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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 16, 2019 13:26:32 GMT -5
Mixed feelings on this. I don't want Hernandez to be rushed and hurt his development. He needs more time. I look at it this way. If Hernandez struggles the next couple of weeks it increases the urgency for the Sox to deal for a reliever. If Hernandez looks like an answer then perhaps that stops them from making the move. I should say this is all in conjunction with Eovaldi's return. There's 15 days before the deadline passes so it'll be an audition for Eovaldi and Hernandez to see if they're the late inning high leverage arms they need. The Red Sox need two of them, particularly with Barnes struggling. When you stop and think about it, it's kind of crazy. Before the season the Sox were kind of banking on the high leverage innings going to Barnes and Brasier. I think Cora's original thought was to make Barnes the Andrew Miller of the Red Sox and make Brasier the traditional closer (Allen in this example), but here we are and Barnes is a mess now, don't know what to expect going forward, and Brasier pitched himself right into the minor leagues. Really at this point the only reliable constant has been Brandon Workman. Walden started off great but has hit a wall. Brewer and Taylor initially struggled but Taylor has pitched very well lately and Brewer has been a lot better. Hembree was a contributor but had his roll slowed by an injury. At this point I have no idea who the Sox will be able to rely on come August/September, and hopefully October in the bullpen. Of course I didn't know that Joe Kelly would be a October savior last year either. So for now it's Hernandez and Eovaldi as the key new additions? I know they're transitioning Houck but I wouldn't think that he'd be placed in key spots the way Hernandez might be?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 16, 2019 13:31:40 GMT -5
Mixed feelings on this. I don't want Hernandez to be rushed and hurt his development. He needs more time. I look at it this way. If Hernandez struggles the next couple of weeks it increases the urgency for the Sox to deal for a reliever. If Hernandez looks like an answer then perhaps that stops them from making the move. I should say this is all in conjunction with Eovaldi's return. There's 15 days before the deadline passes so it'll be an audition for Eovaldi and Hernandez to see if they're the late inning high leverage arms they need. The Red Sox need two of them, particularly with Barnes struggling. When you stop and think about it, it's kind of crazy. Before the season the Sox were kind of banking on the high leverage innings going to Barnes and Brasier. I think Cora's original thought was to make Barnes the Andrew Miller of the Red Sox and make Brasier the traditional closer (Allen in this example), but here we are and Barnes is a mess now, don't know what to expect going forward, and Brasier pitched himself right into the minor leagues. Really at this point the only reliable constant has been Brandon Workman. Walden started off great but has hit a wall. Brewer and Taylor initially struggled but Taylor has pitched very well lately and Brewer has been a lot better. Hembree was a contributor but had his roll slowed by an injury. At this point I have no idea who the Sox will be able to rely on come August/September, and hopefully October in the bullpen. Of course I didn't know that Joe Kelly would be a October savior last year either. So for now it's Hernandez and Eovaldi as the key new additions? I know they're transitioning Houck but I wouldn't think that he'd be placed in key spots the way Hernandez might be? Maybe, but I feel like Hernandez isn't getting slotted into Brasier's role, it's Hembree or Workman. I think he'll be used only when trailing or 6th inning situations.
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Post by patford on Jul 16, 2019 13:39:15 GMT -5
My understanding is Hernandez has tended to be very good in one inning stints. The fact is that if he can avoid walking guys his stuff is widely said to be exceptional.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 16, 2019 13:44:23 GMT -5
I look at it this way. If Hernandez struggles the next couple of weeks it increases the urgency for the Sox to deal for a reliever. If Hernandez looks like an answer then perhaps that stops them from making the move. I should say this is all in conjunction with Eovaldi's return. There's 15 days before the deadline passes so it'll be an audition for Eovaldi and Hernandez to see if they're the late inning high leverage arms they need. The Red Sox need two of them, particularly with Barnes struggling. When you stop and think about it, it's kind of crazy. Before the season the Sox were kind of banking on the high leverage innings going to Barnes and Brasier. I think Cora's original thought was to make Barnes the Andrew Miller of the Red Sox and make Brasier the traditional closer (Allen in this example), but here we are and Barnes is a mess now, don't know what to expect going forward, and Brasier pitched himself right into the minor leagues. Really at this point the only reliable constant has been Brandon Workman. Walden started off great but has hit a wall. Brewer and Taylor initially struggled but Taylor has pitched very well lately and Brewer has been a lot better. Hembree was a contributor but had his roll slowed by an injury. At this point I have no idea who the Sox will be able to rely on come August/September, and hopefully October in the bullpen. Of course I didn't know that Joe Kelly would be a October savior last year either. So for now it's Hernandez and Eovaldi as the key new additions? I know they're transitioning Houck but I wouldn't think that he'd be placed in key spots the way Hernandez might be? Maybe, but I feel like Hernandez isn't getting slotted into Brasier's role, it's Hembree or Workman. I think he'll be used only when trailing or 6th inning situations. Maybe to start with, but if he has a few good outings I can see Hernandez going to higher leverage situations. Honestly I can see him walking too many guys for that to happen just as easily. Workman, these days, is now functioning as the Red Sox closer so his 6th inning situations are probably over with for the time being. The Sox are using Brewer and Taylor more in those sitatations and Workman and Hembree are functioning more in the late inning duties, a thought that would have been very frightening last year at this time.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 16, 2019 13:44:34 GMT -5
Darwinzon Hernandez 2019 is the new Jonathan Papelbon 2005.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 16, 2019 13:47:20 GMT -5
Darwinzon Hernandez 2019 is the new Jonathan Papelbon 2005. Did Papelbon have control issues when he was called up? I don't recall that he did. Hernandez could wind up being more Craig Hansen 2005 than Papelbon if he doesn't throw enough strikes. I know his stuff is more Papelbon than Hansen. Just hope the results are more Papelbon than Hansen or Wild Thing Ricky Vaughn before his glasses.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Jul 16, 2019 14:28:42 GMT -5
Wow ..quite a bit of post AS break roster turmoil...suspect it will continue.
