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5/24-5/26 Red Sox @ Astros Series Thread
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 25, 2019 22:47:31 GMT -5
Again. A well deserved loss. When you strand a small village 2 games in a row you get what you deserve. We don't have hitters capable of hitting bloopers into the OF like Tyler White did Hearing about luck gets old. It's like if the Red Sox win, it's because they're awesome but if they lose it's because the other team got lucky. Most teams get the bloop hits when they win and make the 400 foot outs when they lose. It's the nature of the game. The Red Sox, as has been their habit lately, minimized their scoring given their opportunities and it cost them the game. Yesterday it was more limited offense and terrible defense.
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Post by grandsalami on May 25, 2019 23:04:54 GMT -5
The team is 9-12 vs teams +.500 and 18-12 vs teams below .500.
Those trends keep up and we won’t even sniff 90 wins.
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Post by grandsalami on May 25, 2019 23:29:15 GMT -5
Our “hot” stretch this month got us a ZERO game improvement in the standings
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Post by radiohix on May 25, 2019 23:46:11 GMT -5
We don't have hitters capable of hitting bloopers into the OF like Tyler White did Hearing about luck gets old. It's like if the Red Sox win, it's because they're awesome but if they lose it's because the other team got lucky. Most teams get the bloop hits when they win and make the 400 foot outs when they lose. It's the nature of the game. The Red Sox, as has been their habit lately, minimized their scoring given their opportunities and it cost them the game. Yesterday it was more limited offense and terrible defense. You know what gets old? It's your constant "have IT, don't have IT factor". That's why I don't read Shaughnessy and the likes who made a career for themselves churning that kind of crap. It's always the same with you and your glass half empty 400 words takes, always obsessed with how the other team (mainly the MFY) is so good like we're an AAAA team. It was constant and annoying all season long last year to the point where I'm asking myself Does this guy enjoy watching Red Sox baseball? - Team starts hot: Your take "Are they peaking early"? - Team loses the cushion and MFY get back: Your take "See? I told you they peaked early and now I'm scared the MFY are gonna run with it" - Team loses first 2 games in the clincher series in NY: Your take "They ruined it! I wanted them to win the Division in NY (or the toilet as you call it). And let's not talk about every single playoffs Series when you were worried about the next opponent like they were the big red machine or something. I guess it's a different type of fandom that we have. I prefer to think that my guys are the best out there and they're going to steam roll any opponent they face and be genuinely surprised when they don't while you, and many others here, prefer worrying about this team wins total 3 months from now. It's different life philosophy maybe.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 26, 2019 0:19:55 GMT -5
Hearing about luck gets old. It's like if the Red Sox win, it's because they're awesome but if they lose it's because the other team got lucky. Most teams get the bloop hits when they win and make the 400 foot outs when they lose. It's the nature of the game. The Red Sox, as has been their habit lately, minimized their scoring given their opportunities and it cost them the game. Yesterday it was more limited offense and terrible defense. You know what gets old? It's your constant "have IT, don't have IT factor". That's why I don't read Shaughnessy and the likes who made a career for themselves churning that kind of crap. It's always the same with you and your glass half empty 400 words takes, always obsessed with how the other team (mainly the MFY) is so good like we're an AAAA team. It was constant and annoying all season long last year to the point where I'm asking myself Does this guy enjoy watching Red Sox baseball? - Team starts hot: Your take "Are they peaking early"? - Team loses the cushion and MFY get back: Your take "See? I told you they peaked early and now I'm scared the MFY are gonna run with it" - Team loses first 2 games in the clincher series in NY: Your take "They ruined it! I wanted them to win the Division in NY (or the toilet as you call it). And let's not talk about every single playoffs Series when you were worried about the next opponent like they were the big red machine or something. I guess it's a different type of fandom that we have. I prefer to think that my guys are the best out there and they're going to steam roll