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Post by danredhawk on Aug 11, 2019 14:45:36 GMT -5
That’s why it was laughable to to watch you talk about Boston HAVING to make a move for a RP - because if it had turned out along the lines of a Sam Dyson, Shane Greene or Mark Melancon - the chances of you claiming they did the right thing (what you wanted) and it just didn’t work out would have been zero. No, you would have thrown a fit about DD and the scouts getting the wrong guy and wasting assets (which of course you foresaw entirely at the time and why you would have traded for a different arm with different prospects)... Lol, I would threw a fit. That's a joke. Nope, I would have posted that the move didn't work and moved on with my life, just like I just did with Cashner. I would have reviewed and said that the Sox in fact, did SOMETHING to make the beleaguered bullpen better. I'm glad you have the foresight to know what happens in the future of Dyson or Greene in a Sox uniform though. I bet you would have predicted that Dave Roberts got tagged out at second base in 2004 because marginal moves don't matter in winning seasons. Talk about a hypocrite here. Talking about others predicting foresight while predicting foresight. Yeah, you never throw fits. The only one that ever pretends to know for sure what will happen, what would have happened or (even more often) claims to have been certain all along of what did happen (even when it runs perpendicular to what you had already predicted with certainty was going to happen) is you Pedro. Lucky you to always have hindsight to tell you what to believe. Others like DD and myself will just have to follow educated thought processes, listen to others, set limits and goals and do the best we can, I suppose... As for me being a hypocrite, I didn’t offer any insight into what would have happened if Greene and Dyson were traded to Boston. I only offered insight into how your ‘truths’ would have changed if the players you demanded didn’t deliver. I wouldn’t necessarily call that foresight, we’ve all seen it many times before. The sun rises every morning... Anyway, my workout is over so I’ll be going about my day. Last word for you if you want it (lol, of course you do, you can’t help yourself #foresight)...
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 11, 2019 14:52:00 GMT -5
Not that Kinsler helped, but I wouldn't change a thing. Ripple effect and such. Kinsler had key hits in both the Yankee and Astros playoffs last year. Mind refreshing my memory on what those were? I remember him largely being a dud.
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Post by soxfan511 on Aug 11, 2019 14:58:20 GMT -5
Wow Butteys stuff is filthy. A 99 mph fastball with movement. Why the hell did we trade this guy? To win a world series. First of all, Kinsler was terrible here Secondly, we couldn’t give up a different pitching prospect than buttrey? Why trade a power arm with filthy movement on a near 100 mph heater.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 11, 2019 14:59:13 GMT -5
Lol, I would threw a fit. That's a joke. Nope, I would have posted that the move didn't work and moved on with my life, just like I just did with Cashner. I would have reviewed and said that the Sox in fact, did SOMETHING to make the beleaguered bullpen better. I'm glad you have the foresight to know what happens in the future of Dyson or Greene in a Sox uniform though. I bet you would have predicted that Dave Roberts got tagged out at second base in 2004 because marginal moves don't matter in winning seasons. Talk about a hypocrite here. Talking about others predicting foresight while predicting foresight. Yeah, you never throw fits. The only one that ever pretends to know for sure what will happen, what would have happened or (even more often) claims to have been certain all along of what did happen (even when it runs perpendicular to what you had already predicted with certainty was going to happen) is you Pedro. Lucky you to always have hindsight to tell you what to believe. Others like DD and myself will just have to follow educated thought processes, listen to others, set limits and goals and do the best we can, I suppose... As for me being a hypocrite, I didn’t offer any insight into what would have happened if Greene and Dyson were traded to Boston. I only offered insight into how your ‘truths’ would have changed if the players you demanded didn’t deliver. I wouldn’t necessarily call that foresight, we’ve all seen it many times before. The sun rises every morning... Anyway, my workout is over so I’ll be going about my day. Last word for you if you want it (lol, of course you do, you can’t help yourself #foresight)... There is nothing to say other than you hate my opinion on baseball. Yeah, "truths." No truth to that, dude. The sunrise doesn't rise everytime a reliever fails, because they do or don't. Doing nothing will get you nothing. That's the truth here. Even Cora said that before the trade deadline and then backtracked after the fact. If you hadn't gotten in your "knowledgeable snark," this wouldn't have been a conversation. Yeah, I throw fits. If something is wrong, then I'll point it out. You're darn right. The Red Sox doing nothing all year in the bullpen was plain wrong. Wouldn't throw a fit over a small move though. The Sox shouldn't have limits. Eduacated people aren't always smart. Go above and beyond. The Sox didn't do any of this this year. I guess me and you are two polar opposites and that's cool.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Aug 11, 2019 15:03:24 GMT -5
Thanks Dave. Gosh darnit
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 11, 2019 15:04:25 GMT -5
Ladies and gents, Matt Barnes blowing yet another save.
Why not Walden or Eovaldi for the additional inning?
