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Post by telson13 on Aug 20, 2018 16:43:30 GMT -5
I mean... ok? He doesn't even say that the strategy hasn't worked for the Rays, just that he doesn't think every team is going to start doing it. The Rays still have done a very good job of preventing runs despite a staff composed of Snell and three guys who have never been in my kitchen. Just because a strategy doesn't make sense for every team in the league, doesn't mean it doesn't make sense for any of them. In most sports, people accept this easily, but as soon as someone tries something different in baseball we've gotta have this massive freakout over it. I don't get it. Omg, yes.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Sept 15, 2018 13:46:46 GMT -5
Required viewing: Pedro on what he worked with Eovaldi on recently:
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Post by patford on Sept 15, 2018 17:48:40 GMT -5
Required viewing: Pedro on what he worked with Eovaldi on recently: Trust the man. Just compare his results to Joe Kelly's. Pedro knows what he is talking about.
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Post by telson13 on Sept 16, 2018 0:07:24 GMT -5
Required viewing: Pedro on what he worked with Eovaldi on recently: Trust the man. Just compare his results to Joe Kelly's. Pedro knows what he is talking about. Seriously. He’s such a bright, entertaining guy. And, a fantastic communicator. He articulates concepts exceptionally well. It’s interesting too, that Eovaldi’s issue reminds me of Anthony Ranaudo, who was so stiff and upright. It makes a lot of sense that getting that knee flexed, and bringing the release point forward and closer to the pitcher’s body, would both improve command and effective velocity. If anyone can unlock Eovaldi’s potential, it’s not going to be in actual velocity, but in *effective* velocity and deception.
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Post by sarasoxer on Sept 16, 2018 6:00:51 GMT -5
Has Eovaldi's spin rate increased since the tutoring?
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Post by orion09 on Sept 16, 2018 23:27:19 GMT -5
Has Eovaldi's spin rate increased since the tutoring? Not appreciably. 4FB avg spin rate was 2157 RPM in the 5 games before Pedrovention vs 2166 in the 3 games after. His average 4FB velocity did go up though, from 97.0 to 97.7, and perceived velocity (measuring velocity + extension, which is what Pedro was interested in) from 96.4 to 97.3.
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Post by patford on Sept 17, 2018 22:09:27 GMT -5
There is no doubt in my mind Pedro's observations are accurate and his advice valuable. It is still up to the player to incorporate the coaching into repeatable action. Recall it took David Price some time to work through his problems. And there are some pitchers who know what they are doing wrong and simply can't do anything about it.
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Post by telson13 on Sept 17, 2018 22:57:54 GMT -5
There is no doubt in my mind Pedro's observations are accurate and his advice valuable. It is still up to the player to incorporate the coaching into repeatable action. Recall it took David Price some time to work through his problems. And there are some pitchers who know what they are doing wrong and simply can't do anything about it. That effective velo difference isn’t anything to sneeze at. It’s not huge, but it’s something. I think there’s more there and getting better extension, even just 6” more, would make a real difference. I also think that command (vs control) would be helped significantly by bending the plant leg knee. That way, the body’s natural proprioceptive balancing mechanisms dampen lateral movement, which you really can’t do on a straight leg (basically, small muscle adjustments are made throughout the lower limb, and in particular the thigh when it’s bent, versus relying on the calf and especially foot for straight-leg, where the muscles are much smaller and require substantially more force because the leverage is almost non-existent). Idk if Eovaldi can really significantly change that so quickly, but any bit will help. And he could make real strides in the off-season.
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Post by Smittyw on Oct 9, 2018 7:43:50 GMT -5
How many outs will Eovaldi record in the playoffs? Just a disgusting trade even if you think Beeks is not a good pitcher. Is he going to start in the playoffs? Yes.
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Post by mandelbro on Oct 28, 2018 9:55:18 GMT -5
@chron_MattYoung Check out Nathan Eovaldi’s teammates there to pick him up as he leaves the field after giving up the walkoff.
"I feel terrible. I feel terrible for Nate," Kinsler said. "I feel like I let the team down right there." Eovaldi added, "He just owned up to me. He apologized to me. And I feel like he has nothing to apologize for. We're a team. I know he's got my back and I've got his."
@buster_ESPN Alex Cora called a team meeting right after Game 3 ended, and talked about the epic effort, and how proud he was of his players -- singling out Nathan Eovaldi, who got a standing ovation from teammates. David Price stayed with Eovaldi postgame, on the bus.
“That was the most incredible pitching performance I’ve even seen,” Game 3 starter Rick Porcello said after the game, via WEEi’s Rob Bradford. “I actually, after the game was over I started crying because that was — I mean, he’s grinding. Every pitch. He literally gave everything he had on every single pitch and it was special. It was a lot of fun to watch. That’s the epitome of reaching down deep and I don’t know. I’m really proud of him. I’m proud of the way our guys battled tonight. We came up one run short. So be it. We’ll be back tomorrow.”
@jmastrodonato Joe Kelly: “I woke up this morning sore. Then I thought about Nate.”
@redsoxstats "What Eovaldi did last night was one of the most impressive thing we have ever seen on a baseball field, all of us in uniform we took that and didn't want to let that performance wither away. That was part of tonight." - Holt
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Post by iakovos11 on Oct 28, 2018 10:53:34 GMT -5
This team has great chemistry and love for for each other. I don't think that can be underestimated. I think it's what puts them over the top. The 2004 team had that. The 2013 team had that. I don't remember as much about 2007. It's fun to watch.
