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2013 Spring Training Discussion
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Post by ray88h66 on Mar 28, 2013 18:24:47 GMT -5
Bard has to start showing some command. The move to AA doesn't surprize me.
Over all spring training has been a positive. The starting piching has looked good. I still don't think this is a playoff team, but having better years from Lester, Buck, and some inning eating from Lackey could make them competitive.
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Post by jmei on Mar 28, 2013 18:32:08 GMT -5
Bard has repeatedly mentioned to the media that he thinks he can help the team right now and just needs the adrenaline boost from facing major league hitters and he'll be back to what he was in 2009-10. Apparently Nieves and Farrell disagree.
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Post by dd on Mar 28, 2013 18:49:50 GMT -5
Bard has repeatedly mentioned to the media that he thinks he can help the team right now and just needs the adrenaline boost from facing major league hitters and he'll be back to what he was in 2009-10. Apparently Nieves and Farrell disagree. Telling your boss you'll work harder as soon as the work is more important is rarely a successful strategy for promotions.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Mar 28, 2013 19:56:46 GMT -5
Victtorino either is injured or he is toast ( or both). His bat speed would be within the school zone limits. It is sad as he used to be a good player two or three years ago.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 28, 2013 20:08:03 GMT -5
Victtorino either is injured or he is toast ( or both). His bat speed would be within the school zone limits. It is sad as he used to be a good player two or three years ago. Well, at least the Sox have him for the next three seasons. And at $13 million/season. He'll make a good #4 OF. I didn't like that signing from the getgo. I was pretty much onboard with the rest of the signings, but not that one. Hopefully he'll prove me wrong.
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Post by station13 on Mar 28, 2013 20:18:51 GMT -5
Bard has repeatedly mentioned to the media that he thinks he can help the team right now and just needs the adrenaline boost from facing major league hitters and he'll be back to what he was in 2009-10. Apparently Nieves and Farrell disagree. I always scoff at those adrenaline answers. It's such a cop-out.
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Post by soxfan06 on Mar 28, 2013 20:49:02 GMT -5
Victorino just had an MRI on his wrist two days ago. Clearly hurt....but yes let's give up on him before he plays 1 regular season game.
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Post by soxfan06 on Mar 28, 2013 20:51:55 GMT -5
Juan Nieves said Bard was sent to AA to make the point that he's not just a few good outings away. OUCH Ouch...a few years ago if you said Miller would be the better MLB player between the two Tar Heels you would have been laughed out of town.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Mar 29, 2013 4:49:31 GMT -5
Victorino looked done last year and it is fair to question the money and years the Red Sox gave him. He showed signs of breaking down in 2012 missing a few games to back and left wrist injuries. it appears that the latest injury to his right wrist came last Sunday after crashing into the wall.
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Post by okin15 on Mar 29, 2013 7:14:38 GMT -5
so what's the day 1 lineup? victorino, ells, petey, gomes, napoli, wmb, jbj, salty, iglesias is my guess.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 29, 2013 8:06:39 GMT -5
so what's the day 1 lineup? victorino, ells, petey, gomes, napoli, wmb, jbj, salty, iglesias is my guess. Ellsbury cf Victorino rf Pedey 2b Napoli 1b WMB 3b JBjr LF Gomes dh Ross c. (Hits lefties and is Lester's catcher this year) Iglesias ss And in reality JBjr and Victorino should be switched, but won't be... Wouldn't surprise me to see Gomes in front of JBjr, but this gives more balance and puts a run producer behind Bradley.
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 29, 2013 8:21:12 GMT -5
so what's the day 1 lineup? victorino, ells, petey, gomes, napoli, wmb, jbj, salty, iglesias is my guess. Ellsbury cf Victorino rf Pedey 2b Napoli 1b WMB 3b JBjr LF Gomes dh Ross c. (Hits lefties and is Lester's catcher this year) Iglesias ss I think this line-up sounds about right with the possible exception of Gomes before JBJ (deference) and Salty as the catcher...(deference again) even tho he probably should not be in an ideal world. Has any Sox notable said openly that Ross is Lester's catcher even against RH opposing pitchers...or is this just speculation? Is anyone else concerned about what Victorino will bring to the table this year? He has been less than inspiring so far...good glove, little hit.....and looking at his career stats...something of a sharp downward trend.