any opponent they face and be genuinely surprised when they don't while you, and many others here, prefer worrying about this team wins total 3 months from now. It's different life philosophy maybe. I don't prefer to think that "my guys" are the best out there and are going to steamroll their opponents unless they really are far superior to their opponents and I think that's what they're going to do. I'd rather be surprised when they win than devastated if they lose but frankly I don't look at baseball as a "Red Sox fan". The Yankees and Astros should have beaten the Red Sox last year, particularly the Astros who had the most talent in all of baseball. Unless you're a Red Sox fan you would have thought the Red Sox were in big trouble heading into NY tied at 1-1 and unless you're a Red Sox homer you would have thought the Astros would be favored going against the Red Sox last year. It wasn't unreasonable to think that way. Outside of a lot of Red Sox fans, many national media thought the Sox were in trouble. To the Red Sox everlasting credit, they shoved that down everybody's throat. Good for them. I won't say "us" or "we" like you do because I don't personally play for the Red Sox. I just merely root for them. And the Dodgers HAD the Red Sox until they totally choked. (BTW, had the Brewers beaten the Dodgers, I doubt they would have even sniffed a win in any of the games against the Sox.) That's their front office's fault with the "can't pitch Baez, must rest Urias" non-sense. When the Dodgers choked away Game 4, then yeah, late to the party, I was convinced the Sox would win Game 5. The 2018 Red Sox had the balls to come back from a brutal Game 3 loss, but after what the Sox did to the Dodgers in Game 4, I knew the Dodgers weren't going to recover. I don't look at baseball as in "The Red Sox are my guys so OF COURSE they're going to win". That's Yankee fan hubris, which is nauseating. If I think the Red Sox are going to win I say so. And BTW, if I think they're going to win 93 games, then I guess I must think they're going to do a lot of winning between now and the end of the season. .600 ball over a 110 game stretch is strong solid baseball. If I don't the Sox are going to win I would say so as well. I think the Red Sox are going to be a post-season team, even with that crappy 27-25 start. They're better than that. That's not the Red Sox fan in me talking. That's just logic based on the talent they have. And yeah, I do give a crap more about their win total 3 months from now than I do now. Why shouldn't I? 27-25 doesn't mean anywhere near as much as 93-69 or whatever record they have at the time does. I suppose it is a different life philosophy, but rest assured I enjoy Red Sox baseball every bit as much as you do. If losing bothered me to the point I couldn't take it I wouldn't be back the next day, so in the heat of the moment I can be annoyed about a loss, but when all is said and done I'm ready for more. 1986 couldn't destroy me. 2003 didn't, and 2011 sure as hell didn't, so their disappointing early season mediocrity certainly isn't going to break my fandom. And 2004, 2007, 2013, and 2018 mean more to me than anything outside of my family. The Sox will do better, but I question if it'll be good enough to finish 1st or if that will even matter in the long run. And that is hardly an unreasonable take. Expecting them to win the division is not a reasonable take. It could happen, it's not impossible - the 1988 Red Sox overturned a 10 game deficit, but expecting it to happen? I'll leave it to the guys who think, "They're MY guys, so of course, they're gonna win!"
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on May 26, 2019 5:08:28 GMT -5
You know what gets old? It's your constant "have IT, don't have IT factor". That's why I don't read Shaughnessy and the likes who made a career for themselves churning that kind of crap. It's always the same with you and your It's different life philosophy maybe. I don't prefer to think that "my guys" are the best out there and are going to steamroll their opponents unless they really are far superior to their opponents and I think that's what they're going to do. I'd rather be surprised when they win than devastated if they lose but frankly I don't look at baseball as a "Red Sox fan". The Yankees and Astros should have beaten e it to the guys who think, "They're MY guys, so of course, they're gonna win!" If they lose, just wait 'til next year ...
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Post by philsbosoxfan on May 26, 2019 6:16:24 GMT -5
I'm still of the opinion that on any given day, they are going to win or lose then the next day, they get to do it all over again.
For the most part, it's easier on my psych to just look at the header post on these game threads.