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Post by iakovos11 on Oct 28, 2018 10:57:10 GMT -5
Maybe it's the emotion talking (that maybe shouldn't) But I'm paying a premium for Eovaldi this offseason, as long as his medicals check out. Hopefully he's been appreciative of the experience and his teammates support and would prefer to sign here, too.
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Post by Guidas on Oct 28, 2018 11:11:34 GMT -5
Maybe it's the emotion talking (that maybe shouldn't) But I'm paying a premium for Eovaldi this offseason, as long as his medicals check out. Hopefully he's been appreciative of the experience and his teammates support and would prefer to sign here, too. Yeah I'm thinking 4 years at $20M a year with a team option for a 5th year may get it done. Although no doubt NYY will be lurking. Can't let him get to free agency if you want him.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 28, 2018 11:14:47 GMT -5
As much as Eovaldi has become a hero, I have to wonder what price he'll pay for the workload next year.
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Post by terriblehondo on Oct 28, 2018 11:16:22 GMT -5
I was just wondering how everyone who didn't like this trade feels now? Would you still not make the trade of Beeks for Nathan or with the way he has pitched in the playoffs would you do it.
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Post by patford on Oct 28, 2018 11:40:02 GMT -5
I was just wondering how everyone who didn't like this trade feels now? Would you still not make the trade of Beeks for Nathan or with the way he has pitched in the playoffs would you do it. I was pretty excited about Beeks until I saw him pitch. He had decent stats with the Rays but always looked like he was on the edge of getting blown up. His stuff just didn't have nearly as much swing and miss in MLB as it had at AAA.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 28, 2018 12:11:44 GMT -5
Maybe it's the emotion talking (that maybe shouldn't) But I'm paying a premium for Eovaldi this offseason, as long as his medicals check out. Hopefully he's been appreciative of the experience and his teammates support and would prefer to sign here, too. Yeah I'm thinking 4 years at $20M a year with a team option for a 5th year may get it done. Although no doubt NYY will be lurking. Can't let him get to free agency if you want him. Well that escalated quickly. Be careful paying for a great post season without a great regular season to back it up.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 28, 2018 12:12:16 GMT -5
I was just wondering how everyone who didn't like this trade feels now? Would you still not make the trade of Beeks for Nathan or with the way he has pitched in the playoffs would you do it. Were there that many people who didn’t like the trade?
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Post by terriblehondo on Oct 28, 2018 12:19:07 GMT -5
I was just wondering how everyone who didn't like this trade feels now? Would you still not make the trade of Beeks for Nathan or with the way he has pitched in the playoffs would you do it. Were there that many people who didn’t like the trade? I thought there were quite a few that did not like trading a cheap pitcher for a rental. Also the DD is destroying the farm system thing. I was just wondering if the opinions have changed or if they still would want to keep control of what Beeks might become.
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Post by jimed14 on Oct 28, 2018 15:57:26 GMT -5
Were there that many people who didn’t like the trade? I thought there were quite a few that did not like trading a cheap pitcher for a rental. Also the DD is destroying the farm system thing. I was just wondering if the opinions have changed or if they still would want to keep control of what Beeks might become. Gee I wonder.
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Post by rjp313jr on Oct 28, 2018 16:04:04 GMT -5
I thought there were quite a few that did not like trading a cheap pitcher for a rental. Also the DD is destroying the farm system thing. I was just wondering if the opinions have changed or if they still would want to keep control of what Beeks might become. Gee I wonder. Some people are pretty stubborn so there’s gotta be one hanging onto his take
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Post by marrcus on Oct 28, 2018 16:35:12 GMT -5
Not much of a choice really. Either you do or you face him in the Div. or with another money-team that he feels comfortable with.
Cashman has finished second now three times and I'm sure he's more than willing to play the zero-sum game with RS in the off-season.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Oct 28, 2018 17:29:31 GMT -5
Not much of a choice really. Either you do or you face him in the Div. or with another money-team that he feels comfortable with. Cashman has finished second now three times and I'm sure he's more than willing to play the zero-sum game with RS in the off-season. Sure there is! He won't go to Cleveland, likely not the Astros, so your talking the Yankees, other AL teams I don't really worry about or the NL. Chances are you don't face him again. It really comes down to what you think about him going forward and his health. He's had great stuff his entire career, yet he's struggled almost like Joe Kelly and he's been injured a lot. Certainly not a no brainer if were talking about 20 million a year for 4 years plus an option year like was suggested. Why were at it, Kelly gets closer money because we don't want to face him either. Those guys will get paid by someone, but it doesn't have to be us. We don't have to have Evoldi back, more like we'd like to have him back.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Oct 28, 2018 21:04:23 GMT -5
Fair enough if he can be a top-3 starter in the rotation, otherwise what is the point? He's never been a reliever. It's totally within the realm of believability that Eovaldi could be a top three guy in this rotation come October, OR that he could transition to a relief role, OR that he could be highly effective as a swingman/piggyback type. You think Beeks is up for any of those roles? Or he could do all three and pitch so well that it makes Rich Porcello cry.
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Post by James Dunne on Oct 28, 2018 21:22:18 GMT -5
I was just wondering how everyone who didn't like this trade feels now? Would you still not make the trade of Beeks for Nathan or with the way he has pitched in the playoffs would you do it. Of course I like it! For a rental, especially a pitcher rental, a LOT of things have to go well, including a lot of things that have nothing to do with that player you are renting. But they all went right!
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