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Red Sox acq. Ian Kinsler for Ty Buttrey and Williams Jerez
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 31, 2018 14:33:32 GMT -5
When will we know for sure if we stayed under the cap? NBC said we were over it on sunday. I'm pretty sure that the payroll that counts towards the CBT is not determined until the end of the season.
I assume that players called up in September get MLB minimum, and that their salary counts against the cap. Each guy called up is an approximate $80K hit. Of the currently optioned players, Workman is the only guy guaranteed to be recalled. Adding Poyner or Scott would be desirable. But they could live without seemingly obvious guys like Lin, Travis, and (a bit less obviously) the second LHR and Marcus Walden, if they needed to, in order to stay under the cap. My estimate that they're still $200K under is based on recalling a typical amount of guys, and they won't be. Oh, and another note -- freeing up the 40-man roster spot might actually come in useful, because Austin Maddox is on the 60-day and says he hopes to pitch this year. He counts against the cap at MLB minimum rate, and they won't want to burn an option on him, so he can be added to the MLB roster in September without changing their cap hit.
It also leaves a slot for a September call up for Feltman. I doubt it but it's not a zero percent proposition. |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 31, 2018 14:49:37 GMT -5
With Kinsler, Swihart hopefully getting more opportunities, and Bradley picking thing up, their lineup is really lengthened. Betts Benni JDM Moreland/Pierce Xander Devers/Nunez Kinsler Swihart Bradley That's a tough lineup, especially if Devers hits. I'd bat Kinsler 6th. |
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Post by voiceofreason on Jul 31, 2018 15:47:37 GMT -5
Just my opinion but I think Kinsler is going to be pointed at as a big contributor for the sox over the next few months, his bat and plate presence is going to be big. I said the same about Eovoldi before his first start and if he isn't starting cause Erod is back I bet he would be dominant out of the pen. These guys could put the Sox over the top come playoff time, perfect acquisitions.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 31, 2018 17:15:10 GMT -5
Kinsler will wear #5. So, Lin not only gets sent to AAA, he also loses his number. I bet Kinsler doesn't even buy him the traditional steak dinner. I can't help but think about Nomar when I hear Red Sox #5 as if it is really his number. Hard to imagine that number belonging to somebody else. I'm sure Kinsler in his brief time here will do the number proud. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 31, 2018 17:16:44 GMT -5
With Kinsler, Swihart hopefully getting more opportunities, and Bradley picking thing up, their lineup is really lengthened. Betts Benni JDM Moreland/Pierce Xander Devers/Nunez Kinsler Swihart Bradley That's a tough lineup, especially if Devers hits. That lineup looks so much better when you have Swihart there as opposed to Leon or Vazquez. And Kinsler really helps lengthen the lineup. |
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Post by telson13 on Jul 31, 2018 22:05:46 GMT -5
I’m pretty disappointed to see both Buttrey and Jerez go, because I think both have 7th-8th inning potential. Jerez in particular has seen his velo jump the more he’s pitched, and they really could use a power LH. That said, at this point it’s just potential, and they do have both Lakins and hopefully Feltman moving up quickly and flashing late-game stuff. Kinsler is a terrific addition. His defense will really, *really* help solidify the INF, and it’s probablly going to be particularly beneficial in the postseason. Beyond that, I think he’s got a little offensive upside to show, particularly in Fenway where low-EV RH guys can see a bit of a bump in doubles and fewer outs. That he makes contact and does take a few walks helps, too. It’s not flashy, but this is the sort of move (and player...think Brosius on those great 90s NY teams) that shores up a major weakness and is basically the equivalent of upgrading an average regular with an All-Star.
