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5/2-5/5 Red Sox @ White Sox Series Thread
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Post by kevfc89 on May 4, 2019 21:41:05 GMT -5
Vaz > Nunez at second base
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Post by humanbeingbean on May 4, 2019 21:47:01 GMT -5
I don’t know if he’ll have a .307 OBP at the end of the year. Through the end of the year. Anyway, it'll be fun to see what the projection is tomorrow. You got me there.
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Post by jimed14 on May 4, 2019 21:47:17 GMT -5
Haha, Devers makes a gold glove play to end the game. The perfect game.
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Post by dirtdog on May 4, 2019 21:51:04 GMT -5
Vaz > Nunez at second base Better hitter too.
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Post by wildsox on May 4, 2019 21:52:12 GMT -5
Can’t Lakins do at least what Thornburg is doing?
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Post by dirtdog on May 4, 2019 21:54:07 GMT -5
Haha, Devers makes a gold glove play to end the game. The perfect game. I am old enough to remember Craig Nettles not being great at 3B in his early seasons even after he got traded to the Yankees, he was more known for his bat. Not that it has anything to do with Rafi but guys can refine their defensive skills even when they more coveted for their bat.
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Post by soxfansince67 on May 4, 2019 22:10:54 GMT -5
Loving the youthful core of our team
Vazquez 28 (fringe youth) Chavis 23 Bogaerts 26 Devers 22 Benintendi 24 Betts 26 Bradley 29 (fringe youth)
keeping them together....that will be an interesting challenge.
by the way - we got our team BA up to .250, team ERA down to 4.74....two games under .500, much improved run differential...charging upward at last!
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Post by Don Caballero on May 4, 2019 22:16:35 GMT -5
True story here: we would be 0-34 if Nunez was healthy. The rise of Michael Chavis has been the stuff of legends.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 4, 2019 22:20:51 GMT -5
Best all around game of the season.
Amazing 3rd inning. 10 straight hits with 2 outs and nobody on. You'll never see that again.
And Michael Chavis is must watch TV. He hits the ball a long way. That 502 foot Ted Williams HR at Fenway is in jeopardy as far as being the record holder because when Chavis gets a hold of one, he gets a hold of one.
Hate to say it, but at this point Pedroia can take his time coming back.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 4, 2019 22:46:58 GMT -5
Best all around game of the season. Amazing 3rd inning. 10 straight hits with 2 outs and nobody on. You'll never see that again. And Michael Chavis is must watch TV. He hits the ball a long way. That 502 foot Ted Williams HR at Fenway is in jeopardy as far as being the record holder because when Chavis gets a hold of one, he gets a hold of one. Hate to say it, but at this point Pedroia can take his time coming back. Ted Williams homerun will still be the record even if Chavis hits 500+ bombs. They only count the homeruns that stay in the ballpark that go 500 feet. Chavis will be dead pulling homeruns over 500 feet over the monster. I'm sure Manny Ramirez has already broken Ted Williams a few times at Fenway already over the monster.
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Post by patford on May 4, 2019 22:54:55 GMT -5
Best all around game of the season. Amazing 3rd inning. 10 straight hits with 2 outs and nobody on. You'll never see that again. And Michael Chavis is must watch TV. He hits the ball a long way. That 502 foot Ted Williams HR at Fenway is in jeopardy as far as being the record holder because when Chavis gets a hold of one, he gets a hold of one. Hate to say it, but at this point Pedroia can take his time coming back. Ted Williams homerun will still be the record even if Chavis hits 500+ bombs. They only count the homeruns that stay in the ballpark that go 500 feet. Chavis will be dead pulling homeruns over 500 feet over the monster. I'm sure Manny Ramirez has already broken Ted Williams a few times at Fenway already over the monster. Devers will be the one to hit a ball completely out of Fenway to right field. He hasn't even gotten warmed up yet.
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Post by James Dunne on May 4, 2019 23:04:08 GMT -5
Can’t Lakins do at least what Thornburg is doing? You mean pitch once or twice a week in blowouts, rather than get regular work and continue his development? That seems less than ideal. Your mop-up man shouldn't be a prospect. Now, if you wanted to argue that Josh Smith is a better fit for the role because of his ability to go multiple innings, I'd be inclined to hear that.
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Post by wildsox on May 4, 2019 23:18:40 GMT -5
Can’t Lakins do at least what Thornburg is doing? You mean pitch once or twice a week in blowouts, rather than get regular work and continue his development? That seems less than ideal. Your mop-up man shouldn't be a prospect. Now, if you wanted to argue that Josh Smith is a better fit for the role because of his ability to go multiple innings, I'd be inclined to hear that. Of course you don’t bring him up to mop-up. The only reason Thornburg isn’t getting regular work and pitching in blowouts is because of his performance. It doesn’t need to be that way. We can use someone to throw regularly and in close games. Why have 2 mop-up guys in Thornburg and Smith? If not Lakins why not Mejia?
