, when we traded for him, the talk was about his curve, not the fastball. Also, I'm not so sure you can call a line drive to Johnson's face or anxiety issues "injury prone".
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 8, 2018 23:47:04 GMT -5
Alright, thanks for the insight. Seems like he could stand to gain a little more strength (and velocity on average) and crispness of his pitches as he goes along. Hopefully it comes. Johnson is a question mark now too. He's been injury prone for 3 years now and now he's out with a injury. It isn't considered to be serious by any stretch, but still something worth watching. Pomeranz is honestly a DFA or a trade candidate right now. If the Sox want to make one or two moves at the trade deadline without worrying about the 237 mark (which Dombrowski stated that they'd like to stay under), then clearing Pomeranz's 3.5 - 4 million would go a long way of doing this. I'm sure some team would love to take a chance on him for only that much (especially ones with huge rotation needs). Edit- If Wright came back to pitch one or two games in the playoffs (Game 4 of the ALCS and Game 4 of the World Series) it would still be worth it because it'd keep Price in the bullpen. For reference, I first looked it up when I saw somebody tweet that he was topping out at 96 at Pawtucket. I didn't remember him being that fast before the surgery. Iirc, when we traded for him, the talk was about his curve, not the fastball. Also, I'm not so sure you can call a line drive to Johnson's face or anxiety issues "injury prone". Brian Johnson suffered left shoulder impingement issues and shoulder inflammation issues last year ontop of the line drives to the face and anxiety issues.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 8, 2018 23:56:37 GMT -5
Thornburg's peak FB velocity year was 2016 with 94.1 (per Baseball Info Solutions to Fangraphs). So far, he's averaged 93.4. He's pretty much there now. It seems like he just needs to get the pitching rhythm thing going. I'm not counting on Wright or Pomeranz. Johnson seems like the better bet right now. Alright, thanks for the insight. Seems like he could stand to gain a little more strength (and velocity on average) and crispness of his pitches as he goes along. Hopefully it comes. Johnson is a question mark now too. He's been injury prone for 3 years now and now he's out with a injury. It isn't considered to be serious by any stretch, but still something worth watching. Pomeranz is honestly a DFA or a trade candidate right now. If the Sox want to make one or two moves at the trade deadline without worrying about the 237 mark (which Dombrowski stated that they'd like to stay under), then clearing Pomeranz's 3.5 - 4 million would go a long way of doing this. I'm sure some team would love to take a chance on him for only that much (especially ones with huge rotation needs). Edit- If Wright came back to pitch one or two games in the playoffs (Game 4 of the ALCS and Game 4 of the World Series) it would still be worth it because it'd keep Price in the bullpen. I can't see anybody taking Pomeranz and his money in a deal with the Red Sox, not when he can't even get out AAA hitters. I hold out hope that Wright will return and be effective, but now I'm not as certain that he'll be healthy enough to be counted on. That's kind of where I am with Pedroia and that's where I am with Thornburg, too. I wasn't overly impressed by Thornburg. I hope he pitches better as he gets more outings, but he's not somebody that can be relied on. Porcello was impressive, especially the way he beared down in the 7th inning when Cora came out with the hook. Usually it's the kiss of death when the manager trudges back to the dugout empty-handed, but in this case it worked. I still don't really understand Barnes' presence in the game with the Sox up 4 however. Why couldn't have Hembree pitched the 8th? That Royals pitching staff was horrendous. They didn't have one pitcher that made you think that he could stop the Sox offense cold in its tracks. I had no clue who most of those guys even were. I'm glad the Sox took advantage of them. So now after dropping 2 of 3 against NY, they've won 6 straight and head home with a record of 62-29. That's where the 1978 team was at that point so the 2018 team has caught them. It was funny but on The Baseball Show Evan Drellich predicted the Sox would have some issues (I think he was trying to make the point that it's not likely to go as swimmingly as it has gone) and finish 97-65 which means they'd actually have to go 35-36 to get there. I can see the Sox going through a struggle or two, but it is kind of hard at this point to see the Sox play sub .500 ball the rest of the way. Their competition is mostly pretty weak and the Sox have more than their share of home games, a bunch of offdays, and no west coast trip to speak of. I didn't think the Sox would win more than 100 games but I think there's a legit possibility, even with a cooled off pace.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 9, 2018 0:03:48 GMT -5