Kudos to Dombrowski for three very astute moves perfectly suited for this roster in Pearce, Eovaldi, and Kinsler (and 4, for the non-trade of Swihart). We could call it 5 for picking up Brasier, too. Lots of very solid, cost-effective depth moves. That’s championship stuff.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 31, 2018 22:24:02 GMT -5
Kinsler will wear #5. So, Lin not only gets sent to AAA, he also loses his number. I bet Kinsler doesn't even buy him the traditional steak dinner. I can't help but think about Nomar when I hear Red Sox #5 as if it is really his number. Hard to imagine that number belonging to somebody else. I'm sure Kinsler in his brief time here will do the number proud. Natural reaction, I think of Dewey when I see Price with #24. |
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Post by rjp313jr on Aug 1, 2018 7:39:51 GMT -5
Kinsler will wear #5. So, Lin not only gets sent to AAA, he also loses his number. I bet Kinsler doesn't even buy him the traditional steak dinner. I can't help but think about Nomar when I hear Red Sox #5 as if it is really his number. Hard to imagine that number belonging to somebody else. I'm sure Kinsler in his brief time here will do the number proud. Hopefully he won’t turn into a sulking baby sitting alone in the dugout as his team stands on the top step of the dugout during a battle against the Yankees. Unfortunately, that image is burned into my memory just the same as his line drives sprayed around the field. |
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Post by bruinsfan94 on Aug 1, 2018 13:16:23 GMT -5
Ian Kinsler has been my favorite player in baseball since he broke in as Ranger.I've never in my life been more excited for the Red Sox to get someone. I know he likely won't be back but I hope he gets his ring now, after losing as a Ranger twice. Seeing as how we have PD, I never thought this would happen. I know it's unlikely but would be awesome if they got to play together in the playoffs. Would make the team so much stronger if he's healthy. I think anyone who is truly disappointed here should really think about it, those two guys may and hopefully will turn into good pieces for the Angels, but in the heat of a race like this where we may have our best chance to win another WS this decade, and we didn't have to give up any prospects of real value. Beeks was nice but it would not be the best case for us to have him as our 5th starter long term. We have Price and Erod under contract long term and I'm sure DD will do everything to bring back Sale. We still have Porcello, Wright, Johnson, and Hector V, and DD thankfully kept the few high end pieces we have. I belive DD acutally that the Red Sox could have pretty much gotten anyone they wanted or needed( beside players that would 100% top tier prospects like a Degrom or someone on that level, and few trades like that are made by any teams during the course of a year, thats why they are called blockbusters.). Houck, Mata, Groome, Chavis, Casias, maybe Decker,Feltman, Dalbac and a few others would all be of huge interest to any team in baseball. The teams that have the best prospects like SD, CWS, Tigers, etc are usually not the kind to make huge buying moves before the deadline, and those teams and teams like that, while stacked, would still love players like that because most don't work out, that is why you usually trade one or two MLB players for multiple prospects.
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Post by telson13 on Aug 1, 2018 13:38:39 GMT -5
Ian Kinsler has been my favorite player in baseball since he broke in as Ranger.I've never in my life been more excited for the Red Sox to get someone. I know he likely won't be back but I hope he gets his ring now, after losing as a Ranger twice. Seeing as how we have PD, I never thought this would happen. I know it's unlikely but would be awesome if they got to play together in the playoffs. Would make the team so much stronger if he's healthy. I think anyone who is truly disappointed here should really think about it, those two guys may and hopefully will turn into good pieces for the Angels, but in the heat of a race like this where we may have our best chance to win another WS this decade, and we didn't have to give up any prospects of real value. Beeks was nice but it would not be the best case for us to have him as our 5th starter long term. We have Price and Erod under contract long term and I'm sure DD will do everything to bring back Sale. We still have Porcello, Wright, Johnson, and Hector V, and DD thankfully kept the few high end pieces we have. I belive DD acutally that the Red Sox could have pretty much gotten anyone they wanted or needed( beside players that would 100% top tier prospects like a Degrom or someone on that level, and few trades like that are made by any teams during the course of a year, thats why they are called blockbusters.). Houck, Mata, Groome, Chavis, Casias, maybe Decker,Feltman, Dalbac and a few others would all be of huge interest to any team in baseball. The teams that have the best prospects like SD, CWS, Tigers, etc are usually not the kind to make huge buying moves before the deadline, and those teams and teams like that, while stacked, would still love players like that because most don't work out, that is why you usually trade one or two MLB players for multiple prospects. For all of DD’s moves, he never really gave up an integral piece. He traded from depth and using essentially fungible players. They’re all rentals coming back, but none of the players traded was going to help this year, or maybe next either. And none was a big-time, or even significant prospect. I’ll miss all of them, because I like seeing guys blossom in the system, but you’re right. None was so good that they could be counted on to be a major contributor to the MLB club. I generally dislike “go for it” moves because they rarely make much difference. But if you’re gonna go for it, I think this is exactly how it should be done. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 1, 2018 15:52:56 GMT -5
