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Post by mredsox89 on Mar 19, 2019 9:28:37 GMT -5
Honestly seems like a bargain compared to Harper, Machado and Stanton. On the face, sure. But apparently this is on top of his current extension, which runs through 2020, so he'll be pushing 30 when this extension kicks in, while Harper and Machado both kick their long term deals off at 26.Apparently it's been updated and it's a 10-year extension following the remaining two years on his current deal Trout is a FAR better player, no one will doubt that, but at 30 vs. 26 for the other guys, I don't think it's a bargain compared to the other contracts
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Post by danredhawk on Mar 19, 2019 9:34:54 GMT -5
If anything, I'd think the Trout deal (and the Arenado deal) would be an indication to free agents that the real big dollars come with signing extensions prior to hitting free agency. The team your with is going to be the team willing to spend the big money to keep you - meanwhile FA is currently a buyers market with few teams willing to spend on massive contracts. So, re-sign already Mookie...
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Post by taftreign on Mar 19, 2019 9:44:40 GMT -5
I believe this is a 10 year extension added onto his existing 2 remaining years. He will make 34 mil each of the next two seasons plus the approximate 362 additional over the next ten for a total value of 12 years and 430 mil. So he will be 39 going on 40 entering his final season.
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Post by mredsox89 on Mar 19, 2019 9:57:52 GMT -5
So it does indeed look like it's really a 10-year extension following the two remaining years on his current deal, which makes it more palatable, and also more of a realistic baseline for Betts.
12/375 or 12/400 for Mookie and buy out his ARB 3 year. Or you agree in principle now, and agree come next offseason to avoid 2019 luxury tax complications
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 19, 2019 10:01:00 GMT -5
So it does indeed look like it's really a 10-year extension following the two remaining years on his current deal, which makes it more palatable, and also more of a realistic baseline for Betts. 12/375 or 12/400 for Mookie and buy out his ARB 3 year. Or you agree in principle now, and agree come next offseason to avoid 2019 luxury tax complications They could agree on opening day for his AAV to not change until next year.
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 19, 2019 10:21:09 GMT -5
I know people want to compare Mookie to Trout but Trout has no true comp. At this point, Trouts production is matched every couple years by Betts, but Trout does it every year - literally everyone. Guy was hurt, only played 114 games and still put up 7 WAR.
Mookie 4 year average is an amazing 7.2.
Trouts career average is: 9.2 and that includes the 114 game year.
Trout also has the build of a guy who you think should age well. Mookie has the slight frame that relies heavily on bat speed and wrist quickness. When that slips he has less to fall back on.
This isn’t a knock on Mookie whatsoever. He deserves more than Harper and Machado. It’s just an illustration on how good Trout is. He’s head and shoulders above anyone else. Then you have Mookie and maybe Jose Ramirez then the rest of the guys.
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Post by incandenza on Mar 19, 2019 10:37:24 GMT -5
Heh.
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Post by James Dunne on Mar 19, 2019 11:05:21 GMT -5
I know people want to compare Mookie to Trout but Trout has no true comp. At this point, Trouts production is matched every couple years by Betts, but Trout does it every year - literally everyone. Guy was hurt, only played 114 games and still put up 7 WAR. Mookie 4 year average is an amazing 7.2. Trouts career average is: 9.2 and that includes the 114 game year. Trout also has the build of a guy who you think should age well. Mookie has the slight frame that relies heavily on bat speed and wrist quickness. When that slips he has less to fall back on. This isn’t a knock on Mookie whatsoever. He deserves more than Harper and Machado. It’s just an illustration on how good Trout is. He’s head and shoulders above anyone else. Then you have Mookie and maybe Jose Ramirez then the rest of the guys. Yep. Betts is putting up what is pretty clearly Hall-of-Fame-level production and it's still impossible to argue that he's the best player in baseball. There's a real chance that Trout is the best player I've ever seen. There's a very good chance he's second among active players in bWAR by the end of his age-27 season: www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/WAR_active.shtml
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 19, 2019 11:14:12 GMT -5
Like Betts, Trout is a pro in every sense of the word, just a joy to watch play. But when it comes to value he really is in his own league. Not only is he a 9+ WAR player year after year, but he's one of the most consistent players ever to grip a bat in the majors. Pitchers have come up with what they thought were holes in his swing, and he closes them overnight. He's really amazing: fivethirtyeight.com/features/mike-trout-is-outrageously-consistent-at-being-outrageously-great/
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 19, 2019 11:21:58 GMT -5
I predict Juan Soto to be up there somewhere between Mookie and Trout. Check out his projections if you haven't yet. ZiPS has him as 2nd in all of MLB for OPS.