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Mar 29, 2013 8:23:50 GMT -5
I agree with you about JBJ and suspect that he will be batting 2nd by April 15 with Victorino moving down or perhaps on the DL by then. Ross also appears to be Buchholz catcher. It is not a coincidence that Lester and Buchholz have both pitched so well this spring training with Ross behind the plate.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Mar 29, 2013 8:27:48 GMT -5
If Ellsbury looks like he's regained the pop he had in 2011, I'd bat him 3rd. Pedey should bat 2nd. Let JBJ lead off. That's his skill set. OBP and can run. Napoli cleanup. I'd bat Papi 5th when he comes back. WMB 6TH. We'd have that L-R-L-R-L-R managers seem to like. Not sure about Farrell's opinion on that. Switch hitter at 7 with Victorino, kind of like a 2nd leadoff hitter. Drew batting 8th is a lefty. Good if Vic gets on base. Salty/Ross batting 9th.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 29, 2013 8:29:31 GMT -5
Ross as Lester's catcher is speculation, but not out of no where speculation. From Gordon Edes 3/22
Farrell said Friday the club is not planning to pair a specific pitcher and catcher.
“With David here, it's more of him getting used to the guys he's going to handle,'' Farrell said. "We haven't identified a tandem that will look to maintain through the rotation. He's not going to handle one guy every time out. So for that situation, it's more about him getting acclimated to all the pitchers.''
But there is reason to suspect otherwise.
Lester has had Jarrod Saltalamacchia behind the plate for just one of his five spring starts to date. That continues a pattern that began after the worst start of Lester’s career: a four-inning, 11-run beatdown by the Blue Jays in Fenway Park on July 22 that included four home runs, five walks and a wild pitch. Saltalamacchia was the catcher for that one.
Salty did catch his last spring start though so could be nothing to it.
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Post by brianthetaoist on Mar 29, 2013 9:41:30 GMT -5
OK, so who backs up right-field/CF long-term? Assuming Sweeney's gone for good, that either means Victorino is destined for 4th outfielder status behind JBJ in right for the season (and the Sox lose the year of control over JBJ), or ... what? Mitch Maier, when he's healthy?
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Post by wskeleton76 on Mar 29, 2013 9:58:30 GMT -5
If Ellsbury looks like he's regained the pop he had in 2011, I'd bat him 3rd. Pedey should bat 2nd. Let JBJ lead off. That's his skill set. OBP and can run. Napoli cleanup. I'd bat Papi 5th when he comes back. WMB 6TH. We'd have that L-R-L-R-L-R managers seem to like. Not sure about Farrell's opinion on that. Switch hitter at 7 with Victorino, kind of like a 2nd leadoff hitter. Drew batting 8th is a lefty. Good if Vic gets on base. Salty/Ross batting 9th. Looks like a great idea but there is strong assumption that Ells should be back to himself of 2011.
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Post by gregblossersbelly on Mar 29, 2013 10:20:46 GMT -5
If Ellsbury looks like he's regained the pop he had in 2011, I'd bat him 3rd. Pedey should bat 2nd. Let JBJ lead off. That's his skill set. OBP and can run. Napoli cleanup. I'd bat Papi 5th when he comes back. WMB 6TH. We'd have that L-R-L-R-L-R managers seem to like. Not sure about Farrell's opinion on that. Switch hitter at 7 with Victorino, kind of like a 2nd leadoff hitter. Drew batting 8th is a lefty. Good if Vic gets on base. Salty/Ross batting 9th. Looks like a great idea but there is strong assumption that Ells should be back to himself of 2011. I did say "if." Wouldn't do it today. But, if Ells shows that pop I would. I can't see Ellsbury running a lot this year. He isn't going to risk injury and wear/tear on his body in his walk year.
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Post by bsout2 on Mar 29, 2013 21:49:42 GMT -5
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Post by elguapo on Mar 29, 2013 23:22:02 GMT -5
OK, so who backs up right-field/CF long-term? Some scrub riding the bench, hopefully: Maier, Hassan, maybe just Carp/Nava. Maybe Ciriaco in a pinch... if I were him I'd be working on my OF defense as the basis of a long utility career.
