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Red Sox acquire RHP Nate Eovaldi from TB for Jalen Beeks
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 25, 2018 11:24:20 GMT -5
Retweeted Adam Kaufman (@adammkaufman):
Nathan Eovaldi got lit up for 8 runs in Minnesota July 13, but he's allowed a total of 3 runs in his other 4 starts since June 26. #RedSox
Also, isn't Eovaldi hitting 100 again on the gun? Maybe he just needed a few starts to shake off the rust of not pitching in over a year?
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Post by ponch73 on Jul 25, 2018 11:25:02 GMT -5
How many outs will Eovaldi record in the playoffs? Just a disgusting trade even if you think Beeks is not a good pitcher. A recent tweet from Buster Olney that I can't embed properly ... "Red Sox get Nathan Eovaldi while knowing they may well face some great right-handed hitters in the fall -- Altuve, Springer, Correa, Bregman, Judge, Stanton, Cruz, etc. RH hitters have batted .207 against Eovaldi 2 walks, 29 strikeouts in 120 plate appearances." P.S. Count me as being in the camp that thinks Beeks is not a good pitcher (or not likely to be with the Red Sox). The Rays are pitcher-whisperers, after all.
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Post by klostrophobic on Jul 25, 2018 11:27:46 GMT -5
How many outs will Eovaldi record in the playoffs? Just a disgusting trade even if you think Beeks is not a good pitcher. A recent tweet from Buster Olney that I can't embed properly ... "Red Sox get Nathan Eovaldi while knowing they may well face some great right-handed hitters in the fall -- Altuve, Springer, Correa, Bregman, Judge, Stanton, Cruz, etc. RH hitters have batted .207 against Eovaldi 2 walks, 29 strikeouts in 120 plate appearances." Fair enough if he can be a top-3 starter in the rotation, otherwise what is the point? He's never been a reliever.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 25, 2018 11:28:37 GMT -5
Retweeted Adam Kaufman (@adammkaufman): Nathan Eovaldi got lit up for 8 runs in Minnesota July 13, but he's allowed a total of 3 runs in his other 4 starts since June 26. #RedSox Also, isn't Eovaldi hitting 100 again on the gun? Maybe he just needed a few starts to shake off the rust of not pitching in over a year? Yeah but what's his K rate in AAA?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 25, 2018 11:29:15 GMT -5
Also, any thoughts the Red Sox might see him as the Pomeranz replacement moving forward? Understand he's a free agent, but he is probably looking at, or slightly under, what Pomeranz is currently making.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jul 25, 2018 11:29:21 GMT -5
I am actually bummed, i used to bust my MFY friends when Eovaldi because he threw gas, but I thought he was average. Now I am set up for the same
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 25, 2018 11:31:51 GMT -5
Dombrowski, destroyer of farm systems. God this team will be awful in 3 years.If that's actually true, that's all the more reason to go all in right now. What, you need Beeks around so you can win 79 games instead of 78 three years from now? It's more like we'll have to watch someone like Bartolo Colon pitching every 5 games instead of someone with possible upside.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 25, 2018 11:34:00 GMT -5
Definitely not a fan of this. Eovaldi is not good. Would rather they give innings to Beeks. Sorry. Is this a starter move? You're absolutely correct: he's not good. The Rays have pretty much transformed him into a borderline ace, the first two times around the order (.573 OPS allowed).
He's a lot better with the bases empty, so when he gets to the third time around the order, you wait till he puts a guy on base or has to face the #3 hitter or equivalent representing the tying run (he's not great at getting great hitters out) and have Hembree finish the inning. We have the relief depth to limit him to 6 innings.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 25, 2018 11:35:06 GMT -5
If that's actually true, that's all the more reason to go all in right now. What, you need Beeks around so you can win 79 games instead of 78 three years from now? It's more like we'll have to watch someone like Bartolo Colon pitching every 5 games instead of someone with possible upside. So what? The team's mediocre long-term prognosis makes valuing present value over future more sensible, not less. Those future marginal wins are worthless if the team is bad.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 25, 2018 11:35:25 GMT -5
Dombrowski, destroyer of farm systems. God this team will be awful in 3 years.If that's actually true, that's all the more reason to go all in right now. What, you need Beeks around so you can win 79 games instead of 78 three years from now? This is a great point. I have said before I think we are going to have to rebuild at least to some extent after the 2019 season. Go for it hard in 2018 and 2019 then trade what what we have left after that and rebuild around Benintendi and Devers.
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Post by pedroiaesque on Jul 25, 2018 11:38:21 GMT -5
So it won't be long before the Red Sox will be back to the Kyle Kendricks and Aaron Cook type of spot starts that require 40 man moves for every game they pitch in. I was definitely intrigued by what Beeks could become. I wish him the best in TB, except when he's facing the Sox. As for the spot starter question, I think it's a bit misleading to focus on the lack of starter depth in AAA. The Sox are carrying two swingmen right now in Johnson and Velazquez who they have shown can move into the rotation when needed. Granted, they will only eat 4-5 inning in the beginning, but a lot of the AAAA starters that could fill in wouldn't do much more (if even as much as Johnson or Velazquez).
