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Post by grandsalami on Jul 16, 2019 22:27:51 GMT -5
We could be sellers by the end of the week. Dude, you sing the same tune all the time. What the hell are the Red Sox selling exactly??? How anxious are other teams to get their hands on Porcello? What do you really think Brock Holt or an injured Mitch Moreland is going to fetch in a deal? They don't have anything compelling to sell without wrecking their 2020 season even if they did "sell". I would see what JDM would fetch.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 16, 2019 22:34:11 GMT -5
We could be sellers by the end of the week. Dude, you sing the same tune all the time. What the hell are the Red Sox selling exactly??? How anxious are other teams to get their hands on Porcello? What do you really think Brock Holt or an injured Mitch Moreland is going to fetch in a deal? They don't have anything compelling to sell without wrecking their 2020 season even if they did "sell". Sell JD, buy on Rendon in the off-season is one idea. I'm not actually advocating that I'm just saying this notion that somehow trading Betts or Martinez or Price is automatically going to torpedo their next season is wrong. I mean, they're not in the playoffs this year with them. I do understand that it's like saying the Angels should trade Trout because they're out of the playoffs with him anyways. I'm just saying there's creative ways to make up for the potential lost production, depending who they trade, what they get back and what's made available.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 16, 2019 23:18:07 GMT -5
I would also dangle E-Rod and barns and see if anyone is willing to over pay. If yes they go if No they stay.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 16, 2019 23:33:13 GMT -5
Dude, you sing the same tune all the time. What the hell are the Red Sox selling exactly??? How anxious are other teams to get their hands on Porcello? What do you really think Brock Holt or an injured Mitch Moreland is going to fetch in a deal? They don't have anything compelling to sell without wrecking their 2020 season even if they did "sell". I would see what JDM would fetch. Try looking at what Detroit got from Arizona from him. Not much and with an opt-out JDM could fetch the same rental price expect he was having a better year in 2017 than he is now. Also, how does losing JDM help the Sox in 2020?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 16, 2019 23:44:26 GMT -5
I would see what JDM would fetch. Try looking at what Detroit got from Arizona from him. Not much and with an opt-out JDM could fetch the same rental price expect he was having a better year in 2017 than he is now. Also, how does losing JDM help the Sox in 2020? Well, you could buy him back in 2020.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 17, 2019 0:20:33 GMT -5
Try looking at what Detroit got from Arizona from him. Not much and with an opt-out JDM could fetch the same rental price expect he was having a better year in 2017 than he is now. Also, how does losing JDM help the Sox in 2020? Well, you could buy him back in 2020. And if JDM is a rental then what are you getting back for him? Again, take a look at what Detroit got for him and he had been numbers and was younger then. The answer is that they got practically nobody for him. You're not going to get much for JDM at this point, especially at his salary. I guess the Sox can pay all of it to get a better prospect but even then you get a rental price for a DH. As far as buying him back, who knows?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 17, 2019 0:37:50 GMT -5
Well, you could buy him back in 2020. And if JDM is a rental then what are you getting back for him? Again, take a look at what Detroit got for him and he had been numbers and was younger then. The answer is that they got practically nobody for him. You're not going to get much for JDM at this point, especially at his salary. I guess the Sox can pay all of it to get a better prospect but even then you get a rental price for a DH. As far as buying him back, who knows? Well in fairness to JDM, he's a better hitter than what he was in Detroit, and he should be worth more in 2019. Pay for most of his salary and you could get something nice back for him. A team like Tampa Bay could REALLY use a guy like JDM this year. Heck, so could Houston. If there's competition for his services, that's what drives the price up.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jul 17, 2019 0:56:02 GMT -5
The A's don't lose anymore. They're even starting to breathe down Houston's neck in that division (4.5 games). It's going to be a dogfight just to grab a wildcard spot.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 17, 2019 3:51:34 GMT -5
Personally, I would have no problem signing Nick Castellanos in the off-season for way cheaper dollars and let him take over as the everyday DH.
He's 4 years younger than JDM, he pulls a ton of balls (good for Fenway), he's durable.
Ya he's a little worse at the moment than JDM, but I question how long JDM is going to be exceptional with the bat. JDM will be 32 (33 by August 2020), a full-time DH moving forward, he's not durable, and he's more expensive.
It wouldn't also surprise me if Castellanos was better than JDM by 2021 for all of these reasons I mentioned. I'm not afraid at all of losing JDM. I'm not sure if the Sox go this direction, but it's a reasonable path to take if you have an eye towards future production and the cost of getting that production.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 17, 2019 5:10:22 GMT -5
Correction Chris Mason, they are 3 games back of 2 teams in the *second* wild card.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 19, 2019 13:50:15 GMT -5
Numbers:
W-L: Red Sox: 53-44 Indians: 55-40 Athletics: 55-42 Rays: 56-43
xW-L: Red Sox: 53-44 Indians: 52-43 Athletics: 58-40 Rays: 59-40
Run Differentials: Red Sox: +55 Indians: +40 Athletics: +95 Rays: +90
Path to 90 Red Sox: .570 Indians: .522 Athletics: .540 Rays: .540
Path to 93 Red Sox .615 Indians: .570 Athletics: .585 Rays: .587
Path to 97 Red Sox .677 Indians: .630 Athletics: .646 Rays: .650
Red Sox by month this season: March .250 (4 games) April .462 May .593 June .556 July .692 *through the 19th
Did this in a rush, so might be off a bit here.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 20, 2019 22:38:05 GMT -5
After slugging the Os tonight
Boston 54-45 .545 Oakland 57-42 .576 Cleveland 56-41 .577 Tampa 56-45 .554
Tampa is fading and we can have a say in their fate if we play them well. Got to keep winning. Surpassing them may be our best shot.
