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Post by jimed14 on Jul 13, 2019 17:00:14 GMT -5
He is at 249.1 innings now. He would have to pitch 90 innings for the Sox. He could make 14 starts. He would have to average about 6.5 inningds per start. This season he has averaged a little less than 6 innings per start. I think I'd bet the value of his option that it's not happening.
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Post by ramireja on Jul 13, 2019 17:05:50 GMT -5
For what its worth, Cashner has changed up (pun intended) his pitch mix this year a bit. His FB usage is down to 50.4% this year and has typically ranged between 60%-70% in previous years. His CH is being thrown 25.8% this year which is a career high and up from 13.3% last year. According to FG, he's having success doing so too....his CH pitch value (14.6) also represents a career high among all of his secondary pitches, and it might also be helping to keep guys off his FB which has a pitch value of roughly 0 which is up from -19.1 last year.
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Post by geostorm on Jul 13, 2019 17:14:33 GMT -5
per Sean McAdam -
"After obtaining Andrew Cashner and with the pending move of Eovaldi to bullpen, I asked Dombrowski if Red Sox might stand pat now. "We might,'' he said."
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Post by cdj on Jul 13, 2019 17:15:25 GMT -5
Can’t complain about this one at all
He represents a clear upgrade and he cost DSL guys not named Brainer. Works for me
Possibly has some bullpen potential come playoff time too
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 13, 2019 17:30:03 GMT -5
Can’t complain about this one at all He represents a clear upgrade and he cost DSL guys not named Brainer. Works for me Possibly has some bullpen potential come playoff time too Meh, Cashner is the last guy I want in the playoffs. The Sox needed someone stretched out though, so it works.
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Post by caseytins on Jul 13, 2019 17:30:51 GMT -5
This is a good signing. Cashner represents good value for what it cost IMHO
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Post by kevfc89 on Jul 13, 2019 17:36:36 GMT -5
obviously im fine with this. You can argue if Cashner is the right target or not, or if the Sox should have been willing to give a little more to get a little better pitcher, but the price is right.
Just hopefully neither of these two guys become Yordan Alvarez lol. He was just a DSL guy that the Dodgers traded for Josh Fields a few years back....now he already looks like one of the most dangerous young hitters in baseball.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 13, 2019 17:36:46 GMT -5
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 13, 2019 17:38:56 GMT -5
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Post by kevfc89 on Jul 13, 2019 17:48:03 GMT -5
also if teams were being unreasonable probably best to jump on a deal you can make
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 13, 2019 17:51:59 GMT -5
There's a solid chance that the Sox could be done, which isn't great and optimal for increasing your chances at the playoffs and a deep playoff run. Henry doesn't really want to spend money, so it is what it is.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 13, 2019 17:54:27 GMT -5
I can deal with this type of trades. The interesting part though is how the roster is gonna shape in the coming days with all these moving parts: Darwinson, Houck, Eovaldi... Should be interesting.
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Post by geostorm on Jul 13, 2019 17:57:37 GMT -5
per McAgam -
Cashner is due about $3.5 million for the rest of 2019. According to an industry source, the Red Sox will get approximately $1.8 million from BAL to cover more than half of his remaining base. Also, Orioles have agreed to cover "most'' of any performance bonuses Cashner earns.
per Speier
Assistant GM Eddie Romero on Noelberth Romero and Elio Prado, the 17-yr-olds the Sox traded to Baltimore: ‘I know these guys are far off, but it hurt. When they were coming up with these names, they weren’t guys that we were hoping they’d asked for...
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 13, 2019 18:05:47 GMT -5
Think about this for a minute. Cashner is 9-3 this year and Sale is 3-8. Pitching wins are so meaningful.
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Post by doctorduck21 on Jul 13, 2019 18:07:37 GMT -5
There's a solid chance that the Sox could be done, which isn't great and optimal for increasing your chances at the playoffs and a deep playoff run. Henry doesn't really want to spend money, so it is what it is. Don't the Red Sox have the highest payroll in baseball? Is that not spending money? I get that the team might not be built perfectly but after winning a championship and having the highest payroll two years in a row. I think the "not spending" complaint isn't valid
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 13, 2019 18:08:23 GMT -5
There's a solid chance that the Sox could be done, which isn't great and optimal for increasing your chances at the playoffs and a deep playoff run. Henry doesn't really want to spend money, so it is what it is. Don't the Red Sox have the highest payroll in baseball? Is that not spending money? I get that the team might not be built perfectly but after winning a championship and having the highest payroll two years in a row. I think the "not spending" complaint isn't valid They clearly don't want to spend the prospects. The money thing is absurd.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 13, 2019 18:08:36 GMT -5
There's a solid chance that the Sox could be done, which isn't great and optimal for increasing your chances at the playoffs and a deep playoff run. Henry doesn't really want to spend money, so it is what it is. With the addition of Cashner and the likely additions of Eovaldi, Houck, and Hernandez over the next week or so they're going to have to create 4 roster spots as it is. Are there more than 4 pitchers on the team you want replaced? Houck and Darwinzon should definitely get a look, but they are unproven. The only hope is that the stuff plays up and misses a ton of bats. Still, it's risky to hedge ALL bets on them. Eovaldi should be solid there though.
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 13, 2019 18:09:23 GMT -5
Josh Taylor has the best xwOBA in the bullpen, so he's going to be getting more leverage.
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Post by atzar on Jul 13, 2019 18:13:05 GMT -5
This is a good trade. If nothing else, we don't have to see TBD start anymore games this season. And in the best case, Cashner stays lucky and helps us win some games.
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Post by Smittyw on Jul 13, 2019 18:18:31 GMT -5
Think about this for a minute. Cashner is 9-3 this year and Sale is 3-8.
But how about their zodiac signs...?
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 13, 2019 18:20:30 GMT -5
Houck and Darwinzon should definitely get a look, but they are unproven. The only hope is that the stuff plays up and misses a ton of bats. Still, it's risky to hedge ALL bets on them. Eovaldi should be solid there though. Agree there's some risk to those two. From what I've heard and seen, I feel good about Darwinzon stepping up. Not real sure about Houck though. Still, that's Cashner and two live arms. I can see Velazquez and Brewer being somewhat easy calls, but not sure who gets the ax after that. Walden until September.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 13, 2019 19:17:02 GMT -5
One of the things I read said that, before the trade, a move to the bullpen for Cashner might work. Is there a chance that Eovaldi returns to the rotation in September?
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Jul 13, 2019 19:25:10 GMT -5
There's a solid chance that the Sox could be done, which isn't great and optimal for increasing your chances at the playoffs and a deep playoff run. Henry doesn't really want to spend money, so it is what it is. Henry and 99% of his fanbase.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 13, 2019 19:29:07 GMT -5
There's a solid chance that the Sox could be done, which isn't great and optimal for increasing your chances at the playoffs and a deep playoff run. Henry doesn't really want to spend money, so it is what it is. Henry and 99% of his fanbase. I'm not so sure about that. A lot of people wouldn't mind another reliever.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 13, 2019 19:31:05 GMT -5
One of the things I read said that, before the trade, a move to the bullpen for Cashner might work. Is there a chance that Eovaldi returns to the rotation in September? There's a good chance that happens if the Sox can build Eovaldi up through the bullpen. He'll probably start with 1-2 inning stints, then slowly to 3-4 inning stints. Then he may be starting right around September and going 5-6 innings by the end of September.
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