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6/21-6/23 Red Sox vs. Blue Jays Series Thread
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 21, 2019 22:21:49 GMT -5
Ottavino. I'm sure there's others I can look at and point to. Like how Vazuez was a terrible signing and the worst of the 3 catchers. He was last year. Like how Walden didn't deserve a 40 man roster spot last year if we are going to point to stuff said in the past?
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Post by dirtdog on Jun 21, 2019 22:22:03 GMT -5
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jun 21, 2019 22:23:07 GMT -5
Bottom of the 7th, down 5-1. Red Sox say no problem, just like it's 2018 again. This is a big win. I'm starting to see that swagger. Vazquez pretty much said the same thing
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jun 21, 2019 22:23:43 GMT -5
Workman quietly has put together an astounding first half of the year stats-wise.
38 games. 35 innings, only 11 hits - 6-1 record, 2 saves, 12 holds, 50 Ks, 1.77 ERA. Only the walks are the blemish...and he is back at 95 on the gun, making his curve devastating.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 21, 2019 22:24:09 GMT -5
Like how Vazuez was a terrible signing and the worst of the 3 catchers. He was last year. Like how Walden didn't deserve a 40 man roster spot last year if we are going to point to stuff said in the past? I may have said that (I don't remember) after seeing him once or twice and then got sent back down. I never said that about Vazquez because I followed him as a prospect for 5 years and watched every one of his major league games. But ok. BTW, did you argue with me about Walden or did you think it was reasonable?
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 21, 2019 22:25:05 GMT -5
Anybody know what's up with the Astros ? They've pretty much fallen off a cliff. Altuve and Springer are out and Correa always misses time.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 21, 2019 22:26:08 GMT -5
He was last year. Like how Walden didn't deserve a 40 man roster spot last year if we are going to point to stuff said in the past? I may have said that (I don't remember) after seeing him once or twice and then got sent back down. I never said that about Vazquez because I followed him as a prospect for 5 years and watched every one of his major league games. But ok. BTW, did you argue with me about Walden or did you think it was reasonable? Nope I agreed with you, but you seem to remember everything I get wrong and forget everything you get wrong. It's convenient. Whatever dude. I did the same with Vazquez.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 21, 2019 22:26:24 GMT -5
Yeah, but you’d have had to have picked JUST him. Of course some of those lower-cost guys are going to be worth it. But the percentages aren’t great. Didn’t you advocate for Brach? Look where he’s at. It’s not fair to retrospectively, out of 15-20 available guys, pick the one bargain and say “we coulda had him.” Spending money on the bullpen IS a mistake, for the most part. Most people argued for signing different high-end guys (I did too, tho with the intent to flip them and have guys like Brewer and Taylor et al in AAA ready to take their places), under the presumption this bullpen would be awful. They’re excellent, instead. Not “the best,” but within sniffing distance (~0.5 WAR) of it. Just like TB’s bullpenning/opener strategy last year, this is proof of viability of the volume/development approach. Ottavino. I'm sure there's others I can look at and point to. For 3/$27M? The lux tax hit on the highest threshold makes that more like $14M this year. Plus the penalties. I mean, it’s not a bad deal, but it’s expensive. You wanted to release Workman, and at 1/10th the cost, he’s been just as good. There’s simply no reasonable way to argue that 1) their bullpen is bad right now, or 2) their approach didn’t work. Hell, I 100% agree that Ottavino would make them better; I liked him too. But once they signed Eovaldi, that was it. It’s all overages and penalties. I mean, I advocated signing a few of those guys like Holland, Madsen, etc just for depth. But trying to ink Britton, Ottavino, Herrera, Soria etc...it’s super risky. You could’ve been stuck for 2/20-3/30, plus overages and draft penalties, for a guy who’s no better than the player you’d have DFA’d to make room...and is probably WAY worse. Lol, we’ll just end up going in circles though. Let’s both agree that adding a good, cost-controlled ‘pen arm **for the right price**, would really help this team. We can argue “the right price” when/if it happens. Until then, tho...enjoy Josh “95 from the left and no walks yet” Taylor!
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 21, 2019 22:26:55 GMT -5
Like how Vazuez was a terrible signing and the worst of the 3 catchers. He was last year. Like how Walden didn't deserve a 40 man roster spot last year if we are going to point to stuff said in the past? Every Red Sox prospect will always develop. You should have known this.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 21, 2019 22:28:43 GMT -5
I may have said that (I don't remember) after seeing him once or twice and then got sent back down. I never said that about Vazquez because I followed him as a prospect for 5 years and watched every one of his major league games. But ok. BTW, did you argue with me about Walden or did you think it was reasonable? Nope I agreed with you, but you seem to remember everything I get wrong and forget everything you get wrong. It's convenient. Whatever dude. I did the same with Vazquez. I think the main take-away here is that the Red Sox know what they're doing more than we do.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 21, 2019 22:29:35 GMT -5
Ottavino. I'm sure there's others I can look at and point to. Like how Vazuez was a terrible signing and the worst of the 3 catchers. That was me 🤣🤣🤣!!! Well, not the signing, but I def thought he was the C to trade (partly because of his deal, which is a good one). I’m SOOOO pumped on how totally off I was. He’s friggin’ awesome this year. I had him pegged for 1-2 WAR and he’s gonna double the high end of that.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 21, 2019 22:31:04 GMT -5
Anybody know what's up with the Astros ? They've pretty much fallen off a cliff. Altuve and Springer are out and Correa always misses time. Bogey>>Correa. Aside from the fact that he’s gonna go .300/.400/.550 with 30 HR and 50 doubles, Bogey’s also going to clear +10 defensive runs this year. And 7 WAR.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 21, 2019 22:31:22 GMT -5
Nope I agreed with you, but you seem to remember everything I get wrong and forget everything you get wrong. It's convenient. Whatever dude. I did the same with Vazquez. I think the main take-away here is that the Red Sox know what they're doing more than we do. They had a plan, but it doesn't always mean they were right to cheap out, which is my main point. Give me one more elite bullpen arm, even if it cost a pretty penny and call it a day.
