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Post by caseytins on Feb 18, 2020 23:20:42 GMT -5
Quantrill intrigues be. He has a decent three pitch mix, but has some interesting splits. I have concerns about Arias' ability to adjust to the breaking ball. He bails out a lot when I've seen him. Campusano and Quantrill would be my targets, depending on the other specifics in terms or Myers, money, etc..
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Post by nomar on Feb 18, 2020 23:21:23 GMT -5
Looking at Quantrills game logs he had three straight games in late August early Sept where he gave up 8 ERs in each and the next start more ERs than innings. That could skew some stats. Wonder if it was a tired arm coming back from TJ or tipping? I could get behind him and that comp pick. Peripherals still not great
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Post by cdj on Feb 18, 2020 23:23:15 GMT -5
Does Quantrill have a cutter? Teach him a cutter to get in on lefties, boom problem solved. We now have a #3
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Post by jackiebradleyjrjr on Feb 18, 2020 23:26:09 GMT -5
Looking at Quantrills game logs he had three straight games in late August early Sept where he gave up 8 ERs in each and the next start more ERs than innings. That could skew some stats. Wonder if it was a tired arm coming back from TJ or tipping? I could get behind him and that comp pick. FWIW: I asked my friend, who is a Padre fan, about this very thing. He said it definitely looked like his arm was fatigued towards the end of the season— the coaching staff admitted as much apparently as well. But another reason was that hitters started sitting on his fastball— which lacks much movement (apparently pre-TJ he had a fastball with lots of late run in it but since the surgery that late life is nonexistent) and allows hitters to real get a barrel on it. The results were lots of runs and lots of hard contact and loud outs.
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Post by caseytins on Feb 18, 2020 23:32:38 GMT -5
Looking at Quantrills game logs he had three straight games in late August early Sept where he gave up 8 ERs in each and the next start more ERs than innings. That could skew some stats. Wonder if it was a tired arm coming back from TJ or tipping? I could get behind him and that comp pick. FWIW: I asked my friend, who is a Padre fan, about this very thing. He said it definitely looked like his arm was fatigued towards the end of the season— the coaching staff admitted as much apparently as well. But another reason was that hitters started sitting on his fastball— which lacks much movement (apparently pre-TJ he had a fastball with lots of late run in it but since the surgery that late life is nonexistent) and allows hitters to real get a barrel on it. The results were lots of runs and lots of hard contact and loud outs. His split change is his best pitch. It is worrisome when you factor in a tired arm, especially for pitchers that have already had TJS.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Feb 18, 2020 23:58:00 GMT -5
friarsonbase.com/2019/08/15/san-diego-padres-story-cal-quantrill/He was pitching well 75 innings in, best stretch of his career. Which is what you want to see. It's a great deal in my book to get Quantrill and Arias. I see no reason why Chavis is involved. We need more young guys like him and this trade needs to be about adding more cost controlled players.
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Post by soxaddict on Feb 19, 2020 0:15:25 GMT -5
He’s 24, cheap with 5 years of control, can play 1B, 2B, and 3B. If the Sox deal for Myers, his playing time will be cut in half. His value won’t be any higher than it is now. Ryan Fitzgerald is cheap, young, and can play those positions too. You're forgetting the most important part of value which is he wasn't very good for most of last year. It's pretty insane to think that his value can't get higher, all he has to do is play well. You’re comparison to a 25 year old in A ball confuses me.
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Post by ausox on Feb 19, 2020 0:22:22 GMT -5
As irrational as it may be, I would love to get Anderson Espinoza back as a lottery ticket. It would be a fantastic story if he could finally get healthy and make it to the big leagues after everything he has been through.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 19, 2020 0:46:23 GMT -5
I still think Chavis has a chance to surprise people. He's been suspended, injured and rushed. I think he deserves a chance.
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Post by Legion of Bloom on Feb 19, 2020 2:18:56 GMT -5
As irrational as it may be, I would love to get Anderson Espinoza back as a lottery ticket. It would be a fantastic story if he could finally get healthy and make it to the big leagues after everything he has been through. Would rather get Quantrill and Arias.
