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Post by Guidas on Apr 16, 2019 15:16:59 GMT -5
Color me confused with the Swihart takes about his bat. We currently have starters with OPS+ of 69, 13, 77, and 0. Our bench minus Swihart is -29, -29, -16, 55, and -100 for the guys that have played. You then have Swihart with an OPS+ of 86. We needed to make some changes, but this wasn't the move that made the most sense. He's been one of your better bats and the only bench guy that has hit so far. Like if he sucked in a few months ok, yet right now is shocking. Like what changed in the last few weeks? The pitchers must’ve gone to Cora en mass and pleaded to get their binky back.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 16, 2019 15:18:23 GMT -5
It's amazing that this board isn't running all 30 teams in baseball. I’d quit my job and do any one of them, but the phone still isn’t ringing.
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 16, 2019 15:22:30 GMT -5
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 16, 2019 15:22:47 GMT -5
Only difference is that no one thought we gave up early on Owens and Anderson. This feels more like trading Reddick before he really got a chance. Trading Shaw because he wouldn't get better type thing. I've seen enough to know Swihart if given playing time is at worst a good backup catcher. You can't expect him to get better when they just don't play him much. So you are right and all the other GMs out there are wrong? Maybe you should apply for the job of running a team, just kiddig of course. Fact is he got a chance, maybe not a great one but I'm guessing Cora and the pitchers are better judge than any of us. If he goes unclaimed you'd have a point, I don't see that happening. I think tons of GMs are on the phone right now about Swihart. Umm basically two weeks, when none of the starters were ready and patch meal bullpen isn't how you should judge any catcher. Frankly this seems like a move to take heat off of Cora for how he hasn't gotten the team ready to play. It wasn't me, I want Sandy Leon, told you Dave! The messed up thing is the starters after now having got some work are going to come around and it's going to make this look smart. When it was all this teams plan that caused it.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 16, 2019 15:24:16 GMT -5
You're right. It is. Dissenting opinions should never be given. After all 30 teams get every decision they make correct as they are all infallible, so who are we peons to actually question a decision? We should just shut this board down and change it to the Red Sox stamp of approval website. That way if some agree with a move or think it's a good move, it becomes meaningless because we're all supposed to agree anyways, and if some disagree, well, why would anybody ever do that? Swihart has always been a lightning rod for opinions with people, for what he can become and others who don't think he'll develop as hoped for. What's wrong with discussing whether people think it's a mistake or the right thing to do? There are plenty of instances where I'm comfortable disagreeing with management. Nunez is bad and shouldn't play. John Ferrell was lousy at managing a bullpen. But you're really confident in your ability to evaluate catchers and catcher defense better than the team? I'm certainly not. I'd feel that way even if the numbers favored Swihart (which they don't). The Vazquez hate is crazy. That's exactly how I feel.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Apr 16, 2019 15:24:20 GMT -5
If it can be done by Swihart, it can be done by Centeno.
Sort of.
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 16, 2019 15:25:24 GMT -5
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 16, 2019 15:26:12 GMT -5
Have you checked Vazquez's batting line the past 2 seasons? There's also a lot to be desired if you watch him day to day defensively. Have you checked Swihart's? You mean Swihart, the guy who had what maybe 220 at bats in 2 seasons?
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Post by Guidas on Apr 16, 2019 15:27:53 GMT -5
Color me confused with the Swihart takes about his bat. We currently have starters with OPS+ of 69, 13, 77, and 0. Our bench minus Swihart is -29, -29, -16, 55, and -100 for the guys that have played. You then have Swihart with an OPS+ of 86. We needed to make some changes, but this wasn't the move that made the most sense. He's been one of your better bats and the only bench guy that has hit so far. Like if he sucked in a few months ok, yet right now is shocking. Like what changed in the last few weeks? The pitchers must’ve gone to Cora en mass and pleaded to get their binky back. So, I’m wrong:
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 16, 2019 15:36:02 GMT -5
There hasn't been a single tweet posted that stated why they made the change and whether it's due to defense, offense, pitch calling, or just to let Swihart get more playing time.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 16, 2019 15:37:45 GMT -5
The pitchers must’ve gone to Cora en mass and pleaded to get their binky back. So, I’m wrong: That is good because he only caught 54 innings. Like if the way our guys were pitching wasn't on them, we need better pitchers. This litterally feels like a Cora vs Dave type thing. Dave wanted Swihart, Cora wanted Leon. Team struggling finally made Dave give in.
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Post by tizzle on Apr 16, 2019 15:41:34 GMT -5
As always with this C situation, it's the Vazquez angle that doesn't make sense to me. I just don't see what it is about him that they think is so special. His defense is lazy, his offense anemic with no hint of much potential to it.