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Post by James Dunne on Jul 16, 2019 14:36:09 GMT -5
Darwinzon Hernandez 2019 is the new Jonathan Papelbon 2005. Did Papelbon have control issues when he was called up? I don't recall that he did. Hernandez could wind up being more Craig Hansen 2005 than Papelbon if he doesn't throw enough strikes. I know his stuff is more Papelbon than Hansen. Just hope the results are more Papelbon than Hansen or Wild Thing Ricky Vaughn before his glasses. Papelbon walked 10 guys in 16 innings in his three MLB starts. His control questions weren't at the same level, but it was definitely a concern. As was his efficiency and ability to go deep into games.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jul 16, 2019 15:22:16 GMT -5
Did Papelbon have control issues when he was called up? I don't recall that he did. Hernandez could wind up being more Craig Hansen 2005 than Papelbon if he doesn't throw enough strikes. I know his stuff is more Papelbon than Hansen. Just hope the results are more Papelbon than Hansen or Wild Thing Ricky Vaughn before his glasses. Papelbon walked 10 guys in 16 innings in his three MLB starts. His control questions weren't at the same level, but it was definitely a concern. As was his efficiency and ability to go deep into games. That's right. He was a starter when he first came up. It's coming back to me. I think he threw six scoreless innings or something like that against Minnesota in his debut. I think they made him a reliever later in that season. Him and they fast-tracked Hansen (too fast). I remember now. Schilling was the closer, along with Timlin, when he came back as a reliever because Foulke's knee was totally shot by then.
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Post by Guidas on Jul 16, 2019 18:27:58 GMT -5
Boom!
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Post by ianrs on Jul 16, 2019 18:28:17 GMT -5
Xander es en fuego!!
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Post by Smittyw on Jul 16, 2019 18:37:02 GMT -5
Xander is shoving!
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 16, 2019 18:45:10 GMT -5
Mixed feelings on this. I don't want Hernandez to be rushed and hurt his development. He needs more time. Screw that, as the owner of the Math of the Sox thread, you should know that every game is critical. If Brasier wants to pitch like a bum, then he doesn't belong up here. I'll take Darwinzon's SSS success in the bullpen and try that out until he proves he doesn't belong in a MLB bullpen. He probably won't see many, if any back to back appearances, so who cares? The Sox need as much talent as possible from this point on, and Darwinzon has plenty of that.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jul 16, 2019 18:46:05 GMT -5
That home run by Hernandez was an absolute blast 441 ft, but the inning never should have gotten to him. That "single" by galvis prob should have been an inning ending double play that went off Chavis's glove
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Post by cdj on Jul 16, 2019 18:51:33 GMT -5
That home run by Hernandez was an absolute blast 441 ft, but the inning never should have gotten to him. That "single" by galvis prob should have been an inning ending double play that went off Chavis's glove Wasn’t routine but I couldn’t help but think to myself that Moreland gets that easily
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Post by congusgambler33 on Jul 16, 2019 18:53:20 GMT -5
Keep hitting into those DP's. Nothing like picking off runners all the time. First inning single,DP,homer 1 run. any one really understand why they are where they are? they are one of the best at that.
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Post by nomar on Jul 16, 2019 18:54:08 GMT -5
No offense to my guy radiohix but that stuff had me chuckling yesterday
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Jul 16, 2019 18:54:24 GMT -5
That home run by Hernandez was an absolute blast 441 ft, but the inning never should have gotten to him. That "single" by galvis prob should have been an inning ending double play that went off Chavis's glove Was a wicked line drive by Galvis though. Cashner is fitting right in with the rest of the starting pitching staff with all the baserunners given up. He'll also fit in with this pitching staff's homerun problems too.
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Post by grandsalami on Jul 16, 2019 18:58:53 GMT -5
He will fit right in.
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Post by ianrs on Jul 16, 2019 19:13:28 GMT -5
I was waiting for the hot takes on how awful Cashner was after he gave up a few runs, like any normal 5th starter. Glad to see the gameday thread didn't let me down.
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Post by kevfc89 on Jul 16, 2019 19:26:18 GMT -5
Cy Waguespack
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Post by jimed14 on Jul 16, 2019 19:28:57 GMT -5
I wonder if the statcast got messed up on the Benintendi hit off his foot that was an out. What kind of joke is MLB if they can't review that?
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Post by soxfaninnj on Jul 16, 2019 19:31:05 GMT -5
Nice play by Chavis. Gotta love 5 pitch innings. Let’s go offense let’s get some runs
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 16, 2019 19:45:43 GMT -5
I see Cashner is making himself feel at home with this pitching staff.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Jul 16, 2019 19:48:16 GMT -5
Mixed feelings on this. I don't want Hernandez to be rushed and hurt his development. He needs more time. Screw that, as the owner of the Math of the Sox thread, you should know that every game is critical. If Brasier wants to pitch like a bum, then he doesn't belong up here. I'll take Darwinzon's SSS success in the bullpen and try that out until he proves he doesn't belong in a MLB bullpen. He probably won't see many, if any back to back appearances, so who cares? The Sox need as much talent as possible from this point on, and Darwinzon has plenty of that. That's a fair point!
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