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Post by manfred on May 4, 2019 23:21:55 GMT -5
Can’t Lakins do at least what Thornburg is doing? You mean pitch once or twice a week in blowouts, rather than get regular work and continue his development? That seems less than ideal. Your mop-up man shouldn't be a prospect. Now, if you wanted to argue that Josh Smith is a better fit for the role because of his ability to go multiple innings, I'd be inclined to hear that. Thornburg struck out four in 2 innings. I still think the dude could get it together. They can carry him a bit longer to see if he gets it together. Guy throws mid-90s; has a great curve; and he’s coming off a major injury. I don’t think Thornburg (or his replacement) makes a difference in their current record. If he can get his command back in the next month, he could make a difference later.
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Post by James Dunne on May 4, 2019 23:36:46 GMT -5
You mean pitch once or twice a week in blowouts, rather than get regular work and continue his development? That seems less than ideal. Your mop-up man shouldn't be a prospect. Now, if you wanted to argue that Josh Smith is a better fit for the role because of his ability to go multiple innings, I'd be inclined to hear that. Of course you don’t bring him up to mop-up. The only reason Thornburg isn’t getting regular work and pitching in blowouts is because of his performance. It doesn’t need to be that way. We can use someone to throw regularly and in close games. Why have 2 mop-up guys in Thornburg and Smith? If not Lakins why not Mejia? Yeah, I think that's all fair, so I mean I guess there are three parts here: Q1: Should Lakins be on the roster? A: I'd say no, because I don't think he's ready for a high-leverage role and I don't think you bring him up to pitch inconsistently. His spot on the 40-man makes him a good depth option for a weekend if there's an injury, but I think the time in Pawtucket is doing him good. Q2: Should Thornburg be on the roster? A: I'll cop out and give a "reasonable people can disagree" cliche. He's still getting strikeouts and he was once very, very good. But that was a very long time and a major injury ago and he doesn't seem to have the manager's confidence and at some point the dude's really just gotta stop giving up so many runs. Q3: If the answer to Q2 is "no" then who should be on the roster? A: Honestly, they're not getting enough work for the 7th and 8th bullpen guys and the bench is really thin, so I'd say Sam Travis or Mike Miller or Gorkys Hernandez. But if you want a pitcher who is better than Thornburg and you're not worried about screwing up the developmental path, Mejia would be fine I think. Tapia looked tough to hit when I saw him but his numbers haven't been outstanding.
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Post by patford on May 4, 2019 23:38:34 GMT -5
The thing with Thornburg is his stuff has been good. It's too soon to give up on him. I'd give him till the break. If he hasn't shown signs by then I'd give up.
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Post by ericmvan on May 4, 2019 23:44:55 GMT -5
Postgame show had Lin to the IL and Nunez recalled from rehab.
A serious roster squeeze is still a while off, though. Josh Smith has yet to pitch, so they'd probably be fine with 12 pitchers and 4 bench guys.
So the bell tolls for Nunez only when Pedroia and Holt are both healthy. That could be a few weeks at least.
Out of 298+ players with 50+ PA, Chavis ranks about 11th in wRC+, at 180. (I'm just inserting his updated numbers into the list at the start of the day.)
It turned out that Chavis ranked 9th in wRC+, minimum 50 PA. And now he's second to Bellinger at 221. He's up to .354 / .466 / .771.
Meanwhile, no one has mentioned that after two outs in the 3rd, 17 of the next 18 batters reached -- 12 hits, 3 walks, 2 ROE. And the sole out was made by Mookie.
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Post by telson13 on May 5, 2019 0:59:41 GMT -5
Haha, Devers makes a gold glove play to end the game. The perfect game. I am old enough to remember Craig Nettles not being great at 3B in his early seasons even after he got traded to the Yankees, he was more known for his bat. Not that it has anything to do with Rafi but guys can refine their defensive skills even when they more coveted for their bat. Boggs went from almost-butcher to very good, as well.
