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Post by soxfan50 on Jul 30, 2018 23:00:06 GMT -5
I like the Kinsler trade a lot. They have just acquired a major upgrade defensively at 2nd base, and makes even more sense, if they acquire a groundout stud reliever.
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Post by soxfan06 on Jul 30, 2018 23:00:29 GMT -5
Questionable command and high leverage don't go hand and hand together. Sorry, not buying it and clearly neither was the Sox front office. He was quickly passed by Lakins and would have been quickly passed by Feltman. I don't disagree that Feltman and Lakins are about to pass him, but that still doesn't mean Buttrey can't figure it out soon. Again, I am happy with Kinsler. Big upgrade at least defensively. It's not that Buttrey can't figure it out. It's that the 1% chance that he becomes some high level, high leverage MLB reliever was not worth holding onto when you can get someone who will actually help try to win it all this year.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 30, 2018 23:00:50 GMT -5
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 30, 2018 23:00:52 GMT -5
Just for the fun of it, when Jarez was picked in the draft, it was somewhat considered to be a move against the Yankees because the Yankees wanted him next. He's a product of the Steinbrenner baseball camp. After that, the Yankees stopped letting other team scouts into the camp.
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Post by bosox on Jul 30, 2018 23:01:55 GMT -5
Rosenthal is reporting the Angels are paying 1.8 mil of the remaining 3.6 mil of Kinsler's contract. Link
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Jul 30, 2018 23:03:42 GMT -5
We’re still good.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 30, 2018 23:04:34 GMT -5
I don't disagree that Feltman and Lakins are about to pass him, but that still doesn't mean Buttrey can't figure it out soon. Again, I am happy with Kinsler. Big upgrade at least defensively. It's not that Buttrey can't figure it out. It's that the 1% chance that he becomes some high level, high leverage MLB reliever was not worth holding onto when you can get someone who will actually help try to win it all this year. I agree to definitely disagree about the percentages there. I don't disagree that giving up Buttrey overall is a big loss. Dombrowski isn't about value.
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Post by ortiz34 on Jul 30, 2018 23:05:05 GMT -5
Makes me feel better about this move
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Post by mredsox89 on Jul 30, 2018 23:05:20 GMT -5
They're now going over $237M this year barring something crazy/weird So at this point, anyone on the market is now available, and the Sox can take the entire salary to diminish what they have to move in prospects They're getting money back, have to assume it's enough to keep them under $237M which would be about $2.5-3M. Otherwise why bother with getting cash back at all? Yea, that hadn't been reported yet. Also weird given how whatever the major publication it was that posted a couple days ago (?) that they were already over $237.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 30, 2018 23:07:22 GMT -5
They're now going over $237M this year barring something crazy/weird So at this point, anyone on the market is now available, and the Sox can take the entire salary to diminish what they have to move in prospects They're getting money back, have to assume it's enough to keep them under $237M which would be about $2.5-3M. Otherwise why bother with getting cash back at all? I'm wondering the same thing. I keep hearing that they're over although I've also heard they were at 235 million, so it's hard to know what's correct. But why get cash? They did that in the Pearce deal as well. They got Eovaldi who cost very little. Actually the cash in the Pearce deal covered the expense of Eovaldi. So it would also explain why the Sox and Rangers couldn't match up for Beltre. What do they gain by giving Beltre to the Sox along with cash? Didn't sound like the Sox had a player that they and Texas could agree on. If they're trying to stay under then any expensive reliever like a Brad Ziegler for instance can't happen, so they'd have to get a cost controlled reliever but teams are probably demanding Houck and Mata, perhaps Groome, so they're unwilling to meet the talent price. They may well be done as Dombrowski said. I think I believe him.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 30, 2018 23:07:27 GMT -5
It's really confusing and hard to keep up with the Sox payroll these days.
There's been 5-7 reports contradicting themselves that they are over or under.
