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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 29, 2018 14:35:19 GMT -5
After the first 7 innings of Eovaldi's Red Sox career, I am going to go out on a limb and say I like the trade! At least it is clear why DD thought the trade was a good idea. After today, I would be surprised if Eovaldi was not one of the starters should the Red Sox have a playoff series with either New York or Houston and all of their right hand hitters. Yeap, easy decision to start him game 2 of the playoffs imo.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jul 29, 2018 14:50:44 GMT -5
After the first 7 innings of Eovaldi's Red Sox career, I am going to go out on a limb and say I like the trade! At least it is clear why DD thought the trade was a good idea. After today, I would be surprised if Eovaldi was not one of the starters should the Red Sox have a playoff series with either New York or Houston and all of their right hand hitters. Yeap, easy decision to start him game 2 of the playoffs imo. It’s one start let’s not go lining up the playoff rotation in July.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 29, 2018 14:55:37 GMT -5
Yeap, easy decision to start him game 2 of the playoffs imo. It’s one start let’s not go lining up the playoff rotation in July. I'll be probably saying this until October. He's probably your second best starter right now with the Eduardo and Wright injuries.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 29, 2018 15:10:20 GMT -5
Great win!
Slot him after Sale to break-up the lefties and let it ride til he bucks you offf.
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Post by telson13 on Jul 29, 2018 15:21:43 GMT -5
After the first 7 innings of Eovaldi's Red Sox career, I am going to go out on a limb and say I like the trade! At least it is clear why DD thought the trade was a good idea. After today, I would be surprised if Eovaldi was not one of the starters should the Red Sox have a playoff series with either New York or Houston and all of their right hand hitters. Yeap, easy decision to start him game 2 of the playoffs imo. Lol, I’m excited after today too, and I’ve been on the bandwagon since I read Jeff Sullivan’s article back at the beginning of the month (lol, I was actually worried the Yanks would snag him over Happ). But that’s a bit premature, no? I mean, he’s starting a push to make it obvious, but I wouldn’t pencil him in just yet.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 29, 2018 15:36:51 GMT -5
Yeap, easy decision to start him game 2 of the playoffs imo. Lol, I’m excited after today too, and I’ve been on the bandwagon since I read Jeff Sullivan’s article back at the beginning of the month (lol, I was actually worried the Yanks would snag him over Happ). But that’s a bit premature, no? I mean, he’s starting a push to make it obvious, but I wouldn’t pencil him in just yet. If Wright can make it back 100 percent by the end of September, then he has a real case to the number 2 starter in the playoffs, but that looks like a really low percentage at the moment. Eovaldi has got the second best stuff on the starting staff. Fenway should help cut down on the homeruns too.
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Post by awall on Jul 30, 2018 10:01:35 GMT -5
Could we please sign him to an extension before he hits free agency?
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Post by fenwayfaithful on Jul 31, 2018 10:00:57 GMT -5
We need to resign him ASAP. He completes our rotation. I love the idea of having him pitch then throw the 60-70 MPH knuckle baller the next day just to mess these opposing hitters up. You can not go wrong with a guy who throws 97mph with stuff like him.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Jul 31, 2018 10:35:43 GMT -5
Could we please sign him to an extension before he hits free agency? Others have also brought this up. He may just find he enjoys his time in Boston enough that it becomes a strong possibility. What it gives the team is the flexibility to buildout next year's roster of starting pitchers without having to break the bank. That's all dependent on his performance of course. Their core of key players is getting more expensive with arbitration costs, and good for them. But I'd like the team be able to afford those guys and still compete. This would be a step in that direction.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 31, 2018 23:29:33 GMT -5
I'd also like to reup Pearce for at least Moreland's remainingyear. A Moreland/Pearce platoon is a significantly above average first base situation.
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Post by soxin8 on Aug 1, 2018 10:28:58 GMT -5
Could we please sign him to an extension before he hits free agency? I think the concern with Nathan will be the two Tommy John surgeries. If he remains healthy through the post season and continues to pitch well, I am sure the Sox would like to have him back. But I don't know what kind of guarantee you want to make to a pitcher with that medical history.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 1, 2018 11:49:01 GMT -5
Could we please sign him to an extension before he hits free agency? I think the concern with Nathan will be the two Tommy John surgeries. If he remains healthy through the post season and continues to pitch well, I am sure the Sox would like to have him back. But I don't know what kind of guarantee you want to make to a pitcher with that medical history. That's the gamble. Logically you can say bring back Eovaldi and after 2019 you let Porcello walk (assuming Price returns) and there's some savings. But Porcello has a long track record of good health while Eovaldi has had 2 TJ surgeries and is not the greatest bet in the world to be a consistent 180 - 200 inning horse the way Porcello is. The Red Sox might have to explore an option like that as it will be hard to keep Sale, Bogaerts, and Porcello around if Price remains and they have any hope of bringing back Betts. But even gambles like Eovaldi can cost money. I'm amazed at what the Dodgers paid for Brandon McCarthy who is hurt more often than he pitches.
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 1, 2018 12:19:49 GMT -5
I can’t wait to see how people react to his second start.
