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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 1, 2019 21:24:54 GMT -5
Hembree shaking his arm coming off the field, followed by the trainer.
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Post by bosox on Aug 1, 2019 21:27:03 GMT -5
If DD received any calls on Brewer or Hembree, he should have pulled the trigger. You could replace them with Braiser or Houck and it couldn't be worse.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 1, 2019 21:30:43 GMT -5
Superb...just superb. Really important series at home where we could have really made things interesting and the team lays a Jurassic Park dino-sized pile of crap. Where do they go from here?
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 1, 2019 21:32:19 GMT -5
This team puts the P-U in putrid.
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Post by bosox on Aug 1, 2019 21:33:38 GMT -5
Superb...just superb. Really important series at home where we could have really made things interesting and the team lays a Jurassic Park dino-sized pile of crap. Where do they go from here? Usually it's no where to go but up but I have my doubts. Cora is supposed to have a team meeting on the way to NY. I'm sure that will do it.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 1, 2019 21:38:38 GMT -5
Our pitchers tonight stuck out 4 and walked 8. Our hitters struck out 13 times and walked once.
Cora looked very unhappy at various points in the game - that flight to NY is not going to be very pleasant.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 1, 2019 21:42:06 GMT -5
Seeeee? Playoff odds sinking toward 40%. Now aren't you all glad we didn't trade prospects for a reliever yesterday?
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 1, 2019 21:44:06 GMT -5
Seeeee? Playoff odds sinking toward 40%. Now aren't you all glad we didn't trade prospects for a reliever yesterday? Baseball Reference has playoff odds at 25% before tonight's loss - StatCast somehow still has us at 45% after tonight's loss.
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Post by kevfc89 on Aug 1, 2019 21:48:06 GMT -5
im not one who was too worked up about DD not adding anything else, but it is a little annoying that the Rays seemingly tried harder than us.
Aguilar (2-3, 2 BBs) and Anderson (1ip 2Ks, nasty stuff) paid off immediately for them tonight. That front office is creative and is not afraid to make interesting moves.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 1, 2019 21:56:08 GMT -5
Seeeee? Playoff odds sinking toward 40%. Now aren't you all glad we didn't trade prospects for a reliever yesterday? Depends which prospects I suppose. Not every prospect is the next Mike Trout or Pedro Martinez.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 1, 2019 22:00:34 GMT -5
Seeeee? Playoff odds sinking toward 40%. Now aren't you all glad we didn't trade prospects for a reliever yesterday? Baseball Reference has playoff odds at 25% before tonight's loss - StatCast somehow still has us at 45% after tonight's loss. Yeah, I was going with the optimistic number. Frankly 25% seems more accurate - 3 teams well ahead of us now and we'd need to pass two of them. And honestly, I'm not even kidding. With Oakland and (of course) TB both winning, we're falling out of the picture fast, and our position is really considerably worse than it was at the trade deadline yesterday. At that point I wouldn't have minded adding a reliever; at this point I seriously am glad we didn't. But hey, a 1 in 4 chance ain't nothing. Just gotta flip heads twice in a row!
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 1, 2019 22:02:03 GMT -5
At least JBJ didn't make an out today. Hey redsoxfan2, I was kind of surprised that you were convinced the Sox would win these past two games. I honestly thought they'd get swept. My feeling was right about this but I was wrong about feeling the Sox were just too good to miss the playoffs - you were right - I've come around to seeing it your way. The starting pitching continues to be atrocious. My guess, if I'm trying to be Nostradamus here is that the Sox will lose 3 of 4 in NY with the lone win being a Chris Sale masterpiece and we'll hear how they found the flaw and fixed it and left to wonder how long that lasts. Eventually by the law of averages, some Red Sox starting pitcher has to pitch well (I'm being unfair to E-Rod here). It's funny how Tampa really went after it this week as if their playoff life depended on it. The Red Sox swept Tampa in Tampa early in the season and they have basically shoved it up the Red Sox' butts ever since. To go 1-8 at home vs Tampa is embarrassing. I think Tampa will eventually pass Oakland and face Minnesota in the Wild Card game (I think Cleveland wins the division).