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jul 30, 2018 23:07:48 GMT -5
They're getting money back, have to assume it's enough to keep them under $237M which would be about $2.5-3M. Otherwise why bother with getting cash back at all? Yea, that hadn't been reported yet. Also weird given how whatever the major publication it was that posted a couple days ago (?) that they were already over $237. Nbc I believe
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Post by prangerx on Jul 30, 2018 23:09:16 GMT -5
Will Nunez or Holt get moved? Seems like we are getting crowded in the middle infield. Not that it isn't a good problem to have.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 30, 2018 23:09:18 GMT -5
he says this after every move... Then makes a move an hour later
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Post by bluechip on Jul 30, 2018 23:10:03 GMT -5
They're getting money back, have to assume it's enough to keep them under $237M which would be about $2.5-3M. Otherwise why bother with getting cash back at all? Yea, that hadn't been reported yet. Also weird given how whatever the major publication it was that posted a couple days ago (?) that they were already over $237. I’m going to assume the Red Sox’s cap analysts in the front office have the cap figures correct and that they know they’re under the cap.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 30, 2018 23:12:05 GMT -5
I don't see how this benefits the Sox though? Unless there's a bid trade coming for a reliever. means another trade is afoot It really doesn't. Cuevas, Haley, and Walden are on the 40-man. There was no 40-man impediment to making a trade. They made a deal. They happened to give up more 40-man players than they received. That's it really.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 30, 2018 23:12:30 GMT -5
he says this after every move... Then makes a move an hour later I think he's telling the truth. I think that unless a team meets him on his terms there's no deal. And seeing how important staying under the 237 figure is I don't think the Sox get any rental relievers and unless things change they probably won't get the cost controlled relievers unless those teams lower their demands. If they don't, there are no other deals. If they do, then surprise here it is. Looking around at what cost controlled relievers really cost in deals, I'm inclined to think the Sox are done.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 30, 2018 23:14:03 GMT -5
Yea, that hadn't been reported yet. Also weird given how whatever the major publication it was that posted a couple days ago (?) that they were already over $237. I’m going to assume the Red Sox’s cap analysts in the front office have the cap figures correct and that they know they’re under the cap. Yeah you kind of have to. I'm sick of following if the Sox are under it or not. No one knows but the Sox and what they actually tells us when it comes to this.
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Post by mredsox89 on Jul 30, 2018 23:15:21 GMT -5
Yea, that hadn't been reported yet. Also weird given how whatever the major publication it was that posted a couple days ago (?) that they were already over $237. I’m going to assume the Red Sox’s cap analysts in the front office have the cap figures correct and that they know they’re under the cap. Oh, I totally agree, don't get me wrong. It's just seemed like they've been on the apparent verge of going over for like three straight deals. Assuming this doesn't put them over, it certainly puts them right on the edge, with little to no room for anything if need be come 8/31. We'll see
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Post by juanpena on Jul 30, 2018 23:16:44 GMT -5
The ceiling of Buttrey is as a high-leverage guy. But a more realistic, and still good, outcome for him would be Ryan Brasier. And the Sox already have a Ryan Brasier, with options and years of team control.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jul 30, 2018 23:17:02 GMT -5
really like it. He's been hitting well for a while now and still has a low babip on the season. Huge defensive upgrade, for two relief prospects. What's not to like?
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Post by wildsox on Jul 30, 2018 23:18:40 GMT -5
I’m very pleased with the trade. A pair of 25 year old relief prospects doesn’t hurt. We still have Lakins waiting for a chance. I was worried we’d have to move someone like Chatham/Ockimey to upgrade
Kinsler’s defense alone is enough to be excited. We’ve lost many outs at 2nd this year.
Also, give DD credit including the Eovaldi trade too. Both good trades.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 30, 2018 23:18:47 GMT -5
I've been a Kinsler fan since his rookie year, always liked him. His attitude reminds me of Utley minus the dirty player part. That's just perception though, I've never been his teammate.
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Post by cdj on Jul 30, 2018 23:19:07 GMT -5
Absolute no brainer of a trade imo
Good work dombrowski
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jul 30, 2018 23:19:10 GMT -5
It's not that Buttrey can't figure it out. It's that the 1% chance that he becomes some high level, high leverage MLB reliever was not worth holding onto when you can get someone who will actually help try to win it all this year. I agree to definitely disagree about the percentages there. I don't disagree that giving up Buttrey overall is a big loss. Dombrowski isn't about value. Isn't about value? Considering he got a player worth 2.5 bwar and 1.8 million, this is a great value. Have you seen what other guys cost? I just don't get your take about value, you can't get a 2.5 war player and 1.8 million for nothing.
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