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Post by incandenza on May 26, 2019 6:47:36 GMT -5
You know what gets old? It's your constant "have IT, don't have IT factor". That's why I don't read Shaughnessy and the likes who made a career for themselves churning that kind of crap. It's always the same with you and your glass half empty 400 words takes, always obsessed with how the other team (mainly the MFY) is so good like we're an AAAA team. It was constant and annoying all season long last year to the point where I'm asking myself Does this guy enjoy watching Red Sox baseball? - Team starts hot: Your take "Are they peaking early"? - Team loses the cushion and MFY get back: Your take "See? I told you they peaked early and now I'm scared the MFY are gonna run with it" - Team loses first 2 games in the clincher series in NY: Your take "They ruined it! I wanted them to win the Division in NY (or the toilet as you call it). And let's not talk about every single playoffs Series when you were worried about the next opponent like they were the big red machine or something. I guess it's a different type of fandom that we have. I prefer to think that my guys are the best out there and they're going to steam roll any opponent they face and be genuinely surprised when they don't while you, and many others here, prefer worrying about this team wins total 3 months from now. It's different life philosophy maybe. I don't prefer to think that "my guys" are the best out there and are going to steamroll their opponents unless they really are far superior to their opponents and I think that's what they're going to do. I'd rather be surprised when they win than devastated if they lose but frankly I don't look at baseball as a "Red Sox fan". The Yankees and Astros should have beaten the Red Sox last year, particularly the Astros who had the most talent in all of baseball. Unless you're a Red Sox fan you would have thought the Red Sox were in big trouble heading into NY tied at 1-1 and unless you're a Red Sox homer you would have thought the Astros would be favored going against the Red Sox last year. It wasn't unreasonable to think that way. Outside of a lot of Red Sox fans, many national media thought the Sox were in trouble. To the Red Sox everlasting credit, they shoved that down everybody's throat. Good for them. I won't say "us" or "we" like you do because I don't personally play for the Red Sox. I just merely root for them. And the Dodgers HAD the Red Sox until they totally choked. (BTW, had the Brewers beaten the Dodgers, I doubt they would have even sniffed a win in any of the games against the Sox.) That's their front office's fault with the "can't pitch Baez, must rest Urias" non-sense. When the Dodgers choked away Game 4, then yeah, late to the party, I was convinced the Sox would win Game 5. The 2018 Red Sox had the balls to come back from a brutal Game 3 loss, but after what the Sox did to the Dodgers in Game 4, I knew the Dodgers weren't going to recover. I don't know, my attitude was that they had won 108 games last season and were the best team in baseball and it was weird to me that the conventional wisdom was that the Astros were favored in that series, and then the Red Sox steamrolled them (as they had New York, who they were also better than). Seems strange to try to justify the conventional wisdom view even in retrospect. As for saying the Dodgers "HAD" the Red Sox until they choked... I have no idea what that even means. Like, I don't know what to even argue with there. The Red Sox took a 2-0 series lead. Then the Dodgers won a game. Then the Red Sox won the series in 5. So... yeah. Anyway, my take is that the Red Sox are a very good and competitive team, though they are up against a couple of other very good teams in the Yankees and Astros. Fangraphs gives them a 76% chance of making the playoffs, and the 3rd-best chance of any AL team to win the World Series. I don't really see any reason those odds are wrong.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 26, 2019 8:15:21 GMT -5
How many angels can dance on the head of a one-run ballgame?