It always seemed like Leon/Swihart was the best plan for the position, and that Vazquez had some trade value. But they have treated Vazquez as the one untouchable of the group. I still don't begin to see why.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Apr 16, 2019 15:42:43 GMT -5
Have you checked Swihart's? You mean Swihart, the guy who had what maybe 220 at bats in 2 seasons? The stats show Vaz career OPS+ of 69, Swihart 82. So it seems rather clear to me when looking at there bats.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 16, 2019 15:46:09 GMT -5
You're right. It is. Dissenting opinions should never be given. After all 30 teams get every decision they make correct as they are all infallible, so who are we peons to actually question a decision? We should just shut this board down and change it to the Red Sox stamp of approval website. That way if some agree with a move or think it's a good move, it becomes meaningless because we're all supposed to agree anyways, and if some disagree, well, why would anybody ever do that? Swihart has always been a lightning rod for opinions with people, for what he can become and others who don't think he'll develop as hoped for. What's wrong with discussing whether people think it's a mistake or the right thing to do? There are plenty of instances where I'm comfortable disagreeing with management. Nunez is bad and shouldn't play. John Ferrell was lousy at managing a bullpen. But you're really confident in your ability to evaluate catchers and catcher defense better than the team? I'm certainly not. I'd feel that way even if the numbers favored Swihart (which they don't). The Vazquez hate is crazy. Read what grandsalami posted - the tweet from Bill Koch, because it's interesting. No, I don't know how to evaluate catcher defense any better than you or anybody else on this board, but apparently the keep/dump Swihart issue is worth debating, because that's exactly what the Red Sox were doing internally. It wasn't a unanimous slam dunk decision. Swihart had his backers and had his detractors within the organizaton. So basically the organization that is better at evaluating the catchers than we are were split among themselves as well. I'm pretty sure there are some within the organization that think the Sox made a mistake today while others think the Red Sox did what they had to do. If they can debate and disagree why can't we?
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Post by jdb on Apr 16, 2019 15:54:03 GMT -5
Does anybody here have an opinion on what the Sox can acquire for Swihart in a deal? I don't think he clears waivers. I think somebody will claim him. The return would probably be marginal. Now the Sox have 3 major league ready (debatable) catchers who are all reputed to be no hit good glove fielders in Leon, Vazquez, and Centeno. So there is no hope offensively for the position at any point in the mid to high minors. It has to be a low level lotto ticket or maybe an older guy who is blocked, right? The Cubs and D Backs are familiar obviously and the D Backs aren’t contending so they could give him the time.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Apr 16, 2019 16:02:08 GMT -5
It's too bad Salvador Perez got hurt this year. He was definitely a improvement over anything we have at catcher right now and he's on a good contract. At least he brings the power and defense.
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Post by huskies15 on Apr 16, 2019 16:15:27 GMT -5
Rooting for Blake to show us he can play if given the chance. Regardless of how you feel about him now, the organization deserves a ton of blame for where his career has ended up.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 16, 2019 17:32:39 GMT -5
I put this squarely on Cora.
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Post by chrisfromnc on Apr 16, 2019 17:42:48 GMT -5
So Dombrowski says the rationale is”We wanted to bring up Leon to handle our pitching staff. He’s really good at it.”
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 16, 2019 17:49:59 GMT -5
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Post by terriblehondo on Apr 16, 2019 17:50:31 GMT -5
I put this squarely on Cora. Don't forget the reason Blake was even on the team last year is Cora said not to DFA him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2019 17:59:25 GMT -5
I put this squarely on Cora. I couldn't agree more. I don't think it's coincidence that Vazquez played 2B for the first time in his life the day before Swihart is DFA'd. If this is, in fact, what happened then this behavior is in Bobby Valentine territory. Break out the fake mustaches, it's going to be a long season. Except for Cora. He's lost this team and if he is actually getting into pissing matches with ownership that spill onto the field then I'm guessing his season ends sometime in July.
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Post by nomar on Apr 16, 2019 18:00:02 GMT -5
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Post by SALNotes on Apr 16, 2019 18:01:24 GMT -5
The Swihart move is shocking, it feels like I've been clamoring for 5 years, for him to get another shot back there. If for no other reason so we can get some offensive production from the position. This feels awfully fast and reactionary but maybe he really can't do the job. Or they just want the premium C defense but then why pick him to begin with???
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Apr 16, 2019 18:05:41 GMT -5
I don't think this a great baseball move, but I agree with others, I don't think the Sox have ever done this guy a favor with the way the developed him.
Hope the guy has a good career going forward.
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