Maybe for the modern era. I just noticed the date on it: 17 – Piggy Ward, Baltimore Orioles/Cincinnati Reds – June 16 through June 19, 1893 (8 hits, 8 walks, 1 hit-by-pitch) (I wonder if he was traded in the middle of the streak?) He actually played for 3 teams in 1893 www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/wardpi01.shtmlThe only player that has come close was Frank Thomas with 15 games in 1997 Rule changes in 1893 that substantially changed the game and what pitchers and batter were used to.: Pitching distance increased from 50 feet to 60 feet 6 inches. The pitching box was eliminated and a rubber slab 12 inches by 4 inches was substituted. The pitcher was required to place his rear foot against the slab. The rule exempting a batter from a time at bat on a sacrifice was instituted. The rule allowing a flat side to a bat was rescinded and the requirement that the bat be round and wholly of hard wood was substituted.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 9, 2018 0:50:32 GMT -5
Alright, thanks for the insight. Seems like he could stand to gain a little more strength (and velocity on average) and crispness of his pitches as he goes along. Hopefully it comes. Johnson is a question mark now too. He's been injury prone for 3 years now and now he's out with a injury. It isn't considered to be serious by any stretch, but still something worth watching. Pomeranz is honestly a DFA or a trade candidate right now. If the Sox want to make one or two moves at the trade deadline without worrying about the 237 mark (which Dombrowski stated that they'd like to stay under), then clearing Pomeranz's 3.5 - 4 million would go a long way of doing this. I'm sure some team would love to take a chance on him for only that much (especially ones with huge rotation needs). Edit- If Wright came back to pitch one or two games in the playoffs (Game 4 of the ALCS and Game 4 of the World Series) it would still be worth it because it'd keep Price in the bullpen. I can't see anybody taking Pomeranz and his money in a deal with the Red Sox, not when he can't even get out AAA hitters. I hold out hope that Wright will return and be effective, but now I'm not as certain that he'll be healthy enough to be counted on. That's kind of where I am with Pedroia and that's where I am with Thornburg, too. I wasn't overly impressed by Thornburg. I hope he pitches better as he gets more outings, but he's not somebody that can be relied on. Porcello was impressive, especially the way he beared down in the 7th inning when Cora came out with the hook. Usually it's the kiss of death when the manager trudges back to the dugout empty-handed, but in this case it worked. I still don't really understand Barnes' presence in the game with the Sox up 4 however. Why couldn't have Hembree pitched the 8th? That Royals pitching staff was horrendous. They didn't have one pitcher that made you think that he could stop the Sox offense cold in its tracks. I had no clue who most of those guys even were. I'm glad the Sox took advantage of them. So now after dropping 2 of 3 against NY, they've won 6 straight and head home with a record of 62-29. That's where the 1978 team was at that point so the 2018 team has caught them. It was funny but on The Baseball Show Evan Drellich predicted the Sox would have some issues (I think he was trying to make the point that it's not likely to go as swimmingly as it has gone) and finish 97-65 which means they'd actually have to go 35-36 to get there. I can see the Sox going through a struggle or two, but it is kind of hard at this point to see the Sox play sub .500 ball the rest of the way. Their competition is mostly pretty weak and the Sox have more than their share of home games, a bunch of offdays, and no west coast trip to speak of. I didn't think the Sox would win more than 100 games but I think there's a legit possibility, even with a cooled off pace. I think someone would take a chance on Pomeranz for around 3.5 million. That's not a lot in today's baseball world. There's a lot of pitching issues around baseball where someone I think would take a chance. You could be right though. Some team could look at him as a injury waiting to happen and see that he's already hurt and won't spend any money for him. I think if you hold out Wright as long as you can and you give him time, you could see something towards the end of the year. I don't know, maybe that's the optimist side of me.