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Post by incandenza on Aug 1, 2019 22:02:20 GMT -5
Seeeee? Playoff odds sinking toward 40%. Now aren't you all glad we didn't trade prospects for a reliever yesterday? Depends which prospects I suppose. Not every prospect is the next Mike Trout or Pedro Martinez. I mean, no prospect is the next Trout or Martinez. I'm just happy if we hold onto the next Ty Buttrey.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 1, 2019 22:03:29 GMT -5
Looking at the box - when Raffi, JDM, Moreland, Chavis and Leon take an 0 for 18, we K 12 times and walk only once, go 1-11 RISP, the starter sucks and three relief arms all crap the bed...how to win a game? This sucks. Now I have no reason for them to lose games now that the deadline has come and gone. I wanted to sell. That's lost. Only can hope for an improbable turnaround now.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 1, 2019 22:03:36 GMT -5
Depends which prospects I suppose. Not every prospect is the next Mike Trout or Pedro Martinez. I mean, no prospect is the next Trout or Martinez. I'm just happy if we hold onto the next Ty Buttrey. Hate to say it, but most prospects aren't even Ty Buttrey.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 1, 2019 22:06:26 GMT -5
I mean, no prospect is the next Trout or Martinez. I'm just happy if we hold onto the next Ty Buttrey. Hate to say it, but most prospects aren't even Ty Buttrey. I think you get my point though, right?
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 1, 2019 22:09:35 GMT -5
Do you think that the team has gotten beyond the (non) magical effect of Sandy Leon? Certainly the non-magical bat. And I don't see the magical effective starting pitching when he catches. No way he should be getting meaningful at bats - but....he always seems to be up there in big spots (and more often than not fails).
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 1, 2019 22:14:50 GMT -5
At least JBJ didn't make an out today. Hey redsoxfan2, I was kind of surprised that you were convinced the Sox would win these past two games. I honestly thought they'd get swept. My feeling was right about this but I was wrong about feeling the Sox were just too good to miss the playoffs - you were right - I've come around to seeing it your way. The starting pitching continues to be atrocious. My guess, if I'm trying to be Nostradamus here is that the Sox will lose 3 of 4 in NY with the lone win being a Chris Sale masterpiece and we'll hear how they found the flaw and fixed it and left to wonder how long that lasts. Eventually by the law of averages, some Red Sox starting pitcher has to pitch well (I'm being unfair to E-Rod here). It's funny how Tampa really went after it this week as if their playoff life depended on it. The Red Sox swept Tampa in Tampa early in the season and they have basically shoved it up the Red Sox' butts ever since. To go 1-8 at home vs Tampa is embarrassing. I think Tampa will eventually pass Oakland and face Minnesota in the Wild Card game (I think Cleveland wins the division). I honestly couldn't believe they lost. They hit a bump in a road, but were on fire. Tampa's offense sucks and they had to go with back-to-back bullpen games after Morton gave them nothing. Terrible.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 1, 2019 22:21:19 GMT -5
Someone just called into WEEI with a good point - I hadn't realized this - last year Johnson, Velazquez and Wright pitched nearly 230 innings and went 14-8 with an ERA around 3.50. Not having any of them this year (well, just bit of each, but they were all ineffective) and Eovaldi's injury...and take away Kimbrel and Kelly - and the fact our starters can't seem to make it into the 6th most nights and except for ERod are not having good years....
and who did we add? Brewer? Counting on Walden and Hembree and Taylor for meaningful innings?
Explains a lot, I think.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 1, 2019 22:31:59 GMT -5
Let's look at our new starter, Andrew Cashner in his 4 starts for the Sox
4 games, 23 IP, 31 hits, 18 earned runs, 10 walks, 16 Ks, 7.04 ERA, 1-3 record.