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Post by heathcliffslocum on Feb 19, 2020 6:33:39 GMT -5
Quantrill intrigues be. He has a decent three pitch mix, but has some interesting splits. I have concerns about Arias' ability to adjust to the breaking ball. He bails out a lot when I've seen him. Campusano and Quantrill would be my targets, depending on the other specifics in terms or Myers, money, etc.. I do wonder if people are thinking about the wrong player being traded by the Sox. Eduardo Rodriguez is 27 in April and has only two years of control left. He had his best most healthy year last year, but history shows that selling high could be wise since he gets injured in every other year. I think it's a long shot and it's more involving lesser pieces, but Eduardo could be in play if the Sox want even more prospects. Maybe that brings Patino back in the conversation if that happens. I hope it's Campusano and Quantrill, plus whatever else is gravy. Got to have those two. Can't get all 3 of Arias, Quantrill, and Campusano, so get the two best players you can in this deal. The Sox don't need this deal and they don't need Myers. Padres are the ones coming to the Sox after trying to unload Myers all winter.
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Post by heathcliffslocum on Feb 19, 2020 7:01:16 GMT -5
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Post by mobaz on Feb 19, 2020 7:40:48 GMT -5
Quantrill intrigues be. He has a decent three pitch mix, but has some interesting splits. I have concerns about Arias' ability to adjust to the breaking ball. He bails out a lot when I've seen him. Campusano and Quantrill would be my targets, depending on the other specifics in terms or Myers, money, etc.. I do wonder if people are thinking about the wrong player being traded by the Sox. Eduardo Rodriguez is 27 in April and has only two years of control left. He had his best most healthy year last year, but history shows that selling high could be wise since he gets injured in every other year. I think it's a long shot and it's more involving lesser pieces, but Eduardo could be in play if the Sox want even more prospects. Maybe that brings Patino back in the conversation if that happens. I hope it's Campusano and Quantrill, plus whatever else is gravy. Got to have those two. Can't get all 3 of Arias, Quantrill, and Campusano, so get the two best players you can in this deal. The Sox don't need this deal and they don't need Myers. Padres are the ones coming to the Sox after trying to unload Myers all winter. I don't think ERod is pitching over his head, I think he's finally reaching his potential. He always had 2/3 upside (remember Pedro raving about him?) and he had stretches of brilliance or 4 innings of brilliance. This last season he went 6+ more often and avoided the One Bad Inning. I'd bank on that as a sign of maturity and growth more than some unsustainable blip. Keep him!
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Feb 19, 2020 8:19:05 GMT -5
I don't think ERod is pitching over his head, I think he's finally reaching his potential. I mean, yeah. Sell him when he's good. You'll get more in return. That's the point.
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Post by jdb on Feb 19, 2020 8:22:47 GMT -5
I wouldn’t think about trading E Rod unless we are out of it at the deadline. Maybe then if we got blown away but we aren’t in a full scale fire sale.
I read a few of those article from the SD site linked above and they mentioned Vazquez (I would assume this would net a ton more in that hypothetical) It kind of made me think that Bloom and the Rays do seem to value catchers a bit different and I don’t know how they would view him. I guess I’m saying I wouldn’t be completely shocked if a team valued him more and he got talked about.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Feb 19, 2020 8:22:50 GMT -5
I still think Chavis has a chance to surprise people. He's been suspended, injured and rushed. I think he deserves a chance. Suspended, yes. Injured, yes. Rushed? Not sure about that one.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 19, 2020 8:38:04 GMT -5
I still think Chavis has a chance to surprise people. He's been suspended, injured and rushed. I think he deserves a chance. Suspended, yes. Injured, yes. Rushed? Not sure about that one. I mean, 29 games in AAA and 100 games is AA for his career. I think in an ideal world he's not called up last year for anything other than an emergency bench piece.