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Post by cdj on Jul 9, 2018 1:19:21 GMT -5
I think the royals should be relegated, this is such a blatant mismatch of a series If ever I saw a post that was the kiss of death for the next game ..... Royals are so bad I can’t even mush the game As for Thornburg...the command is off and the curve is inconsistent. Kind of expected considering the thoracic outlet surgery and everything. Been more impressed w his changeup than his curveball to be honest
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Post by gerry on Jul 9, 2018 2:49:24 GMT -5
For reference, I first looked it up when I saw somebody tweet that he was topping out at 96 at Pawtucket. I didn't remember him being that fast before the surgery. Iirc, when we traded for him, the talk was about his curve, not the fastball. Also, I'm not so sure you can call a line drive to Johnson's face or anxiety issues "injury prone". Brian Johnson suffered left shoulder impingement issues and shoulder inflammation issues last year ontop of the line drives to the face and anxiety issues. Wow! Actually, our first round draft pick, a rare good pitcher developed within the Sox system, suffered the anxiety issues after getting hit in the face with a line drive requiring major surgery, and after getting hit in the back of the head by a line drive, and getting carjacked at gunpoint at a gas station, all while succeeding in the minor leagues on his long and often interrupted journey to the Show.. But after years in SEC and pro baseball he developed some minor shoulder issues (shame on pitchers for doing that) and now will miss a game with a sore hip. A real baby, right? So, logically, according to your recurring mantra, we should trade him along with Porcello and several others you do not care for, annd dfa a few more, and Cora better be sharp too, or else?!?!?!?!. After all, players and coaches who only produce the best record in baseball better toe the line. Pedro, I can't understand how you don't love and can't be patient with this group of talented, hard working guys, this amazing Red Sox team that is doing so well in virtually every facet of the game. And we complain about a toxic Boston media? I hope players or their families don't read this site lately.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 9, 2018 3:01:06 GMT -5
Brian Johnson suffered left shoulder impingement issues and shoulder inflammation issues last year ontop of the line drives to the face and anxiety issues. Wow! Actually, our first round draft pick, a rare good pitcher developed within the Sox system, suffered the anxiety issues after getting hit in the face with a line drive requiring major surgery, and after getting hit in the back of the head by a line drive, and getting carjacked at gunpoint at a gas station, all while succeeding in the minor leagues on his long and often interrupted journey to the Show.. But after years in SEC and pro baseball he developed some minor shoulder issues (shame on pitchers for doing that) and now will miss a game with a sore hip. A real baby, right? So, logically, according to your recurring mantra, we should trade him along with Porcello and several others you do not care for, annd dfa a few more, and Cora better be sharp too, or else?!?!?!?!. After all, players and coaches who only produce the best record in baseball better toe the line. Pedro, I can't understand how you don't love and can't be patient with this group of talented, hard working guys, this amazing Red Sox team that is doing so well in virtually every facet of the game. And we complain about a toxic Boston media? I hope players or their families don't read this site lately. Gerry. -I never said that we should trade Porcello this year. In fact, this team needs Porcello this year -I never called Brian Johnson a baby. -I love watching this team perform. I simply said Brian Johnson has a injury history for about 3 years now (which is the truth), and it was something to look out for. Hopefully he stays healthy because the Sox could use him for depth reasons alone. I have mentioned that we should trade Porcello in the future to open up future payroll space and to get something for Porcello in the last year of his contract. I want to see the team do as well as they can in 2018 (hopefully world series) and I also want to see a future beyond 2019 because as this team is currently constructed, that's looking questionable on how it's going to look.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 9, 2018 11:00:02 GMT -5
I didn't think the Sox would win more than 100 games but I think there's a legit possibility, even with a cooled off pace. A legit possibility? The season is 56% over, things are getting pretty locked in. They'd only have to go 38-33 to hit 100 wins. Fangraphs projects them for 104 wins. Fivethirtyeight projects them for 106 wins. That's the kind of record they'll end up with if they cool off a bit from their current 110-win pace. More than 100 wins is very likely.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 9, 2018 12:00:38 GMT -5
I didn't think the Sox would win more than 100 games but I think there's a legit possibility, even with a cooled off pace. A legit possibility? The season is 56% over, things are getting pretty locked in. They'd only have to go 38-33 to hit 100 wins. Fangraphs projects them for 104 wins. Fivethirtyeight projects them for 106 wins. That's the kind of record they'll end up with if they cool off a bit from their current 110-win pace. More than 100 wins is very likely. Just trying to tamp it down a little. The last time the Sox were 62-29 (1978), they didn't win 100 games. Wound up with 99 and that included a stretch where the team won 14 of 15 games in the 2nd half. The 1986 Red Sox weren't too far off this pace and wound up with 95 wins (and they won 11 in a row in September). The 2007 Red Sox played amazing baseball for the first half but kind of coasted to 96 wins. The point is that winning 100 is a hard thing to do. Teams go through 8-15 stretches and stuff like that. Even great teams. This team hasn't really done it yet and maybe they won't. I'm kind of optimistic now that they can do it because of all the horrendous teams, the lack of a west coast trip remaining, Cora has been resting his regulars, and all those home games, but stuff can happen. They have what I'd label 20 really tough games (the 20 is an estimate) - I think they've yet to play Cleveland, have about 10 more games with NY, and have another series remaining with Houston. And so far the Sox have handled TB really well, but they've improved as a team and it's not a given the Sox will beat them like a drum. Injuries can happen, too. So this team might miss 100 wins, but I think there's a good shot (more likely than not) they'll make it and they just might make it with some room to spare, so when I'm saying "legit possibility" I'm saying I like their odds - it's not dreaming or wishful thinking.
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