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Post by soxfan511 on Aug 11, 2019 15:05:55 GMT -5
Awful awful bullpen
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Post by coachmac on Aug 11, 2019 15:09:59 GMT -5
Ladies and gents, Matt Barnes blowing yet another save. Barnes gave up the run true but he shouldn't have had to pitch the 7th and the 8th. The Sox have have had 3 short starts in a row. All the arms have been used unfortunately. 0nce again the rotation has put the bullpen in an untenable position.
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Post by coachmac on Aug 11, 2019 15:11:55 GMT -5
Really awful. The pen has given up 1 run in 6 innings
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 11, 2019 15:11:56 GMT -5
Ladies and gents, Matt Barnes blowing yet another save. Barnes gave up the run true but he shouldn't have had to pitch the 7th and the 8th. The Sox have have had 3 short starts in a row. All the arms have been used unfortunately. 0nce again the rotation has put the bullpen in an untenable position. Agreed...see my edit above. Walden or Eovaldi should have gotten the extra inning, not Barnes
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 11, 2019 15:24:30 GMT -5
WTF, Christian!?
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 11, 2019 15:24:30 GMT -5
What a dumb baseball team.
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Post by wcp3 on Aug 11, 2019 15:27:08 GMT -5
Mookie with as bad of an attempt at stealing a base as you’ll ever see.
Putrid.
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 11, 2019 15:27:51 GMT -5
Amazing how much of this season is a reverse mirror image of last season. Very little is working
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Post by adiospaydro2005 on Aug 11, 2019 15:28:19 GMT -5
Why pinch run Mookie and have Holt as pinch hitter? The bullpen blows lead in top half of inning. This inning is a microcosm of the 2019 Red Sox.
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 11, 2019 15:29:55 GMT -5
Aug 11, 2019 15:09:35 GMT -4 pedrofanforever45 said: Lol, I would threw a fit. That's a joke. Nope, I would have posted that the move didn't work and moved on with my life, just like I just did with Cashner. I throw fits. If something is wrong, then I'll point it out. You're darn right. Is that you, Rick James? Over something small, I wouldn't have thrown a fit. I do on the big things. The only time I threw a fit over something small was the Steve Pearce thing, because I knew Henry was going to set limits on the payroll and every small thing was big.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 11, 2019 15:31:32 GMT -5
Awful bullpen management. Not so much the bullpen being awful.
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Post by soxfan511 on Aug 11, 2019 15:31:39 GMT -5
Ladies and gents, Matt Barnes blowing yet another save. Barnes gave up the run true but he shouldn't have had to pitch the 7th and the 8th. The Sox have have had 3 short starts in a row. All the arms have been used unfortunately. 0nce again the rotation has put the bullpen in an untenable position. I’ve seen this blowpen blow more leads after 6 innings than I can count. If you wanna blame the starters for not going deeper into ball games, than we need to invest in a bartolo colon innings eater.
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Post by soxfan511 on Aug 11, 2019 15:32:28 GMT -5
Awful bullpen management. Not so much the bullpen being awful. How many blown saves this year? Seems like a lot
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 11, 2019 15:35:17 GMT -5
Awful bullpen management. Not so much the bullpen being awful. How many blown saves this year? Seems like a lot 23 saves, now 21 blown saves, but DD said most of the blown saves were fine or something like that
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Post by soxfan511 on Aug 11, 2019 15:37:25 GMT -5
How many blown saves this year? Seems like a lot 23 saves, now 21 blown saves, but DD said most of the blown saves were fine or something like that 21 blown saves seems like A LOT. It hurt seeing Buttrey out there throwing 99 with tons of movement, while our relief pitchers threw their 96 mph straight as an arrow
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Post by soxfansince67 on Aug 11, 2019 15:39:33 GMT -5
Once again, nice Work, man.
Barnes 4 saves 7 blown saves
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Aug 11, 2019 15:41:19 GMT -5
Awful bullpen management. Not so much the bullpen being awful. How many blown saves this year? Seems like a lot 7.1 IP 1ER and they haven't lost yet despite the blown save which should illustrate why the stat is almost as useless as W-L. It wasn't even a save opportunity.
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Post by coachmac on Aug 11, 2019 15:43:51 GMT -5
Barnes gave up the run true but he shouldn't have had to pitch the 7th and the 8th. The Sox have have had 3 short starts in a row. All the arms have been used unfortunately. 0nce again the rotation has put the bullpen in an untenable position. I’ve seen this blowpen blow more leads after 6 innings than I can count. If you wanna blame the starters for not going deeper into ball games, than we need to invest in a bartolo colon innings eater. You seem to have missed the point. The bullpen pitched 6.1,4and now 7 innings. Theyve pitched 7+ innings today and allowed 1 run. I guess in your mind it would have to have no runs in 7 + in order to not be "awful, awful."
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Post by pedrofanforever45 on Aug 11, 2019 15:47:02 GMT -5
Over something small, I wouldn't have thrown a fit. I do on the big things. The only time I threw a fit over something small was the Steve Pearce thing, because I knew Henry was going to set limits on the payroll and every small thing was big. Thanks for clarifying, your world makes total sense to me now. Makes as much sense as your obsession on my posts.
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