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 26, 2019 8:17:28 GMT -5
I don't prefer to think that "my guys" are the best out there and are going to steamroll their opponents unless they really are far superior to their opponents and I think that's what they're going to do. I'd rather be surprised when they win than devastated if they lose but frankly I don't look at baseball as a "Red Sox fan". The Yankees and Astros should have beaten the Red Sox last year, particularly the Astros who had the most talent in all of baseball. Unless you're a Red Sox fan you would have thought the Red Sox were in big trouble heading into NY tied at 1-1 and unless you're a Red Sox homer you would have thought the Astros would be favored going against the Red Sox last year. It wasn't unreasonable to think that way. Outside of a lot of Red Sox fans, many national media thought the Sox were in trouble. To the Red Sox everlasting credit, they shoved that down everybody's throat. Good for them. I won't say "us" or "we" like you do because I don't personally play for the Red Sox. I just merely root for them. And the Dodgers HAD the Red Sox until they totally choked. (BTW, had the Brewers beaten the Dodgers, I doubt they would have even sniffed a win in any of the games against the Sox.) That's their front office's fault with the "can't pitch Baez, must rest Urias" non-sense. When the Dodgers choked away Game 4, then yeah, late to the party, I was convinced the Sox would win Game 5. The 2018 Red Sox had the balls to come back from a brutal Game 3 loss, but after what the Sox did to the Dodgers in Game 4, I knew the Dodgers weren't going to recover. I don't know, my attitude was that they had won 108 games last season and were the best team in baseball and it was weird to me that the conventional wisdom was that the Astros were favored in that series, and then the Red Sox steamrolled them (as they had New York, who they were also better than). Seems strange to try to justify the conventional wisdom view even in retrospect. As for saying the Dodgers "HAD" the Red Sox until they choked... I have no idea what that even means. Like, I don't know what to even argue with there. The Red Sox took a 2-0 series lead. Then the Dodgers won a game. Then the Red Sox won the series in 5. So... yeah. Anyway, my take is that the Red Sox are a very good and competitive team, though they are up against a couple of other very good teams in the Yankees and Astros. Fangraphs gives them a 76% chance of making the playoffs, and the 3rd-best chance of any AL team to win the World Series. I don't really see any reason those odds are wrong. It meant that the Dodgers, who hadn't blown a 4 run lead during the season, should have won Game 4. First misstep was the Roberts/Hill miscommunication. Pulling him made no sense. Making even less sense was not having Urias available to pitch the 7th when the Sox, other than the useless Kinsler, had nothing but lefty bats on the bench. They also were "resting" Baez, their other best setup arm. Contrast that with how Cora was managing and you see the difference. And as far as this season, I agree with Fangraphs. I think the Sox WILL make the playoffs. And their 3rd best chances sounds about right depending upon how healthy Snell and Glasnow wind up being for TB. Either way, I would be surprised if the Sox don't make the playoffs. They should. Other than NY and Houston and arguably TB, they're better than all the rest of the teams, although I freely admit that I have no idea how good Minnesota is. I haven't really seen them enough to know and they don't have a long enough track record over the past season or two for me to really believe in them yet. Other than Tito, I'm not really impressed with Cleveland and while I think Oakland will be better, that rotation is really unimpressive.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on May 26, 2019 8:23:21 GMT -5
I don't know, my attitude was that they had won 108 games last season and were the best team in baseball and it was weird to me that the conventional wisdom was that the Astros were favored in that series, and then the Red Sox steamrolled them (as they had New York, who they were also better than). Seems strange to try to justify the conventional wisdom view even in retrospect. As for saying the Dodgers "HAD" the Red Sox until they choked... I have no idea what that even means. Like, I don't know what to even argue with there. The Red Sox took a 2-0 series lead. Then the Dodgers won a game. Then the Red Sox won the series in 5. So... yeah. Anyway, my take is that the Red Sox are a very good and competitive team, though they are up against a couple of other very good teams in the Yankees and Astros. Fangraphs gives them a 76% chance of making the playoffs, and the 3rd-best chance of any AL team to win the World Series. I don't really see any reason those odds are wrong. It meant that the Dodgers, who hadn't blown a 4 run lead during the season, should have won Game 4. First misstep was the Roberts/Hill miscommunication. Pulling him made no sense. Making even less sense was not having Urias available to pitch the 7th when the Sox, other than the useless Kinsler, had nothing but lefty bats on the bench. They also were "resting" Baez, their other best setup arm. Contrast that with how Cora was managing and you see the difference.And as far as this season, I agree with Fangraphs. I think the Sox WILL make the playoffs. And their 3rd best chances sounds about right depending upon how healthy Snell and Glasnow wind up being for TB. Either way, I would be surprised if the Sox don't make the playoffs. They should. Other than NY and Houston and arguably TB, they're better than all the rest of the teams, although I freely admit that I have no idea how good Minnesota is. I haven't really seen them enough to know and they don't have a long enough track record over the past season or two for me to really believe in them yet. Other than Tito, I'm not really impressed with Cleveland and while I think Oakland will be better, that rotation is really unimpressive. Oh yeah, he was ruthless in deploying the unstoppable bullpen weapon known as Joe Kelly.