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David Ortiz shot in the DR
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Post by telson13 on Jun 10, 2019 16:56:36 GMT -5
I'm not crying - you're crying! I follow Pedro’s IG and that was the first I’d seen of the news. Papi’s such a wonderful guy and he’s done SO much, from his contributions to the organization on the field, to rallying Boston after the bombings, to all of his charity work in the DR. No matter how big-hearted one is, though, there’s always someone who will hate you for it, because theirs is so small. I’m so sad right now and...disillusioned. Gunshots to the abdomen are really awful. That he came out of surgery ok is a fantastic thing...there’s always the immediate risk of bleeding/trauma. But the thing that *really* scares me is that injuries to the GI tract carry very, very serious risk of peritonitis (inflammation of the thin layer of tissue that coats the outside of our innards), which is life-threatening. He’s just started facing the most difficult part of his ordeal, and I’m scared for David and all those who love him, which is a LOT of us. I’m glad he’s coming back to the US, and MGH especially, because it’s an incredible institution. I just want him to be well. I don’t want to even imagine a world without Papi.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 10, 2019 19:47:29 GMT -5
Alex Speier @alexspeier 2h2 hours ago
According to a Team spokesperson, the air ambulance has taken off from the Dominican and Ortiz is indeed now flying to Boston.
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 10, 2019 23:17:23 GMT -5
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Post by hammerhead on Jun 11, 2019 2:15:19 GMT -5
These two men (Pedro and Papi) have done so much for me personally. Days when I was in the throws of depression or addiction where they made me smile or simply made me want to see what they would do tomorrow. I have a love for both of them and even though I've never met either, my heart is with them. Maybe it's how my mom felt about Clemente growing up in Pittsburgh or how my dad felt about Yaz and then Rice, but it feels more than just fandom. I feel like a close friend is in the hospital right now.
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Post by marrcus on Jun 11, 2019 3:06:33 GMT -5
The British tab story is interesting. I have to say that the first thoughts I had after eliminating robbery as motivation was it had to be one of the traditional causes. Which would be a. money (a debt of some kind)or b. passion (some involvement with another woman resulting in problems).
Odd though that the shooter didn't fatally wound Ortiz --firing only one shot-- and you would think that was likely the plan? Another oddity is that the two hitmen were also described as 'cops.'
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 11, 2019 5:24:49 GMT -5
The British tab story is interesting. I have to say that the first thoughts I had after eliminating robbery as motivation was it had to be one of the traditional causes. Which would be a. money (a debt of some kind)or b. passion (some involvement with another woman resulting in problems). Odd though that the shooter didn't fatally wound Ortiz --firing only one shot-- and you would think that was likely the plan? Another oddity is that the two hitmen were also described as 'cops.' It’s not an oddity for cops to be hit men in a countries like the Dominican or Mexico where drug lords reign supreme. They are beautiful countries where the majority of the people are caring fun loving individuals but they are extremely dangerous places with very little security. The corruption is vast.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 11, 2019 12:02:22 GMT -5
weei.radio.com/blogs/alex-reimer/david-ortiz-shooting-police-say-ortiz-may-have-been-involved-hit-job"Authorities are now saying David Ortiz may have fallen victim to a premeditated attack, though they are unsure if he was the intended target. Dominican police spokesman Frank Felix Duran told CBS News it looks like Ortiz may have been the target of a hit job. But the possibility also exists that a member of Ortiz’s entourage Sunday, urban singer Secreto, may have been the man whom the gunman was looking for." Hard to believe it was a case of mistaken identity, but that's being looked at as a possibility, too?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 11, 2019 12:25:16 GMT -5
