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9/24-9/26 Red Sox vs. Orioles Series Thread
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Post by tnyankee556 on Sept 27, 2018 7:29:04 GMT -5
Don Buddin, the worst shortstop who ever lived, made 35 errors in back to back seasons. They weren't just regular errors. They were the kind with the game on the line. He only kept his job because he was from South Carolina, where Yawkey came from. Mike Higgins, the manager, was also from the South. If you recall, he once ran over a workman on the side of the road and killed him while he was drunk driving. Anyway, when Buddin finally left Boston, he never came back. He knew how much he was hated. Tom Yawkey didn't like Frank Malzone. Why? Because he was from Long Island. Tome Yawkey didn't like Willie Mays. Why? I think you know why.
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Post by tnyankee556 on Sept 27, 2018 7:31:14 GMT -5
Don Buddin, the worst shortstop who ever lived, made 35 errors in back to back seasons. They weren't just regular errors. They were the kind with the game on the line. He only kept his job because he was from South Carolina, where Yawkey came from. Mike Higgins, the manager, was also from the South. If you recall, he once ran over a workman on the side of the road and killed him while he was drunk driving. Anyway, when Buddin finally left Boston, he never came back. He knew how much he was hated. Tom Yawkey didn't like Frank Malzone. Why? Because he was from Long Island. Tome Yawkey didn't like Willie Mays. Why? I think you know why. Tom Yawkey liked Carl Yaztremski who happened to be from Long Island. In fact he treated him like the son he never had. I guess that kills the Long Island theory.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 27, 2018 8:28:43 GMT -5
Plenty of sports today,
Yanks @ 1p m Rockies @ 3p Lester @ 8
Football on Fox tonite
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 27, 2018 8:34:16 GMT -5
The Yankees look like they're going to be playing at home in the wild card game. A win today by the Yankees guarantees it with the tie breaker going to them. In order for Oakland to win home field advantage they would need to win all three games of the year and the Sox sweep the Yankees at home in all 3 games.
Unless Lin sanity keeps coming like a wrecking ball, I don't see it lol.
The NL bores me with their dumb pitchers as hitters rule. It turns me away from that league, so I look at their races from a very far lense.
Just waiting for the playoffs.....zzzzzzzzz
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Sept 27, 2018 9:14:38 GMT -5
Don Buddin, the worst shortstop who ever lived, made 35 errors in back to back seasons. They weren't just regular errors. They were the kind with the game on the line. He only kept his job because he was from South Carolina, where Yawkey came from. Mike Higgins, the manager, was also from the South. If you recall, he once ran over a workman on the side of the road and killed him while he was drunk driving. Anyway, when Buddin finally left Boston, he never came back. He knew how much he was hated. Tom Yawkey didn't like Frank Malzone. Why? Because he was from Long Island. Tome Yawkey didn't like Willie Mays. Why? I think you know why. I was going to comment about the Long Island thing as Yaz was like a son to Yawkey and he's a Long Island guy but I was beaten to the punch on that point. I don't know if Yawkey liked Malzone or not but I do remember there being talk about a bias against Italians - I think Jerry Casale saw it that way, and Malzone was Italian, and not Irish, so...? I don't know if Tom Yawkey liked Willie Mays or not. I do know that Larry Woodall, one of Tom Yawkey's scouts had no interest in waiting out the rain and see Willie Mays play and was racist in expressing his view. I honestly think it's kind of hard to get a firm degree of what Tom Yawkey's views were exactly when it came to race. The fact that the Sox were the last to integrate speaks volumes and is quite obvious, but I think it's more complex than that. I would recommend reading Bill Nowlin's book on Tom Yawkey. It presents a lot of facts and anecdotes about Yawkey who is kind of a mystery man, even now - it's not like there are a ton of books out there about him. The book lets you make up your own mind about him. I've come to a similar view that I think Jim Lonborg espouses. This is my interpretation so I could be totally wrong and anybody else who reads that book might have their own interpretation, one that could be drastically different. And I haven't read the book in a few months so my memories of what I read might be a bit hazy. It sounded like Yawkey was not some outwardly bigoted man, but he was a guy who was not going to be a mover or a shaker and he was not going to be a man who stood up for what was right. He didn't want to rock any boats. The fact that he wasn't willing to stand up and do what was right is a black mark against him, one that can't and never should be removed. Unfortunately, he was hardly alone in that among the lords of baseball at that time. As the Sox started to descend in the 1950s his alcohol issues increased and what was damning was the drinking buddies of his that he surrounded himself