Good grief.
He does fit in well -
Porcello 4 games 23 IP 34 hits 19 earned runs 3 walks 18 Ks 7.43 ERA 3-1 record (a miracle) Price 4 games 19 IP 25 hits 14 earned runs 8 walks 28 Ks 6.63 ERA 0-4 record Sale 4 games 22 IP 18 hits 13 earned runs 9 walks 36 Ks 5.32 ERA 2-2 record
So, aside from ERod, last for games for these four starters 6-10 record, less than 6 innings per start average, stratospheric ERA
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 1, 2019 22:37:39 GMT -5
Let's look at our new starter, Andrew Cashner in his 4 starts for the Sox 4 games, 23 IP, 31 hits, 18 earned runs, 10 walks, 16 Ks, 7.04 ERA, 1-3 record. Good grief. Won the trade deadline.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 1, 2019 23:15:11 GMT -5
Seeeee? Playoff odds sinking toward 40%. Now aren't you all glad we didn't trade prospects for a reliever yesterday? Nope. The Sox had a 5 percent chance of coming back 3-0 in 2004 too. The farm system stinks. It's going to get retooled in 2 years anyways. The Sox are stuck in the f-ing middle if they don't make the playoffs this year, which is disastrous for any sports team.
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Post by itsdunkindonutstime on Aug 1, 2019 23:19:39 GMT -5
Seeeee? Playoff odds sinking toward 40%. Now aren't you all glad we didn't trade prospects for a reliever yesterday? Nope. The Sox had a 5 percent chance of coming back 3-0 in 2004 too. The farm system stinks. It's going to get retooled in 2 years anyways. The Sox are stuck in the f-ing middle if they don't make the playoffs this year, which is disastrous for any sports team. I just looked it up for 2020 FA market for bullpen options, and there ain't much other than Cole but he's a starter but Sox do have quite a bit coming off their payroll heading into 2020 , So who would you like to see Sox to try to get ? We had quite bit more options for bullpen last year during FA but Sox passed them up , I am still pissed about Otavino, that was nice solid arm without costing tons of $.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Aug 1, 2019 23:24:20 GMT -5
Hate to say it, but most prospects aren't even Ty Buttrey. I think you get my point though, right? I get your point, but I hope you get my point which is if the price prospect-wise was right then I wouldn't have minded an upgrade to the bullpen, despite how crappy the starters are. I mean, if Dombrowski really believes in these guys, then he has to believe Price will pitch better, Chris Sale has the capability of going on a dominant run, E-Rod has matured, and Porcello and Cashner will cease to be total pinatas, then wouldn't logic dictate he'd like to upgrade his bullpen however he can if he doesn't have to surrender too much? No offense to say Alex Scherff, but if he was of the prospect cost, so what? Losing Chatham doesn't phase me. Losing Shugart wouldn't bother me. Losing Jimenez would anger me or even some of those Dominican League kids like Gonzalez, Feliz, and some others, which is the point I'm trying to make. Not all prospects here are equal. I'll still feel that if Dombrowski truly believes in this group, he could have upgraded the pen - but not at all costs, and I have trouble believing every reliever who could have been an improvement would have been at all costs - and I say that not thinking that every reliever out there would have been an improvement.
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Post by incandenza on Aug 1, 2019 23:26:55 GMT -5
Seeeee? Playoff odds sinking toward 40%. Now aren't you all glad we didn't trade prospects for a reliever yesterday? Nope. The Sox had a 5 percent chance of coming back 3-0 in 2004 too. The farm system stinks. It's going to get retooled in 2 years anyways. The Sox are stuck in the f-ing middle if they don't make the playoffs this year, which is disastrous for any sports team. So we should go for broke on a 5% bet, but the Sox are headed for disaster in 2020 and beyond so we shouldn't even worry about the future at all. Got it.
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