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 19, 2020 8:48:16 GMT -5
He debuted professionally on Juy 5, 2014, reached Double-A on June 23, 2017, and made his major league debut on April 20, 2019, which is not "rushed." On the other hand he was hardly dominating to force the issue at Triple-A and got called up because the major league club didn't address some pretty obvious depth issues in the offseason. On the third hand, it's pretty clear that the Red Sox basically haven't treated Triple-A a developmental step but rather an MLB holding station and that anyone who graduates Double-A is basically MLB ready. I'm not sure rushed is the term I'd use but I can get behind the idea that some more time in Triple-A does him some good.
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Feb 19, 2020 9:07:44 GMT -5
He debuted professionally on Juy 5, 2014, reached Double-A on June 23, 2017, and made his major league debut on April 20, 2019, which is not "rushed." On the other hand he was hardly dominating to force the issue at Triple-A and got called up because the major league club didn't address some pretty obvious depth issues in the offseason. On the third hand, it's pretty clear that the Red Sox basically haven't treated Triple-A a developmental step but rather an MLB holding station and that anyone who graduates Double-A is basically MLB ready. I'm not sure rushed is the term I'd use but I can get behind the idea that some more time in Triple-A does him some good. I get what you're saying, but I see the injuries and suspensions as lost time. He almost spent more time in the majors in games played last year than games played above A ball. Not to mention they have been moving him to different positions that he hasn't really played. I hope they either option him to open the year (doubtful) or that they stick by him this season as a starter between 1B and 2B with an occasionally start at 3B.
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Post by jimed14 on Feb 19, 2020 9:11:59 GMT -5
Chavis has played multiple positions, however he is undersized to be an everyday first baseman, and he is not particularly good at second base (remember the troubles turning a double-play). He is best suited to play third base however he is not going to move Devers from there. At the plate, he had one good month and then dropped off significantly as the season progresses. IMO, these things are more likely to be further exposed as the season progresses than the other way around.......sell high if you have the chance. All 30 teams in the league see the same thing so there's no selling high. There's only hoping that he makes adjustments and gets back to anywhere close to where he was in his first month. It's often strange to me when people assume that other teams won't notice really simple things like game logs and splits. I'm not speaking to your post.
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Post by cdj on Feb 19, 2020 9:15:02 GMT -5
Quantrill intrigues be. He has a decent three pitch mix, but has some interesting splits. I have concerns about Arias' ability to adjust to the breaking ball. He bails out a lot when I've seen him. Campusano and Quantrill would be my targets, depending on the other specifics in terms or Myers, money, etc.. I do wonder if people are thinking about the wrong player being traded by the Sox. Eduardo Rodriguez is 27 in April and has only two years of control left. He had his best most healthy year last year, but history shows that selling high could be wise since he gets injured in every other year. I think it's a long shot and it's more involving lesser pieces, but Eduardo could be in play if the Sox want even more prospects. Maybe that brings Patino back in the conversation if that happens. I hope it's Campusano and Quantrill, plus whatever else is gravy. Got to have those two. Can't get all 3 of Arias, Quantrill, and Campusano, so get the two best players you can in this deal. The Sox don't need this deal and they don't need Myers. Padres are the ones coming to the Sox after trying to unload Myers all winter. I was thinking they may trade him at the deadline or more likely after this season myself. And for the exact reasons you outlined. Kind of need him right now unless they are getting multiple SP back Love the guy though and I think he still has even further upside so I’d be fine with whichever route they go with him.
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Post by cdj on Feb 19, 2020 9:15:40 GMT -5
Well that certainly seems to have some life on it!
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Feb 19, 2020 9:16:03 GMT -5
@jcmccaffrey Dennis mentions Boston's continued interest in Padres catching prospect Luis Campusano and SS prospect Gabriel Arias. And also the possibility of a three-team trade with Boston, Cincy and San Diego
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Feb 19, 2020 9:17:10 GMT -5
@dennistlin The Padres, who have shelled out more than $500 million in free agency over these last three offseasons, are still looking for ways to upgrade before Opening Day. The scenarios under consideration include a three-team trade. t.co/B0cp28gB4s
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Post by James Dunne on Feb 19, 2020 9:18:45 GMT -5
Just to warn everyone, if the Red Sox somehow facilitate the Padres getting Senzel in a convoluted trade that could have brought Senzel to the Red Sox I'm going to go be mad again.
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