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Post by telson13 on Aug 1, 2018 13:08:49 GMT -5
I think the concern with Nathan will be the two Tommy John surgeries. If he remains healthy through the post season and continues to pitch well, I am sure the Sox would like to have him back. But I don't know what kind of guarantee you want to make to a pitcher with that medical history. That's the gamble. Logically you can say bring back Eovaldi and after 2019 you let Porcello walk (assuming Price returns) and there's some savings. But Porcello has a long track record of good health while Eovaldi has had 2 TJ surgeries and is not the greatest bet in the world to be a consistent 180 - 200 inning horse the way Porcello is. The Red Sox might have to explore an option like that as it will be hard to keep Sale, Bogaerts, and Porcello around if Price remains and they have any hope of bringing back Betts. But even gambles like Eovaldi can cost money. I'm amazed at what the Dodgers paid for Brandon McCarthy who is hurt more often than he pitches. I’ve advocated extending Eovaldi (3/24? He’s tough to gauge) and trading Porcello, then flipping those prospects along with another piece or two for a young starter. I think it makes the most sense long-term. But you’re absolutely right...there’s value in having a guy who goes 180-210 innings *every* year. Especially when those innings are, if not great, more often than not, solid. For all his frustrating stretches, i like Porcello a lot. He goes on long stretches where he’s basically dominant, and he just keeps on going. Here’s a question: Pomeranz comes back and starts pitching reasonably well. Rodriguez comes back, and Sale comes back. 6 healthy starters. Does Pomeranz clear waivers? Or do they option, say, Velazquez and keep him on in the ‘pen? Another question: Brian Johnson looks like an MLB starter. He certainly looks like at least a 5, and probably even better than that. Do they trade him in the offseason? Or, with all the $ crunches coming, do they keep him as the 6th starter/swingman along with Velazquez? I’m a huge Velazquez fan; he sure seems like an FIP-beater (jury’s still out, but it would be quite a lucky streak), and he’s certainly capable of putting up #4 numbers in the 5 spot. And his salary is minimal. They have a ton of SP options. They can absorb *some* risk. How much remains to be seen.
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Post by telson13 on Aug 1, 2018 13:23:47 GMT -5
Could we please sign him to an extension before he hits free agency? I think the concern with Nathan will be the two Tommy John surgeries. If he remains healthy through the post season and continues to pitch well, I am sure the Sox would like to have him back. But I don't know what kind of guarantee you want to make to a pitcher with that medical history. I think you hope he signs for a reasonable (3/24-3/30, tops maybe 4/48?) deal and figure that with the velo back and his pitching well, you can probably count on two, maybe three years where he’s unlikely to re-injure it? It’s a good point. I think that their rotation is so deep they can absorb some injuries, but they don’t want to throw money away either. Any deal they do give him is probably banking a lot on upside; he’s learning to *pitch* and at 28, despite the injury, he’s about the age where many guys start figuring it out. Any deal he signs is, I’m certain, because they think he has a reasonable chance of pulling a Carlos Carrasco.
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Post by garygeigercounter on Aug 2, 2018 14:44:59 GMT -5
Congratulations to Jalen Beeks on his first ML victory.Second pitcher in the Rays bullpen game, pitched 4 excellent innings very efficient 51 pitches allowed only two baserunners (one on an error).His fifth inning was shakier two hits and two runs to leadoff but avoided the big inning with a strikeout and 2 groundballs.Huge improvement over his debut.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 4, 2018 18:04:53 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 4, 2018 18:23:10 GMT -5
I’m looking forward to peoples contract offers to double after this start.
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Post by jchang on Aug 4, 2018 18:26:39 GMT -5
Eovaldi was bWar 0.7 in 10 games, then 0.5 in his first games with us, maybe another 0.5 today?
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Post by Oregon Norm on Aug 4, 2018 23:53:25 GMT -5
He should help the pitching staff get through the season & other then completely dominating through the end of the season I'd doubt he has a roster play off spot. ...after the first two games, that doesn't seem outrageous at all. And yes, he just may have a roster spot.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 5, 2018 12:40:40 GMT -5
Congratulations to Jalen Beeks on his first ML victory.Second pitcher in the Rays bullpen game, pitched 4 excellent innings very efficient 51 pitches allowed only two baserunners (one on an error).His fifth inning was shakier two hits and two runs to leadoff but avoided the big inning with a strikeout and 2 groundballs.Huge improvement over his debut. Stuff to watch: he was throwing the four-seam a tic or two harder in that start, and here's the weird thing, he didn't use the cutter at all. Got way more swings and misses in that game than any other without using his alleged best pitch.
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Post by voiceofreason on Aug 5, 2018 13:17:22 GMT -5
For all of you who didn't like this trade or anything in regards to this deal. Drop and give me 10 pushups.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 19, 2018 15:17:36 GMT -5
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Post by sarasoxer on Aug 20, 2018 8:10:17 GMT -5
If a team has 5 good starters, I don't see a change in MO. And how many pitchers would you have to carry? But when I was a kid in the late 50s to the mid 60s and when the Sox starters were thin, I used to argue for a 'reliever game'. Back then tho as we know, the distinction b/t the two was more pronounced, the starter was expected to go long and left in games often while getting tagged, to 'learn how to get out of it' because the relievers were deemed inferior....failed starters. Today the baseball world turns differently. So, in a given circumstance and with an ability to shuttle with the upper minors ..... Very impressed by Beeks' location and stuff...
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Aug 20, 2018 14:04:06 GMT -5
I mean... ok? He doesn't even say that the strategy hasn't worked for the Rays, just that he doesn't think every team is going to start doing it. The Rays still have done a very good job of preventing runs despite a staff composed of Snell and three guys who have never been in my kitchen. Just because a strategy doesn't make sense for every team in the league, doesn't mean it doesn't make sense for any of them. In most sports, people accept this easily, but as soon as someone tries something different in baseball we've gotta have this massive freakout over it. I don't get it.
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