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Post by mainesox on Mar 30, 2013 1:55:12 GMT -5
Didn't think this (from Mike Newman's chat over at FG today) was worth it's own thread, but thought it was worth posting:
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Post by mattpicard on Mar 30, 2013 11:27:43 GMT -5
Thought this was a little surprising, but I can't say I'm against it. Farrell says that Nava, not Carp, will be Napoli's primary backup at 1B. With Nava also likely to get a lot of AB's in the 2-hole vs. righties at DH, I wonder where Carp is going to get most of his playing time. Also, Farrell confirms Victorino the 2-hole vs. LHP's, and lower against righties. Guessing the lineups gonna be looking like this: CF Ellsbury DH Nava 2B Pedroia 1B Napoli 3B Middlebrooks C Saltalamacchia RF Victorino LF Bradley SS Iglesias And against lefties: CF Ellsbury RF Victorino 2B Pedroia 1B Napoli 3B Middlebrooks DH Gomes C Ross LF Bradley SS Iglesias/Ciriaco With Ciriaco backing up 2B/3B/SS, Carp backing up 1B and OF (although it seems he may be backing them up by instead serving as DH and shifting the others, ie. Nava to 1B or LF; Bradley to RF for Victorino subbing out, Nava to LF). Which really isn't bad, considering we're missing a terrific DH at the center of the lineup, and a solid offensive shortstop. Nava is going to be a plus with his OBP skills against righties - I'm extremely happy to hear he'll be getting starts up top with Victorino shifting down. Gomes defense looks like it won't come into play for the beginning of the season, and instead will be replaced by a premier defender. - Farrell also mentioned Salty DH'ing against some lefties, but I really don't want to see that. - I've seen some express concern over having 3 righties in the middle of our lineup. While it's an understandable concern, I don't see a better alternative at the moment.
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Post by jdb on Mar 30, 2013 18:15:00 GMT -5
Really pleased with Iglesias spring. Lets hope he can carry this over to the regular season. Get some hits that first week while Drews out then continue quality ABs at AAA. Only 23 let's hope he stays healthy this year and gets another 500 ABs to develop.
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Post by sarasoxer on Mar 30, 2013 19:22:50 GMT -5
Really pleased with Iglesias spring. Lets hope he can carry this over to the regular season. Get some hits that first week while Drews out then continue quality ABs at AAA. Only 23 let's hope he stays healthy this year and gets another 500 ABs to develop. Iglesias has stung the ball consistently with much more authority this spring than last year whether in MLB or the minors. He has definitely improved from the batting/strength standpoint. Drew will likely always have more pop but Iglesias has very much impressed to date. If he can take the next step to better pitch recognition, (dread the thought), he could be a valuable offensive player too.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 31, 2013 0:15:56 GMT -5
Thought this was a little surprising, but I can't say I'm against it. Farrell says that Nava, not Carp, will be Napoli's primary backup at 1B. With Nava also likely to get a lot of AB's in the 2-hole vs. righties at DH, I wonder where Carp is going to get most of his playing time. Also, Farrell confirms Victorino the 2-hole vs. LHP's, and lower against righties. Guessing the lineups gonna be looking like this: CF Ellsbury DH Nava 2B Pedroia 1B Napoli 3B Middlebrooks C Saltalamacchia RF Victorino LF Bradley SS Iglesias And against lefties: CF Ellsbury RF Victorino 2B Pedroia 1B Napoli 3B Middlebrooks DH Gomes C Ross LF Bradley SS Iglesias/Ciriaco With Ciriaco backing up 2B/3B/SS, Carp backing up 1B and OF (although it seems he may be backing them up by instead serving as DH and shifting the others, ie. Nava to 1B or LF; Bradley to RF for Victorino subbing out, Nava to LF). Which really isn't bad, considering we're missing a terrific DH at the center of the lineup, and a solid offensive shortstop. Nava is going to be a plus with his OBP skills against righties - I'm extremely happy to hear he'll be getting starts up top with Victorino shifting down. Gomes defense looks like it won't come into play for the beginning of the season, and instead will be replaced by a premier defender. - Farrell also mentioned Salty DH'ing against some lefties, but I really don't want to see that. - I've seen some express concern over having 3 righties in the middle of our lineup. While it's an understandable concern, I don't see a better alternative at the moment. That comment has me wondering if it might be Carp that goes when Ortiz comes back. Alternatively, could be JBJ goes down for 20 days, then Carp gets cut and JBJ comes back up.[/span] Point is, I don't get what the utility of having Carp on the roster is if he's the third 1B and sixth OF, when he's not good defensively.
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