with, some that were scouts who were prejudiced, some who he gave the keys to the kingdom, most notably Pinky Higgins, who was an out and out racist and a pox on the history of the Red Sox. Yawkey became very neglectful of the Sox, kind of disillusioned and lost in alcohol. At some point in the 1960s thankfully Dick O'Connell managed to maneuver himself into positions of power and Higgins self-destructed. I think Yawkey got sick at some point, had to dry out, and lost at least 60 pounds. He remained disillusioned with the team, considered moving the Red Sox away, or at least get away from Fenway Park. The team's racial composition finally changed around him. Then 1967 happened and suddenly he was the Red Sox #1 fan. He was suddenly visible for the first time in years after being a baseball hermit for about 20 years. And Dick Williams certainly didn't appreciate Yawkey's presence. He was a Johnny Come Lately in Williams' eyes. During that time Yawkey got to know his team, which of course Williams didn't appreciate. Williams wanted to crack the whip and Yawkey was a soft touch, who liked his players, genuinely, regardless of race. What resonated for me the most in the book was a part in which Reggie Smith was interviewed. Reggie was a product of his time, part of the long overdue civil rights movement, and he had that real talk with Yawkey, about the team's past, etc.. He didn't elaborate fully but my memory of what I read was that he came away genuinely liking Tom Yawkey and he felt the feeling was mutual. And Reggie is a guy who wouldn't put up with any BS, so that's what resonated with me most in the book - Reggie's point of view. Yaz had mentioned a talk he had with Yawkey where Yawkey said, "Don't you think I'd rather have signed Willie Mays than Don Buddin (I think it was Buddin, but I'm not sure)?" I might have the quote inexact but the spirit of the quote is correct. Perhaps Lonborg had it right and Tom Yawkey actually did change with the times and he actually grew as a person. Yawkey was never a trend setter. As times changes, perhaps so did he. Does that excuse things? Hell, no. But it does provide a nuanced glimpse into a guy who was behind the curtain all those years. It was definitely a team that suffered from racism, alcoholism, and cronyism. That's definitely what held this team back. As an aside a couple of examples of alcoholism messing up the club - Tom Yawkey fired Bill Evans, a respected farm director he got made at. He got drunk, called him, and fired him. Evans always felt if he hadn't been home to get the call, Yawkey would have sobered up and he would have still had a job. Others remember the Williams for end of career DiMaggio trade that never happened. Yawkey was smashed when that deal was suggested. Good thing he sobered up there. Cronyism - besides Higgins, etc. How about Cronin forcing a deal of young Pee Wee Reese away because Reese was a threat to his job. Luckily Cronin aged quickly enough soon thereafter he allowed a young SS to come up by the name of Johnny Pesky. If it had been a few years earlier, perhaps Johnny Pesky would have been the one dealt away before his career with Boston started and never would have become Mr. Red Sox. Amazing at some of the things that afflicted the Sox as an organization during those years.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Sept 27, 2018 9:57:21 GMT -5
The Yankees look like they're going to be playing at home in the wild card game. A win today by the Yankees guarantees it with the tie breaker going to them. In order for Oakland to win home field advantage they would need to win all three games of the year and the Sox sweep the Yankees at home in all 3 games. Unless Lin sanity keeps coming like a wrecking ball, I don't see it lol. The NL bores me with their dumb pitchers as hitters rule. It turns me away from that league, so I look at their races from a very far lense. Just waiting for the playoffs.....zzzzzzzzz Yankees magic number is 2, which is enough to get a tie. A tie is all they need.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 27, 2018 12:45:11 GMT -5
Chris Cotillo Verified account
Pitching matchups for Red Sox-Yankees this weekend at Fenway:
FRI: J.A. Happ vs. Brian Johnson SAT: Lance Lynn vs. Nathan Eovaldi SUN: Luis Severino vs. Rick Porcello
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Post by carmenfanzone on Sept 27, 2018 13:41:59 GMT -5
Don Buddin, the worst shortstop who ever lived, made 35 errors in back to back seasons. They weren't just regular errors. They were the kind with the game on the line. He only kept his job because he was from South Carolina, where Yawkey came from. Mike Higgins, the manager, was also from the South. If you recall, he once ran over a workman on the side of the road and killed him while he was drunk driving. Anyway, when Buddin finally left Boston, he never came back. He knew how much he was hated. Tom Yawkey didn't like Frank Malzone. Why? Because he was from Long Island. Tome Yawkey didn't like Willie Mays. Why? I think you know why. Pretty sure that Tom Yawkey was from Detroit, not South Carolina. I think latter in life he owned property in South Carolina and may have even lived there, but he was born and spent at least part of his youth in Detroit.