Ian Kinsler has been my favorite player in baseball since he broke in as Ranger.I've never in my life been more excited for the Red Sox to get someone. I know he likely won't be back but I hope he gets his ring now, after losing as a Ranger twice. Seeing as how we have PD, I never thought this would happen. I know it's unlikely but would be awesome if they got to play together in the playoffs. Would make the team so much stronger if he's healthy. I think anyone who is truly disappointed here should really think about it, those two guys may and hopefully will turn into good pieces for the Angels, but in the heat of a race like this where we may have our best chance to win another WS this decade, and we didn't have to give up any prospects of real value. Beeks was nice but it would not be the best case for us to have him as our 5th starter long term. We have Price and Erod under contract long term and I'm sure DD will do everything to bring back Sale. We still have Porcello, Wright, Johnson, and Hector V, and DD thankfully kept the few high end pieces we have. I belive DD acutally that the Red Sox could have pretty much gotten anyone they wanted or needed( beside players that would 100% top tier prospects like a Degrom or someone on that level, and few trades like that are made by any teams during the course of a year, thats why they are called blockbusters.). Houck, Mata, Groome, Chavis, Casias, maybe Decker,Feltman, Dalbac and a few others would all be of huge interest to any team in baseball. The teams that have the best prospects like SD, CWS, Tigers, etc are usually not the kind to make huge buying moves before the deadline, and those teams and teams like that, while stacked, would still love players like that because most don't work out, that is why you usually trade one or two MLB players for multiple prospects. For all of DD’s moves, he never really gave up an integral piece. He traded from depth and using essentially fungible players. They’re all rentals coming back, but none of the players traded was going to help this year, or maybe next either. And none was a big-time, or even significant prospect. I’ll miss all of them, because I like seeing guys blossom in the system, but you’re right. None was so good that they could be counted on to be a major contributor to the MLB club. I generally dislike “go for it” moves because they rarely make much difference. But if you’re gonna go for it, I think this is exactly how it should be done. True. But I have to admit I'm curious. If the Nats didn't change direction causing the deal to fall through, which players would he have dealt away for Herrera? What caliber? Would he have parted with guys like Shawaryn and/or Hernandez? Who would have went? Dalbec? Chatham? We'll never know, but I'm certainly curious. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Aug 1, 2018 16:14:20 GMT -5
When Kelvin Herrera was traded like 6 weeks before the deadline he was on fire 1.5 bwar in 25.2 innings, in 13.2 innings for Nationals he was worth .2 bwar. So his value went way down, you get like 6 less weeks and he wasn't currently pitching at an elite level. Royals got Blake Perkins, Kelvin Gutierrez, and Yohanse Morel. Now Royals have a system that is rated below ours and those players rank 15, 17, and not in top 30. So you have to just guess what it would cost, but it was going to be way less than the Nationals gave up. So I wouldn't think it would be anyone in our top 15.
Best guess a guy like Lakin and a lower level guy. Heck maybe it was Kelly and a lower level guy. They get a prospect and a Vet. Get some value back, but also shows the player they aren't giving up. I think that makes sense. DD hasn't paid crazy high prices for rental relievers.
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Post by bruinsfan94 on Aug 1, 2018 18:21:00 GMT -5
For all of DD’s moves, he never really gave up an integral piece. He traded from depth and using essentially fungible players. They’re all rentals coming back, but none of the players traded was going to help this year, or maybe next either. And none was a big-time, or even significant prospect. I’ll miss all of them, because I like seeing guys blossom in the system, but you’re right. None was so good that they could be counted on to be a major contributor to the MLB club. I generally dislike “go for it” moves because they rarely make much difference. But if you’re gonna go for it, I think this is exactly how it should be done. True. But I have to admit I'm curious. If the Nats didn't change direction causing the deal to fall through, which players would he have dealt away for Herrera? What caliber? Would he have parted with guys like Shawaryn and/or Hernandez? Who would have went? Dalbec? Chatham? We'll never know, but I'm certainly curious. He has won pretty much every trade he has made early on. The only one that hurts is Shaw. Moncada and Kopach I think will be great, but Sale is Sale. I think a trade probably would have been a top 20 guy and then someone else in the top 30. Maybe CHatham or Larkins and a lesser guy like Brannon, Travis or Reyes. I doubt he gives up anyone like Hernandez, Shawaryn or Hernandez for a rental like that. |
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Post by juanpena on Aug 7, 2018 20:46:01 GMT -5
Jerez called up to the Angels. Good for him!
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Post by soxfan511 on Aug 7, 2018 22:22:04 GMT -5
True. But I have to admit I'm curious. If the Nats didn't change direction causing the deal to fall through, which players would he have dealt away for Herrera? What caliber? Would he have parted with guys like Shawaryn and/or Hernandez? Who would have went? Dalbec? Chatham? We'll never know, but I'm certainly curious. He has won pretty much every trade he has made early on. The only one that hurts is Shaw. Moncada and Kopach I think will be great, but Sale is Sale. I think a trade probably would have been a top 20 guy and then someone else in the top 30. Maybe CHatham or Larkins and a lesser guy like Brannon, Travis or Reyes. I doubt he gives up anyone like Hernandez, Shawaryn or Hernandez for a rental like that. Agreed |
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Post by bluechip on Aug 7, 2018 22:44:29 GMT -5
Jerez called up to the Angels. Good for him! Best of luck to him. Certainly been a long trip. |
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