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Post by jimed14 on Jun 21, 2019 22:32:38 GMT -5
Altuve and Springer are out and Correa always misses time. Bogey>>Correa. I actually feel bad that Xander didn't make the stupid All-Star vote thing that I don't even want to figure out. Hopefully, he just gets added because he deserves a spot. I don't feel like wasting my time voting against 10 year olds and bots.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 21, 2019 22:33:14 GMT -5
Altuve and Springer are out and Correa always misses time. Bogey>>Correa. Bogey has been something special this year. I’m glad he’s joining the elite of the elite short stops, especially after signing a contract extension.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Jun 21, 2019 22:34:13 GMT -5
1. I told you Vazquez was the best catcher on the roster.
2. The juiced ball, it's good now.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 21, 2019 22:35:25 GMT -5
Bogey has been something special this year. I’m glad he’s joining the elite of the elite short stops, especially after signing a contract extension. He's been a top 5 short stop (in value) since the beginning of 2016, I'm almost positive. He was always a elite short stop, he's just taken a step above that the past 2 years.
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Post by dirtdog on Jun 21, 2019 22:36:03 GMT -5
Bogey has been something special this year. I’m glad he’s joining the elite of the elite short stops, especially after signing a contract extension. Member the rumor this winter: Sox loved Lindor. Must have been a negotiation tactic.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jun 21, 2019 22:37:06 GMT -5
OPPO LIKE TACO What an unbelievable year Vazquez is having I'm glad I was wrong about him. Swihart was my guy, but Vazquez coming up I thought had a chance to be a guy with an empty average and be great defensively. I'm excited he's developing with both the glove and the bat. My feelings as well and Marcus Wilson has been impressive recently.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jun 21, 2019 22:39:18 GMT -5
Sox are playing like a play-off team, too bad this wildcard game will make us feel uneasy all year until it happens and until they play in it.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 21, 2019 22:39:28 GMT -5
Bogey has been something special this year. I’m glad he’s joining the elite of the elite short stops, especially after signing a contract extension. Along with the bullpen surprise, and given Chavis’s cooling off (though he’s def made some adjustments), Bogey’s post-extension continuation breakout building on last year (and all the years, really), is the highlight of this season. His run at my prediction, and seeing what Taylor, Brewer, et al do for the second half, is what has me really excited for the second half. I really think Bogey has an MVP in him, as tough as it is with Trout out there. He just seems so happy with where he’s at, in all the ways.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 21, 2019 22:40:25 GMT -5
Bogey has been something special this year. I’m glad he’s joining the elite of the elite short stops, especially after signing a contract extension. He's been a top 5 short stop (in value) since the beginning of 2016, I'm almost positive. He was always a elite short stop, he's just taken a step above that the past 2 years. Yeah, I get that. I just had him as a very good player, but not Seager or Correra or Lindor good. Now I feel comfortable saddling him to that list. I wonder if the contract is in Betts head? I hope the two sides can come to an agreement and maybe that takes some of the pressure off him? I mean, he still has an .850 OPS and tremendous defensively. He’s just not playing up to the MVP caliber that he’s capable of.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 21, 2019 22:40:47 GMT -5
1. I told you Vazquez was the best catcher on the roster. 2. The juiced ball, it's good now. 1) You did, vociferously. 2) Yes, yes it is. 3) bonus points for your avatar, always. Well-played, sir.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jun 21, 2019 22:41:46 GMT -5
I'm glad I was wrong about him. Swihart was my guy, but Vazquez coming up I thought had a chance to be a guy with an empty average and be great defensively. I'm excited he's developing with both the glove and the bat. My feelings as well and Marcus Wilson has been impressive recently. That’s the nice added bonus. Marcus Wilson looks like he could push for a starting job in a couple of years.
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Post by telson13 on Jun 21, 2019 22:43:22 GMT -5
He's been a top 5 short stop (in value) since the beginning of 2016, I'm almost positive. He was always a elite short stop, he's just taken a step above that the past 2 years. Yeah, I get that. I just had him as a very good player, but not Seager or Correra or Lindor good. Now I feel comfortable saddling him to that list. I wonder if the contract is in Betts head? I hope the two sides can come to an agreement and maybe that takes some of the pressure off him? I mean, he still has an .850 OPS and tremendous defensively. He’s just not playing up to the MVP caliber that he’s capable of. Good point. Bogey’s made no bones about how signing helped him, and that’s been echoed by guys around him. Mookie just needs to have fun and stop worrying about “what he’s worth.” He’ll get paid what he’s worth...he’s on the Red Sox.
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