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Post by Mike Andrews on Feb 6, 2019 11:48:30 GMT -5
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Post by Mike Andrews on Feb 6, 2019 11:49:33 GMT -5
Ever curious about what happened to the #RedSox draft picks that didn't sign with the club & went back to school? We have a page for that: www.soxprospects.com/dh-unsigned.htm Some interesting unsigned #RedSox draft picks include Steve Pearce, Pedro Alvarez, Charlie Blackmon, Brandon Belt, Yan Gomes, Mike Yastrzemski, Austin Davis (NFL), Alex Bregman, & Carson Fulmer A few notable recent unsigned #RedSox draft picks were Ryan Boldt, Matt Thaiss, David Peterson, Jeren Kendall, Nick Quintana, Nick Lucky, & Zach Watson
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Post by bluechip on Feb 7, 2019 6:28:17 GMT -5
Ever curious about what happened to the #RedSox draft picks that didn't sign with the club & went back to school? We have a page for that: www.soxprospects.com/dh-unsigned.htm Some interesting unsigned #RedSox draft picks include Steve Pearce, Pedro Alvarez, Charlie Blackmon, Brandon Belt, Yan Gomes, Mike Yastrzemski, Austin Davis (NFL), Alex Bregman, & Carson Fulmer A few notable recent unsigned #RedSox draft picks were Ryan Boldt, Matt Thaiss, David Peterson, Jeren Kendall, Nick Quintana, Nick Lucky, & Zach Watson This is a fun feature.
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Post by michael on Feb 7, 2019 21:13:28 GMT -5
How about Mark Teixeira?
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Post by Mike Andrews on Feb 8, 2019 9:45:44 GMT -5
Good point. He was drafted by the Sox in 1998. Our dh-unsigned page only goes back to 2003, when the site started.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 8, 2019 10:12:28 GMT -5
How about Amos Otis (who was a good OF with the KC Royals in their heyday)? Just kidding. I think he predates that 2003 date by a few years. lol
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Post by jimoh on Feb 8, 2019 21:50:05 GMT -5
How about Amos Otis (who was a good OF with the KC Royals in their heyday)? Just kidding. I think he predates that 2003 date by a few years. lol Amos Otis signed with and played in the minors for the Red Sox but then a year later was drafted by the Mets I’m some sort of minor league draft.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 8, 2019 22:18:30 GMT -5
How about Amos Otis (who was a good OF with the KC Royals in their heyday)? Just kidding. I think he predates that 2003 date by a few years. lol Amos Otis signed with and played in the minors for the Red Sox but then a year later was drafted by the Mets I’m some sort of minor league draft. Ah, thanks for the correction. I thought he was a draft but no sign guy. Apparently he had nice minor league numbers for his first two seasons in the Sox organization but for some reason the Sox let him be drafted away by the Mets who foolishly dealt him after the 1969 miracle season to the Royals for a washed up Joe Foy. Otis had a pretty nice career. Good speed CF who could walk and hit for average on occasion with a little bit of pop. Not better than Rice/Lynn/Evans but between Otis, Beniquez, and Oglivie the Sox had a pretty good B squad for the OF and that doesn't even include Rick Miller.
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Post by azblue on Feb 10, 2019 11:52:21 GMT -5
Amos Otis was chosen by the Mets in the 1966 minor league draft (more than 2,000 career hits). Another unfortunate personnel decision was leaving Jim Fregosi available in the expansion draft.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Feb 10, 2019 12:46:02 GMT -5
Amos Otis was chosen by the Mets in the 1966 minor league draft (more than 2,000 career hits). Another unfortunate personnel decision was leaving Jim Fregosi available in the expansion draft. That sucks. Then the Red Sox (instead of the Angels) could have held onto Fregosi (who did have some good years as a good hitting SS and 3b) until it was time to trade him to the Mets for Nolan Ryan.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 10, 2019 23:29:59 GMT -5
Reminder: 2019 MLB draft thread.
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Post by ramireja on Apr 3, 2019 16:07:47 GMT -5
Fangraphs just posted the signing bonus and pick values for the 2019 MLB Draft. As it stands currently, we have the smallest bonus pool amount at $4,788,100. In other words, our total pool $ is less than the individual values for EACH of the first 9 picks in the draft. Keep in mind, if Kimbrel signs with another team before the draft, we would get an additional pick after the 4th round. That said, if my calculations are correct, that would push us only ahead of MIL in terms of overall spending money.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 3, 2019 16:36:05 GMT -5
How the hell is that a fair system? Arizona has $16,085,000 and the Red Sox have $4,781,000. No wonder teams are tanking now.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 3, 2019 21:06:21 GMT -5
How the hell is that a fair system? Arizona has $16,085,000 and the Red Sox have $4,781,000. No wonder teams are tanking now. Arizona doesn't have that large of a pool from tanking. In fact, their top pick is only #16. They have that large a pool because they didn't sign their 2018 first-round pick, had two QO free agents, had their own competitive balance pick and traded for another in the Goldschmidt trade. They have the top aggregate pool, but I bet they don't even have the largest pool per pick. The Red Sox, meanwhile, forfeited about $500k in cap money when their top pick was pushed back 10 spots from 33 to 43.