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Post by radiohix on Sept 27, 2018 14:42:57 GMT -5
CC Sabathia is such a intitled tool!
ADD: I mean is there a player who encapsulate what a MFY player more than this fat POS? He believes that it is his right to have a bigger strike zone than anybody else? He thinks that every umpiring call must go his way? F*** him!
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Sept 27, 2018 16:20:19 GMT -5
CC Sabathia is such a intitled tool! ADD: I mean is there a player who encapsulate what a MFY player more than this fat POS? He believes that it is his right to have a bigger strike zone than anybody else? He thinks that every umpiring call must go his way? F*** him! You get the Gold Star !!!!
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 27, 2018 16:30:01 GMT -5
Chris Cotillo Verified account Pitching matchups for Red Sox-Yankees this weekend at Fenway: FRI: J.A. Happ vs. Brian Johnson SAT: Lance Lynn vs. Nathan Eovaldi SUN: Luis Severino vs. Rick Porcello They are lining up Happ for that wildcard game. The Sox will get Severino game 1 if they beat Oakland.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 27, 2018 16:54:45 GMT -5
Just to add to the matchups versus the Yankees, the Yankees have pretty much lined up their rotation like this-
Severino Tanaka Happ Sabathia
Sale Price Eovaldi Porcello
These are most likely your pitching matchups for the ALDS.
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Post by jimed14 on Sept 27, 2018 17:32:07 GMT -5
If that's the rotation, my how things have changed, pitching two LHP in Fenway and two RHP in Yankee Stadium on purpose.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 27, 2018 17:59:46 GMT -5
It would be so epic if the Yankees lost the wildcard game knowing that their young phenom starter in Severino never threw a single pitch in it. I want it soooooo bad.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 27, 2018 18:03:06 GMT -5
If that's the rotation, my how things have changed, pitching two LHP in Fenway and two RHP in Yankee Stadium on purpose. The Yankees right handed power seems to have a advantage against Price especially and staying inside the ball and driving balls out to the opposite way in short porch RF. Can't do that in Fenway. Add- The Yankees traditionally have a lot of left handed power, but this Yankees team doesn't. All they have is Hicks and Dodo.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 27, 2018 22:13:00 GMT -5
If that's the rotation, my how things have changed, pitching two LHP in Fenway and two RHP in Yankee Stadium on purpose. The Yankees right handed power seems to have a advantage against Price especially and staying inside the ball and driving balls out to the opposite way in short porch RF. Can't do that in Fenway. Add- The Yankees traditionally have a lot of left handed power, but this Yankees team doesn't. All they have is Hicks and Dodo. Thanks to outstanding defense, Gregorius has a better win value than Bogaerts according to BR. Their standalone offensive totals have Bogaerts with a definite edge, in just about the same number of games, but anyone who's watched them play SS understands the difference in the field. And the name is Didi.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 27, 2018 22:24:42 GMT -5
The Yankees right handed power seems to have a advantage against Price especially and staying inside the ball and driving balls out to the opposite way in short porch RF. Can't do that in Fenway. Add- The Yankees traditionally have a lot of left handed power, but this Yankees team doesn't. All they have is Hicks and Dodo. Thanks to outstanding defense, Gregorius has a better win value than Bogaerts according to BR. Their standalone offensive totals have Bogaerts with a definite edge, in just about the same number of games, but anyone who's watched them play SS understands the difference in the field. And the name is Didi. I call him Dodo on purpose. If you remove Yankee stadium from Dodo bird, Xander is at least 1 and a half more valuable.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Sept 27, 2018 22:51:24 GMT -5
Bogaerts has been helped more by Fenway than Gregorius has by that shrunken rightfield in Yankee Stadium. Check it out. Should we come up with a nickname for him also? The point is probably moot in any case. Gregorius has been diagnosed with torn cartilage in his wrist. No knowing when he'll play again or how effective he'll be. If it's his throwing hand that's a real dent in their defense.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 27, 2018 23:21:22 GMT -5
Lol here's both players OPS numbers home and away the past 3 years-
Xander home OPS- 2018) .953 2017) .765 2016) .889
Xander away OPS- 2018) .800 2017) .726 2016) .718
Dodo home OPS- 2018) .944 !!!! 2017) .707 2016) .788
Dodo road OPS- 2018) .707 !!!! 2017) .882 2016) .716
Xander has NEVER in his career had more than 160 point upswing at home versus away from home. Dodo bird has a 240 point difference between Yankee stadium versus on the road. If it wasnt for Yankee stadium this year, I doubt he ever cracks a .800 or better OPS in his career.