weei.radio.com/blogs/alex-reimer/david-ortiz-shooting-police-say-ortiz-may-have-been-involved-hit-job"Authorities are now saying David Ortiz may have fallen victim to a premeditated attack, though they are unsure if he was the intended target. Dominican police spokesman Frank Felix Duran told CBS News it looks like Ortiz may have been the target of a hit job. But the possibility also exists that a member of Ortiz’s entourage Sunday, urban singer Secreto, may have been the man whom the gunman was looking for." Hard to believe it was a case of mistaken identity, but that's being looked at as a possibility, too? I can't imagine someone confused who David Ortiz was. Not only that, but I doubt they just ran in without a plan and knowing who was sitting where. As far as why the gut? My guess, it was to send a message. I feel like the drug lord probably didn't care if he lived or died, but wanted Ortiz to know he messed up. A bullet to the head wouldn't convey that. Maybe I'm wrong and the gunman got nervous and tried to just quickly fire and leave. Considering how pretty they left him I'm sure he knew ahead of time what the risk was of getting caught. Edit: report also states the gunman was under the influence of alcohol, but no word as to how much or if there were other drugs which means his judgement on where to shoot could have been impaired.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 11, 2019 13:09:39 GMT -5
weei.radio.com/blogs/alex-reimer/david-ortiz-shooting-police-say-ortiz-may-have-been-involved-hit-job"Authorities are now saying David Ortiz may have fallen victim to a premeditated attack, though they are unsure if he was the intended target. Dominican police spokesman Frank Felix Duran told CBS News it looks like Ortiz may have been the target of a hit job. But the possibility also exists that a member of Ortiz’s entourage Sunday, urban singer Secreto, may have been the man whom the gunman was looking for." Hard to believe it was a case of mistaken identity, but that's being looked at as a possibility, too? I can't imagine someone confused who David Ortiz was. Not only that, but I doubt they just ran in without a plan and knowing who was sitting where. As far as why the gut? My guess, it was to send a message. I feel like the drug lord probably didn't care if he lived or died, but wanted Ortiz to know he messed up. A bullet to the head wouldn't convey that. Maybe I'm wrong and the gunman got nervous and tried to just quickly fire and leave. Considering how pretty they left him I'm sure he knew ahead of time what the risk was of getting caught. Edit: report also states the gunman was under the influence of alcohol, but no word as to how much or if there were other drugs which means his judgement on where to shoot could have been impaired. Where did you see that?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 11, 2019 13:27:57 GMT -5
I can't imagine someone confused who David Ortiz was. Not only that, but I doubt they just ran in without a plan and knowing who was sitting where. As far as why the gut? My guess, it was to send a message. I feel like the drug lord probably didn't care if he lived or died, but wanted Ortiz to know he messed up. A bullet to the head wouldn't convey that. Maybe I'm wrong and the gunman got nervous and tried to just quickly fire and leave. Considering how pretty they left him I'm sure he knew ahead of time what the risk was of getting caught. Edit: report also states the gunman was under the influence of alcohol, but no word as to how much or if there were other drugs which means his judgement on where to shoot could have been impaired. Where did you see that? Garcia was apparently under the influence of alcohol.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jun 11, 2019 13:36:27 GMT -5
Ok. Thanks. I'm still confused about a couple of things. This Garcia punk - the article states it's unknown if he was the shooter or was driving the getaway vehicle. I've seen it mentioned both ways. Wonder which it is. The other thing is the UK article that theorized that a drug lord hired two cops to do the shooting. This guy, especially with his record for drugs, doesn't strike me as a corrupt police officer. With his tattoos, he looks more like a gang member than a police officer. And yeah, if these losers were under the influence, then maybe it was a case of mistaken identity? Kind of hard to believe but more possible than I would have previously thought?
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 11, 2019 13:39:04 GMT -5
Despite what TV and movies would have you believe, the vast majority of people who are willing to kill for money are, for lack of a better term, idiot losers. Not that it particularly matters anyway, but any questions of intent are best filtered through the assumption that this guy was, in fact, a total idiot loser. Being drunk at the time certainly squares with that theory.