99 games played, 63 remaining. We need to go 36-27 for 90 wins .571 clip We need to go 39-24 for 93 wins .619 clip
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 20, 2019 23:27:56 GMT -5
It would really be nice if some NL team will overpay a little bit for Bauer as the Sox try to get back in this thing. Cleveland's trade deadline will be must watch from that perspective as Sox fans. It would be a disaster if the Yankees ended up with Bauer though.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jul 21, 2019 1:58:14 GMT -5
It would really be nice if some NL team will overpay a little bit for Bauer as the Sox try to get back in this thing. Cleveland's trade deadline will be must watch from that perspective as Sox fans. It would be a disaster if the Yankees ended up with Bauer though. wait in what scenario would the Indians be sellers? They currently hold a wildcard spot, but they're also chasing down and just 3 games behind the suddenly vulnerable Twins.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 21, 2019 13:04:43 GMT -5
It would really be nice if some NL team will overpay a little bit for Bauer as the Sox try to get back in this thing. Cleveland's trade deadline will be must watch from that perspective as Sox fans. It would be a disaster if the Yankees ended up with Bauer though. wait in what scenario would the Indians be sellers? They currently hold a wildcard spot, but they're also chasing down and just 3 games behind the suddenly vulnerable Twins. The idea is they trade Bauer for German and Frazier. It's not a terrible trade.
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Post by jdb on Jul 21, 2019 13:13:25 GMT -5
Richard Justice was on with Jim Bowden on Sirius today and they think Bauer is moved for some MLB pieces since hey have pitching depth.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jul 21, 2019 14:28:17 GMT -5
wait in what scenario would the Indians be sellers? They currently hold a wildcard spot, but they're also chasing down and just 3 games behind the suddenly vulnerable Twins. The idea is they trade Bauer for German and Frazier. It's not a terrible trade. The team that says no to that deal is the Yankees. German might be as good as Bauer at this point and he's damn sure a better value when you consider service time, which is a thing the Yankees do now.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 21, 2019 14:32:17 GMT -5
The idea is they trade Bauer for German and Frazier. It's not a terrible trade. The team that says no to that deal is the Yankees. German might be as good as Bauer at this point and he's damn sure a better value when you consider service time, which is a thing the Yankees do now. When I first heard that rumor I immediately thought the Indians were crazy. Now I'd think Cashman lost his mind. The only thing you can say is Bauer is a more proven commodity, but that's not worth both German and Frazier. Maybe German and a lottery ticket. Maybe.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 21, 2019 15:36:51 GMT -5
Well, 100 games done - 62% of the season.
After that complete crapola of a game
Boston 54-46 .540 Oakland 57-42 .576 and currently losing to MN Cleveland 57-41 .582 Tampa 57-45 .559
up next - brutal stretch facing Tampa and MFY
100 games played, 62 remaining. We need to go 36-26 for 90 wins .581 clip We need to go 39-23 for 93 wins .629 clip
We are 5-5 since the All Star break. next 14 games, against Tampa and MFY, will make it or break it, I believe.
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Post by dmaineah on Jul 21, 2019 23:23:11 GMT -5
A sweep of this 3 game set vs Tampa is a must. 9 - 6 in the last 15 games doesn't add up for the Sox. A sweep, a split with the Yankees & then 2 of 3 vs Tampa might, just might, keep the team in contention for a wild card. Anything less & the season is over.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 23, 2019 5:48:09 GMT -5
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Post by incandenza on Jul 23, 2019 10:55:11 GMT -5
I clicked the link hoping this would say something about the front office's thinking, but instead it seems to just be the author's speculation. No quotes, no indications of off-the-record conversations; just weird suggestions about trading Eduardo Rodriguez and stuff. Meanwhile, a Math of the Red Sox update: since their 6-13 start they are 49-33, a 97-win pace over a full season. It's exactly where they have been the whole dang season since the bad start. For all that everyone, up to and including Alex Cora, calls this team "inconsistent," they've been incredibly consistent since their "extended spring training." The question, of course, is whether that lousy start will end up sinking their chances of getting into the playoffs.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 26, 2019 22:13:02 GMT -5
58-47. 57 games remain.
32-25 gets you 90 wins. .561.
35-22 gets you 93 wins. .614.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 27, 2019 2:49:16 GMT -5
Pete Abraham @peteabe
Indians 61-42 Rays 59-47 Red Sox 58-47 Athletics 58-47 Angels 54-51 Rangers 53-51
AL Wild Card race is going to be fun.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 31, 2019 22:11:12 GMT -5
All that progress we made last week has gone up in smoke.
Poof!
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