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on May 26, 2019 9:14:54 GMT -5
It meant that the Dodgers, who hadn't blown a 4 run lead during the season, should have won Game 4. First misstep was the Roberts/Hill miscommunication. Pulling him made no sense. Making even less sense was not having Urias available to pitch the 7th when the Sox, other than the useless Kinsler, had nothing but lefty bats on the bench. They also were "resting" Baez, their other best setup arm. Contrast that with how Cora was managing and you see the difference.And as far as this season, I agree with Fangraphs. I think the Sox WILL make the playoffs. And their 3rd best chances sounds about right depending upon how healthy Snell and Glasnow wind up being for TB. Either way, I would be surprised if the Sox don't make the playoffs. They should. Other than NY and Houston and arguably TB, they're better than all the rest of the teams, although I freely admit that I have no idea how good Minnesota is. I haven't really seen them enough to know and they don't have a long enough track record over the past season or two for me to really believe in them yet. Other than Tito, I'm not really impressed with Cleveland and while I think Oakland will be better, that rotation is really unimpressive. Oh yeah, he was ruthless in deploying the unstoppable bullpen weapon known as Joe Kelly. You totally missed my point Fenway. Cora was using the rover and it was an open question to how much impact it would have on their starts deploying him the way they did. The point was that the Red Sox starters were raising their hands demanding to go in and Cora was open to it. Contrast that with the Dodgers FO (I'm not even blaming Roberts) who decided that they must rest their relievers. During the most crucial games of the year. It's like the Dodgers were saving them for God knows what - spring training 2019? Who the hell knows? My point had nothing to do with Joe Kelly suddenly putting it all together for a week, but Cora was a part of that too. They gave Kelly a huge checklist of changes he had to make, things he had to buy into, and he did. Does that explain him having the stretch of his life? Maybe. Maybe not. But it's not like Cora said just keep doing what you're doing and you'll be out there. Cora is smarter than that.
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Post by carmenfanzone on May 26, 2019 12:00:24 GMT -5
Seriously, Nunez at shortstop today? I thought they were going to activate Holt.
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Post by station13 on May 26, 2019 12:13:23 GMT -5
Let's no beat ourselves like the last two games.
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Post by Guidas on May 26, 2019 12:45:46 GMT -5
Seriously, Nunez at shortstop today? I thought they were going to activate Holt. There is zero reason for Nuñez to even be on this team. He is a sunk cost disguised as a black hole.
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Post by kevfc89 on May 26, 2019 13:28:40 GMT -5
more great defense from our guys
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Post by cutz on May 26, 2019 13:29:10 GMT -5
What kind of weak throw was that by Nunez? He should've thrown him out easily.
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Post by jbuttah on May 26, 2019 13:31:13 GMT -5
What kind of weak throw was that by Nunez? He should've thrown him out easily. EASILY. Instead it wasn't even close.
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Post by kevfc89 on May 26, 2019 13:34:27 GMT -5
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Post by 180054giant on May 26, 2019 13:37:34 GMT -5
Vazquez still should have picked the poor throw. Drops it and then a passed ball the next AB
This is the least fundamentally sound Sox team I can remember.
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Post by station13 on May 26, 2019 13:39:14 GMT -5
Prepared for the WC game at this point.
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Post by 180054giant on May 26, 2019 13:49:52 GMT -5
If Vazquez catches & frames that it’s strike 3
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Post by station13 on May 26, 2019 13:51:11 GMT -5
If Vazquez catches & frames that it’s strike 3 the way he caught it looks like he was surprised by it.
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Post by 180054giant on May 26, 2019 14:14:35 GMT -5
Hey we played some defense
Great grab & throw
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on May 26, 2019 14:15:50 GMT -5
Pedro....that was All Star level stuff from Devers....which I know you are rooting for.
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