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Post by radiohix on Jun 11, 2019 14:39:38 GMT -5
Man those last two days have been really tough! David ortiz is like family to me. I just love the dude, how can you not? Forget the amazing hitter, the clutch, all that...That laugh,those bear hugs, the charity work, just seeing him interacting with fans, other athletes is entertaining! I watch his reaction when JBJ hit that ALCS grand slam every time I get the chance, if I get it in my social media feed, I'm clicking heh. Papi's 09 slump introduce me to analytics trying to understand what's going on with my favorite player so he basically changed the way I look to the game since which is completely different. It's crazy how he's loved not only around Boston and New England but around baseball in general, I remember how the rays didn't plan anything for his retirement year and their players led by Longoria pressured them to change their plans. Again, two tough days where you don't think about baseball but about the man, his well being and his family. Get well papi, the rest, the why and how are just details that are secondary to me.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 11, 2019 15:42:15 GMT -5
Despite what TV and movies would have you believe, the vast majority of people who are willing to kill for money are, for lack of a better term, idiot losers. Not that it particularly matters anyway, but any questions of intent are best filtered through the assumption that this guy was, in fact, a total idiot loser. Being drunk at the time certainly squares with that theory. Yeah. If you want realism, trust the comedies, not the dramas. Veep, not House of Cards. Burn After Reading, not James Bond. Barry, not every dumb action movie about hitmen ever made. I feel like the world has been trying real hard to teach us this lesson over the last few years.
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Post by azblue on Jun 11, 2019 16:38:53 GMT -5
Garcia was a motorcycle taxi driver. His fare was the shooter. Not clear if Garcia knew what was going to happen.
How about this for a wild and crazy thought--wait until the facts are known before convicting Garcia, accusing David Ortiz of being involved with a woman other than his wife or having a dispute with a drug dealer.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 11, 2019 16:39:18 GMT -5
It's amazing to me how all these initial reports of serious incidents are almost always completely wrong or are completely changed over time. How does this get reported to anyone?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 11, 2019 23:44:53 GMT -5
The British tab story is interesting. I have to say that the first thoughts I had after eliminating robbery as motivation was it had to be one of the traditional causes. Which would be a. money (a debt of some kind)or b. passion (some involvement with another woman resulting in problems). Odd though that the shooter didn't fatally wound Ortiz --firing only one shot-- and you would think that was likely the plan? Another oddity is that the two hitmen were also described as 'cops.' It’s not an oddity for cops to be hit men in a countries like the Dominican or Mexico where drug lords reign supreme. They are beautiful countries where the majority of the people are caring fun loving individuals but they are extremely dangerous places with very little security. The corruption is vast. It's also not an oddity for American's to presume they know about life in third world countries.
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 12, 2019 5:31:52 GMT -5
It’s not an oddity for cops to be hit men in a countries like the Dominican or Mexico where drug lords reign supreme. They are beautiful countries where the majority of the people are caring fun loving individuals but they are extremely dangerous places with very little security. The corruption is vast. It's also not an oddity for American's to presume they know about life in third world countries. Knowing there’s corruption is not the same as knowing about life in the country. That’s akin to saying David Ortiz smiles a lot so I know he’s a good family man.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 12, 2019 5:44:27 GMT -5
That's what I saw on the video.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 12, 2019 5:58:41 GMT -5
What I don't understand is why only one bullet. Thank God for that but it doesn't make sense.
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Post by hammerhead on Jun 12, 2019 6:15:15 GMT -5
Various people have been detained in connection to the Ortiz shooting. According to top DR police officials
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Post by azblue on Jun 12, 2019 9:26:18 GMT -5
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Post by rjp313jr on Jun 12, 2019 10:13:56 GMT -5
Various people have been detained in connection to the Ortiz shooting. According to top DR police officials Why one bullet? Why not in the head? Until otherwise proven, I have to think the shooter either didn’t want to actually kill him or he was just really bad at his job.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 12, 2019 11:47:20 GMT -5
Probably no one cares about this, but I'm a big fan of his. (lead singer of Janes Addiction)
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Post by azblue on Jun 12, 2019 11:52:52 GMT -5
Globe update"While police haven’t formally identified the second suspect, the Dominican newspaper Listin Diario reported that his name is Oliver Moisés Mirabal Acosta, who received a 5-year prison sentence in May 2017 for illegal gun possession. That sentence stemmed from a quadruple murder in 2013 in Santo Domingo, and two other men received prison time in that case, Listin Diario reported. It wasn’t immediately clear why Acosta was back on the street Sunday or what he’s being charged with in the Ortiz shooting.
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