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Post by mredsox89 on Mar 19, 2019 12:17:38 GMT -5
So it does indeed look like it's really a 10-year extension following the two remaining years on his current deal, which makes it more palatable, and also more of a realistic baseline for Betts. 12/375 or 12/400 for Mookie and buy out his ARB 3 year. Or you agree in principle now, and agree come next offseason to avoid 2019 luxury tax complications They could agree on opening day for his AAV to not change until next year. Yea, I admittedly am not entirely versed on how extensions can then affect AAV for current year luxury tax purposes. I've read that they changed the rules, but haven't been able to get a full grasp on how the calculations would actually work. If he "signed" on day two of the regular season, would his current year AAV not actually change, even though it could technically be part of the contract?
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 19, 2019 12:23:14 GMT -5
They could agree on opening day for his AAV to not change until next year. Yea, I admittedly am not entirely versed on how extensions can then affect AAV for current year luxury tax purposes. I've read that they changed the rules, but haven't been able to get a full grasp on how the calculations would actually work. If he "signed" on day two of the regular season, would his current year AAV not actually change, even though it could technically be part of the contract? I believe it would be considered an extension that doesn't start until the following season.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Mar 19, 2019 13:09:08 GMT -5
Good lord on the Trout contract. Guess we have a realistic benchmark for Mookie I know Mookie was a shade better than Trout last year, but Trout has been essentially as good as 2018 Mookie Betts every single year of his career. He's on a completely different level than everyone else. I don't know exactly how to deal with that as far as estimating a Betts contract, but that's what it is.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 19, 2019 17:32:18 GMT -5
Yea, I admittedly am not entirely versed on how extensions can then affect AAV for current year luxury tax purposes. I've read that they changed the rules, but haven't been able to get a full grasp on how the calculations would actually work. If he "signed" on day two of the regular season, would his current year AAV not actually change, even though it could technically be part of the contract? I believe it would be considered an extension that doesn't start until the following season. I'm admittedly not quite fully versed on this either, but they basically did something like this with Vazquez's contract last year. He had his one-year deal, then the extension didn't kick in for CBT AAV purposes until this year.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Mar 19, 2019 17:34:48 GMT -5
Josh Fields was DFA by the Dodgers. I doubt anybody trades for him at his salary, but he'll be a FA soon. He's become a decent pitcher. Has trouble with the gopher ball, but he's decent. Not saying the Sox shouldn't definitely be all over him, but given what's left on the market and the lack of depth they have they should at least consider it. Signed with Milwaukee
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Mar 19, 2019 17:54:21 GMT -5
Good for Trout. Good for Mookie....Xander.....JD Martinez (who most definitely should opt out). I think there is still risk in this contract. Even if he is the best player we have ever seen, he still is subject to injury / underperformance in later years.
Hoping the Angels can put some talent around him. Be a shame if ended up with a playoff career like Ernie Banks.
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Post by mredsox89 on Mar 19, 2019 18:22:23 GMT -5
Good lord on the Trout contract. Guess we have a realistic benchmark for Mookie I know Mookie was a shade better than Trout last year, but Trout has been essentially as good as 2018 Mookie Betts every single year of his career. He's on a completely different level than everyone else. I don't know exactly how to deal with that as far as estimating a Betts contract, but that's what it is. For sure. But I think it's a better/more realistic benchmark than Machado and Harper
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Post by Oregon Norm on Mar 19, 2019 20:02:35 GMT -5
I predict Juan Soto to be up there somewhere between Mookie and Trout. Check out his projections if you haven't yet. ZiPS has him as 2nd in all of MLB for OPS. My take also. Don't know about the rest of the skillset, but the bat is just spectacular. He looks to be a fully developed hitter at the age of 20. The discipline, bat control, and the game power are just part of what he brings. He's going to be a great one, with the usual disclaimer about injuries.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 19, 2019 20:45:03 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 19, 2019 20:57:48 GMT -5
*Bregman was going into the third year of his rookie deal.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Mar 19, 2019 21:01:07 GMT -5
Can’t help but feel a little bummed out that all these extensions are happening and not one of our players got extended yet
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Post by kenster on Mar 19, 2019 21:08:31 GMT -5
No extensions, no bullpen, no trades, no improvement. Very poor performance by the Red Sox front office this winter after a season of great accomplishments.
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Post by mredsox89 on Mar 19, 2019 21:24:29 GMT -5
The Sox have financial reasons to either not actually extend or not announce any extensions until after the season starts.
Not saying that all of a sudden they'll announce three in the middle of April, but there's a high financial reason for them to not sign anything until at least after opening day
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Post by rjp313jr on Mar 21, 2019 14:28:06 GMT -5
I didn’t see a regular season thread and I’m guessing this will be controversial so maybe not best first post...
That Ichiro “celebration” was a joke. Using a roster spot and real games for a goodbye is next level.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Mar 21, 2019 14:54:16 GMT -5
I didn’t see a regular season thread and I’m guessing this will be controversial so maybe not best first post... That Ichiro “celebration” was a joke. Using a roster spot and real games for a goodbye is next level. It's two games IN JAPAN. Your cynicism is next level.
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