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Post by soxpatsceltics on Apr 3, 2019 21:28:51 GMT -5
I hate to bring up the debate again... but this year remains a candidate to "blow up the draft" by going way over and sacrificing the next 2 1st rounders. Low budget anyway, the Sox having a terrible system, luxury tax in the future setting back the picks in 2020 and beyond, and a contending team that will only be sacrificing 2 picks in the 20s. The Sox also don't want to spend money on major league contracts because of luxury tax concerns so investing 50 million or so in this way would add to the talent pool without trading vets for prospects.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 4, 2019 9:17:15 GMT -5
How the hell is that a fair system? Arizona has $16,085,000 and the Red Sox have $4,781,000. No wonder teams are tanking now. Arizona doesn't have that large of a pool from tanking. In fact, their top pick is only #16. They have that large a pool because they didn't sign their 2018 first-round pick, had two QO free agents, had their own competitive balance pick and traded for another in the Goldschmidt trade. They have the top aggregate pool, but I bet they don't even have the largest pool per pick. The Red Sox, meanwhile, forfeited about $500k in cap money when their top pick was pushed back 10 spots from 33 to 43. It's pretty insane how lopsided it is, no matter how they got to that point. I never really thought about how lopsided it can be until I saw that the Diamonbacks have 3.36 times as much money as the Red Sox to spend on the draft. 13 teams have double. Even if the Red Sox weren't penalized at all, the difference between Baltimore's $8,415,300 and pick 33 where the Sox would have picked ($2,202,200) is way too high. There's no way in hell the Orioles don't end up with an extra first round pick just because someone will sign for a lot less than $8.4M. Or they can just sign about 10 overslot guys. Or since it's the Orioles, maybe they don't even spend it all because their owner is an idiot. In any event, if the Red Sox are in the same boat for a number of years, they're going to really be hurting from the lack of money to spend on the draft unless they get super lucky.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 4, 2019 10:56:05 GMT -5
The first five picks or so do have extra money built in for those teams to distribute to other picks. As you'll notice, it drops very quickly.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Apr 4, 2019 12:20:35 GMT -5
How the hell is that a fair system? Arizona has $16,085,000 and the Red Sox have $4,781,000. No wonder teams are tanking now. Miss the days when Boston would consistently spend 9-11m each and every year on the rule 4 draft. Not less, yet not more either. What wa the year KC.. Or was it the Pirates spent 15m pre hard cap? 2009? 2011?
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Post by The Town Sports Cards on Apr 5, 2019 7:27:45 GMT -5
You guys do realize that the whole point of the recent draft rules for cap/losing picks/dropping back is so teams like the Red Sox will deliberately have worse drafts than bad teams like the Diamondbacks? The whole point of the draft is for the worst teams to get the best players, not have the de-facto auction that existed in the early 2000's where the best players went to the teams that were willing to meet bonus demands. You shouldn't be able to go over the cap, win the World Series, and get the best players in the following years draft. I honestly don't understand the complaints. Are some of the new rules an over-correction? Most likely, but it's still better than teams drafting worse players in the first round because their bonus demands are lower
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 5, 2019 7:46:25 GMT -5
You guys do realize that the whole point of the recent draft rules for cap/losing picks/dropping back is so teams like the Red Sox will deliberately have worse drafts than bad teams like the Diamondbacks? The whole point of the draft is for the worst teams to get the best players, not have the de-facto auction that existed in the early 2000's where the best players went to the teams that were willing to meet bonus demands. You shouldn't be able to go over the cap, win the World Series, and get the best players in the following years draft. I honestly don't understand the complaints. Are some of the new rules an over-correction? Most likely, but it's still better than teams drafting worse players in the first round because their bonus demands are lower It generally worked out that way before the cap era though. How many guys who were rated at the top fell farther than, like, third, because of bonus demands? The extreme overslotting and bonus structure directly incentivizes things like the Orioles playing Chris Davis every day in an effort to not accidentally finish ahead of someone else. That's much, much worse for baseball than a highly-touted amateur throwing his weight around with bonus demands.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 5, 2019 8:07:33 GMT -5
I honestly don't understand the complaints. Are some of the new rules an over-correction? Most likely Then you understand the complaints.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 5, 2019 8:13:16 GMT -5
Getting into this a bit deeper: the biggest problem before the cap wasn't the lack of the cap, it was the way the free agent compensation scheme incentivized rich teams swapping out free agents rather than signing your own, because you'd net an extra pick. That's how Theo & Co were able to game the 2005 and 2006 drafts (even though they didn't really have a good draft in 2006). It gave bad teams the highest picks, but it ended up with rich teams having MORE picks, and thus more opportunities to throw that extra money at high-bonus/high-risk types.
That ability to throw money around would still exist without the compensation scheme, but it would be much riskier. It's dangerous to draft a high-risk dude when you're not also getting a generally safe pick like Jacoby Ellsbury or Matt Barnes or someone of that ilk.
Now the same thing happens, but with bad teams. The best way you can get a Lance McCullers is to absolutely suck, so that you have extra bonus pool money.
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Post by borisman on Apr 5, 2019 8:58:34 GMT -5
How the hell is that a fair system? Arizona has $16,085,000 and the Red Sox have $4,781,000. No wonder teams are tanking now. Not only that but the Sox are one of the teams that basically help fund these bottom feeders yet some don't spend the money but pocket it. Such an embarrassment.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 9:51:12 GMT -5
Why do we not have a first round pick?
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 5, 2019 9:52:51 GMT -5
Dropped 10 spots for going over the luxury tax threshold last year.
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