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Post by telson13 on May 5, 2019 1:02:30 GMT -5
Best all around game of the season. Amazing 3rd inning. 10 straight hits with 2 outs and nobody on. You'll never see that again. And Michael Chavis is must watch TV. He hits the ball a long way. That 502 foot Ted Williams HR at Fenway is in jeopardy as far as being the record holder because when Chavis gets a hold of one, he gets a hold of one. Hate to say it, but at this point Pedroia can take his time coming back. Missed the game to see “Endame,” and came home to this. The video here gives a great show of Chavis’s supreme bat speed: www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/26642179/what-boston-expect-rookie-slugger-michael-chavis
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Post by wildsox on May 5, 2019 1:32:21 GMT -5
Of course you don’t bring him up to mop-up. The only reason Thornburg isn’t getting regular work and pitching in blowouts is because of his performance. It doesn’t need to be that way. We can use someone to throw regularly and in close games. Why have 2 mop-up guys in Thornburg and Smith? If not Lakins why not Mejia? Yeah, I think that's all fair, so I mean I guess there are three parts here: Q1: Should Lakins be on the roster? A: I'd say no, because I don't think he's ready for a high-leverage role and I don't think you bring him up to pitch inconsistently. His spot on the 40-man makes him a good depth option for a weekend if there's an injury, but I think the time in Pawtucket is doing him good. Q2: Should Thornburg be on the roster? A: I'll cop out and give a "reasonable people can disagree" cliche. He's still getting strikeouts and he was once very, very good. But that was a very long time and a major injury ago and he doesn't seem to have the manager's confidence and at some point the dude's really just gotta stop giving up so many runs. Q3: If the answer to Q2 is "no" then who should be on the roster? A: Honestly, they're not getting enough work for the 7th and 8th bullpen guys and the bench is really thin, so I'd say Sam Travis or Mike Miller or Gorkys Hernandez. But if you want a pitcher who is better than Thornburg and you're not worried about screwing up the developmental path, Mejia would be fine I think. Tapia looked tough to hit when I saw him but his numbers haven't been outstanding. Great response. All great points to take in consideration. I’ve always been a big supporter of Thornburg but now he’s given up runs in 4 straight appearances and 6 of his last 8 and instead of getting better each time out he’s been a mixed bag each time. His stuff has looked good but all it takes is 1 bad pitch down the middle to ruin all his success in each at bat. Tonight was a good example, he was very close to having a good, clean outing but then made a mistake and a good hitter takes it out of the ballpark. I guess my point was is it time to start taking a look at other options, whoever that may be?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 5, 2019 5:36:58 GMT -5
You mean pitch once or twice a week in blowouts, rather than get regular work and continue his development? That seems less than ideal. Your mop-up man shouldn't be a prospect. Now, if you wanted to argue that Josh Smith is a better fit for the role because of his ability to go multiple innings, I'd be inclined to hear that. Thornburg struck out four in 2 innings. I still think the dude could get it together. They can carry him a bit longer to see if he gets it together. Guy throws mid-90s; has a great curve; and he’s coming off a major injury. I don’t think Thornburg (or his replacement) makes a difference in their current record. If he can get his command back in the next month, he could make a difference later. From what I observed from even this Thornburg outing, he was leaving a bunch of pitches over the middle and half the white sox hitters just swung right through them. He just doesn't appear to be the same guy after the injury, similar to Matt Harvey. I feel bad for the dude and he should get a chance elsewhere if he gets DFA'd, but it's hard to carry a guy who can't stay out of the middle of the plate. Hembree is a guy who has a tendency to do this from time to time, but not all the time. He changes eye levels and goes up with the fastball and down with the slider and curveball when he's going good. Thornburg hasn't even to shown to be even be like Heath Hembree yet. His change up and curveball would be a weapon if he could go up in the zone a lot and hit some corners, but again, it's not happening. Hasn't happened since spring training started.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 5, 2019 5:55:27 GMT -5
what is that, 9 straight hits against the same pitcher? i wonder if that's a record.. 10 straight and I don't know. Hasn't happened in 9 years apparently, not a record though.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 5, 2019 6:01:49 GMT -5
Chavis really lengthens the lineup. When your first 6 hitters are Benny, Mookie, JDM, Xander, Devers, and Chavis that's pretty formidable. Moreland is a pretty good 7 hole hitter to have, and Vazquez is hitting this year (with some power to boot).
Now if JBJ can step up from arguably one of the worst starts in Red Sox history, that would be great.
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Post by GyIantosca on May 5, 2019 6:08:52 GMT -5
I love it , the media the Red Sox have the 30 ranked minor league system. We bring up one guy Chavis and he is kicking ass from the minor leagues. Keep talking about our system. You can have all these guys ranked in the top 100 but it’s just looks good on paper . I rather have one guy that can graduate and produce. They never have a ranking for that.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on May 5, 2019 6:13:00 GMT -5
Also, Chavis looks really good at first base. It looks weird because he's short. First base is one of the few positions in baseball where I discriminate a little and prefer a big target (just like a QB in football), but regardless he picks balls out of the dirt really well. I only like bigger first baseman because the other infielders have a bigger target and more area to throw to, but Chavis can play the position well despite that fact.
Hopefully this makes Devers a better thrower or something knowing he has a smaller target to throw to. A guy like Pedrioa and Xander you don't worry so much. There usually always on target with their throws.
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