Lol Xander is a elite hitter home or away from Fenway Park this year, while Dodo bird is barely replacement level outside of Yankee stadium.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 28, 2018 0:10:13 GMT -5
When you are older you get ummm different associations.
And yes, we were that dorky
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Post by gerry on Sept 28, 2018 0:19:21 GMT -5
Lol here's both players OPS numbers home and away the past 3 years- Xander home OPS- 2018) .953 2017) .765 2016) .889 Xander away OPS- 2018) .800 2017) .726 2016) .718 Dodo home OPS- 2018) .944 !!!! 2017) .707 2016) .788 Dodo road OPS- 2018) .707 !!!! 2017) .882 2016) .716 Xander has NEVER in his career had more than 160 point upswing at home versus away from home. Dodo bird has a 240 point difference between Yankee stadium versus on the road. If it wasnt for Yankee stadium this year, I doubt he ever cracks a .800 or better OPS in his career. Lol Xander is a elite hitter home or away from Fenway Park this year, while Dodo bird is barely replacement level outside of Yankee stadium. m C’mon Pedro. Didi is a great ballplayer and SS. He doesn’t deserve the dodo epithet any more than DDo should have been called Dumbo. This site is too good for namecalling, and so are you. We have enough of that coming out of DC. BTW thanks for the numbers. Excellent info.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Sept 28, 2018 0:37:08 GMT -5
I hate to see a player, any player, even a Yankee with an injury. I hope Didi is OK. I want to see our best beat the crap out of their best and no, Petey being out isn't a reason to root for a balancing.
Name calling isn't a big deal. Guess what I call anyone named Asdrubal.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 28, 2018 0:41:57 GMT -5
Lol here's both players OPS numbers home and away the past 3 years- Xander home OPS- 2018) .953 2017) .765 2016) .889 Xander away OPS- 2018) .800 2017) .726 2016) .718 Dodo home OPS- 2018) .944 !!!! 2017) .707 2016) .788 Dodo road OPS- 2018) .707 !!!! 2017) .882 2016) .716 Xander has NEVER in his career had more than 160 point upswing at home versus away from home. Dodo bird has a 240 point difference between Yankee stadium versus on the road. If it wasnt for Yankee stadium this year, I doubt he ever cracks a .800 or better OPS in his career. Lol Xander is a elite hitter home or away from Fenway Park this year, while Dodo bird is barely replacement level outside of Yankee stadium. m C’mon Pedro. Didi is a great ballplayer and SS. He doesn’t deserve the dodo epithet any more than DDo should have been called Dumbo. This site is too good for namecalling, and so are you. We have enough of that coming out of DC. BTW thanks for the numbers. Excellent info. I don't like Yankees players. He's a great defensive short stop. That's about it. I doubt he's anything special outside of a Yankee uniform. I just have a hard time respecting Yankees players with inflated numbers because of their joke AAA stadium. Xander is a great hitter in any ballpark this year, that's the difference. I would never name call a Sox organization member or anyone here, but if he's a overrated Yankee to me, then it's game on as far as I'm concerned. Just getting all ready for a hated potential heated ALDS.
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Post by iakovos11 on Sept 28, 2018 6:04:40 GMT -5
Lol here's both players OPS numbers home and away the past 3 years- Xander home OPS- 2018) .953 2017) .765 2016) .889 Xander away OPS- 2018) .800 2017) .726 2016) .718 Dodo home OPS- 2018) .944 !!!! 2017) .707 2016) .788 Dodo road OPS- 2018) .707 !!!! 2017) .882 2016) .716 Xander has NEVER in his career had more than 160 point upswing at home versus away from home. Dodo bird has a 240 point difference between Yankee stadium versus on the road. If it wasnt for Yankee stadium this year, I doubt he ever cracks a .800 or better OPS in his career. Lol Xander is a elite hitter home or away from Fenway Park this year, while Dodo bird is barely replacement level outside of Yankee stadium. I wasn't a math major, but by my using my trusty HP 12C calculator, the difference in 2016 (.889 home & .718 road) is 171 points.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Sept 28, 2018 6:29:02 GMT -5
Lol sorry was a little tired and my math was a little off while working last night...
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