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 25, 2018 11:39:06 GMT -5
A recent tweet from Buster Olney that I can't embed properly ... "Red Sox get Nathan Eovaldi while knowing they may well face some great right-handed hitters in the fall -- Altuve, Springer, Correa, Bregman, Judge, Stanton, Cruz, etc. RH hitters have batted .207 against Eovaldi 2 walks, 29 strikeouts in 120 plate appearances." Fair enough if he can be a top-3 starter in the rotation, otherwise what is the point? He's never been a reliever. It's totally within the realm of believability that Eovaldi could be a top three guy in this rotation come October, OR that he could transition to a relief role, OR that he could be highly effective as a swingman/piggyback type. You think Beeks is up for any of those roles?
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 25, 2018 11:40:11 GMT -5
It's more like we'll have to watch someone like Bartolo Colon pitching every 5 games instead of someone with possible upside. So what? The team's mediocre long-term prognosis makes valuing present value over future more sensible, not less. Those future marginal wins are worthless if the team is bad. Well, I can watch bad Red Sox teams if they're young. I won't waste my time watching Bartolo Colon.
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Post by ianrs on Jul 25, 2018 11:40:30 GMT -5
Dombrowski, destroyer of farm systems. God this team will be awful in 3 years.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 25, 2018 11:41:17 GMT -5
I want to urge everyone who thinks Eovaldi sucks based on your memory of him with NY to read this article. Take a minute to see what he's done this year and read this article to get an understanding of the changes he's made that may underlie his recent success.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 25, 2018 11:41:27 GMT -5
How many outs will Eovaldi record in the playoffs? Just a disgusting trade even if you think Beeks is not a good pitcher. Is he going to start in the playoffs? Right now he projects as a better #3 than anyone the Yankees have. You could see him slotting ahead of Porcello, in fact.
He's held playoff-caliber lineups to a .193 / .228 / .345 line the first two times around the lineup, which is all he'll need to do in the post-season.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 25, 2018 11:42:37 GMT -5
I want to urge everyone who thinks Eovaldi sucks based on your memory of him with NY to read this article. Take a minute to see what he's done this year and read this article to get an understanding of the changes he's made that may underlie his recent success. I did read that but then I also looked at the home runs and home/road splits.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 25, 2018 11:44:13 GMT -5
If that's actually true, that's all the more reason to go all in right now. What, you need Beeks around so you can win 79 games instead of 78 three years from now? It's more like we'll have to watch someone like Bartolo Colon pitching every 5 games instead of someone with possible upside. Bartolo Colon (the old-ass Bartolo Colon) IS Beeks' upside.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 25, 2018 11:45:16 GMT -5
So what? The team's mediocre long-term prognosis makes valuing present value over future more sensible, not less. Those future marginal wins are worthless if the team is bad. Well, I can watch bad Red Sox teams if they're young. I won't waste my time watching Bartolo Colon. I think its more likely that if they enter a rebuild phase, they'll have plenty of young arms once they make their sell trades, they just won't have the star power they do now.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 25, 2018 11:46:56 GMT -5
It's more like we'll have to watch someone like Bartolo Colon pitching every 5 games instead of someone with possible upside. Bartolo Colon IS Beeks' upside. I disagree and since we don't know the future, that's all that can be said.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 25, 2018 11:48:12 GMT -5
I want to urge everyone who thinks Eovaldi sucks based on your memory of him with NY to read this article. Take a minute to see what he's done this year and read this article to get an understanding of the changes he's made that may underlie his recent success. I did read that but then I also looked at the home runs and home/road splits.Oh ok so like less important stats but ones that are more in line with your pre-existing biases. Solid analysis. Bartolo Colon IS Beeks' upside. I disagree and since we don't know the future, that's all that can be said.Shut down the forum then, I guess.
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Post by ianrs on Jul 25, 2018 11:51:03 GMT -5
Dombrowski, destroyer of farm systems. God this team will be awful in 3 years.If that's actually true, that's all the more reason to go all in right now. What, you need Beeks around so you can win 79 games instead of 78 three years from now? Actually, thats a good point. I'm liking the angle of Eovaldi's toughness on RHB as well, given the heavy LHP SP currently on the team.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 25, 2018 11:51:19 GMT -5
I did read that but then I also looked at the home runs and home/road splits.Oh ok so like less important stats but ones that are more in line with your pre-existing biases. Solid analysis. Everyone has bias once they decide they like or dislike something, including you. I'm not sure how Eovaldi's HR problem is going to disappear moving from Tampa to Boston. And his home stats in TB are far better than his road stats. If you think that means nothing, then go ahead and let your bias decide that.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 25, 2018 11:51:32 GMT -5
Dombrowski does have a history of acquiring starters right on the verge of breaking out... Well, this would be just after, while the Yankees (among others) were asleep at the wheel. But great point in general. DDo is what he is. He's a GM that prioritizes winning now over the long term, and hence the worst guy to be evaluated on a website devoted to dreaming about the latter. But his track record as a judge of talent is tremendous. I was one of the biggest Espinoza fans on the board, and I loved the Pomeranz trade. I was one of the bigger Beeks fans on the board, and I'm ecstatic about this one.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 25, 2018 11:57:45 GMT -5
Ian made a good point about Red Sox pitching development.
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