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Post by vermontsox1 on Aug 21, 2020 20:14:22 GMT -5
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Post by kevfc89 on Aug 21, 2020 20:15:48 GMT -5
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Aug 21, 2020 20:16:39 GMT -5
I'm hoping for Medina or Moniak
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Post by manfred on Aug 21, 2020 20:18:06 GMT -5
Two players with time left before the deadline and other teams interested? Has to be a good return.
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Post by bigpapiortiz on Aug 21, 2020 20:18:15 GMT -5
Great trade, no matter the return. Hoping the young guys step up.
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Post by PedroKsBambino on Aug 21, 2020 20:19:42 GMT -5
Alexspeier Red Sox are getting Pivetta and Seabold from the Phillies
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Post by Ryanod1 on Aug 21, 2020 20:21:35 GMT -5
Should be a decent return. I like the odds with Bloom that it will be quality over quantity at least
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Post by kevfc89 on Aug 21, 2020 20:24:53 GMT -5
Pivetta and Seabold? that's not great imo, but what can you expect for Heath Hembree and a 30 game rental of Workman
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 21, 2020 20:25:22 GMT -5
Eh I guess Piveta is an improvement over Hart.
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Post by geostorm on Aug 21, 2020 20:26:43 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on Aug 21, 2020 20:27:10 GMT -5
I don’t know much beyond numbers on these two, but this works for me. I’m guessing Seabold has bit of promise, and Pivetta might be a change of scenery guy? His K numbers are good. Could at least be getting two new, younger, cheaper relievers?
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Post by nomar on Aug 21, 2020 20:27:10 GMT -5
Yikes
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Aug 21, 2020 20:28:12 GMT -5
Pretty bad return. What was the rush if this is the return?
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Post by jkfer98 on Aug 21, 2020 20:28:35 GMT -5
Scouting report on Connor Seabold, via Baseball Savant:
"Seabold spent three years at Cal State Fullerton, mostly in the rotation, filling up the strike zone. He’s done more of the same since the Phillies took him in the third round of the 2017 Draft. He reached Double-A in his first full season of pro ball and was set to begin the '19 season there with an eye on the big leagues, but an oblique injury shelved him before the season began. He did return in late June and then opened some eyes with a strong showing in the Arizona Fall League.
Despite not having eye-popping stuff, Seabold has managed to keep hitters off-balance and missed a decent amount of bats, even when he got to Double-A. He’s throwing a bit harder than he did in his college days, typically in the 90-93 mph range now, though he touched 94 mph in the AFL. His slider is an average offering, but he missed a lot of bats with it in the Fall. He worked to improve his changeup while he was rehabbing and it’s an above-average pitch now with excellent downer action to it.
Seabold will always be a command and control pitcher, one who has to rely on changing speeds and keeping hitters off-balance. His swing-and-miss rate went up in the AFL and if that’s for real, he could fit into the back end of a big league rotation soon."
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Post by manfred on Aug 21, 2020 20:29:05 GMT -5
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Post by Addam603 on Aug 21, 2020 20:32:31 GMT -5
That’s a decent chunk of change to pick up. The Red Sox are paying about 75% of the contracts for the guys they sent.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Aug 21, 2020 20:32:36 GMT -5
Scouting report on Connor Seabold, via Baseball Savant: "Seabold spent three years at Cal State Fullerton, mostly in the rotation, filling up the strike zone. He’s done more of the same since the Phillies took him in the third round of the 2017 Draft. He reached Double-A in his first full season of pro ball and was set to begin the '19 season there with an eye on the big leagues, but an oblique injury shelved him before the season began. He did return in late June and then opened some eyes with a strong showing in the Arizona Fall League. Despite not having eye-popping stuff, Seabold has managed to keep hitters off-balance and missed a decent amount of bats, even when he got to Double-A. He’s throwing a bit harder than he did in his college days, typically in the 90-93 mph range now, though he touched 94 mph in the AFL. His slider is an average offering, but he missed a lot of bats with it in the Fall. He worked to improve his changeup while he was rehabbing and it’s an above-average pitch now with excellent downer action to it. Seabold will always be a command and control pitcher, one who has to rely on changing speeds and keeping hitters off-balance. His swing-and-miss rate went up in the AFL and if that’s for real, he could fit into the back end of a big league rotation soon." Throw him and Pivetta into the rotation. Lets see what happens. Can't get any worse. Can it?
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Post by jimoh on Aug 21, 2020 20:33:36 GMT -5
Phillie-fan friend says "Pivetta is a complete head case. Seabold might turn out OK."
He was the Philies #2 starter at the start of this year, one guy says.
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Post by Ryanod1 on Aug 21, 2020 20:36:12 GMT -5
With Pivetta at least he has stuff that will play up big time in the bullpen. Hopefully he turns around starting, but there could be a potential closer in him if need be. The Sox may be able to fix his flaws using this crappy season as an advantage for next season. Aka let him use this year to try new stuff where we aren't going anywhere haha
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Post by jackiebradleyjrjr on Aug 21, 2020 20:37:25 GMT -5
Pretty bad return. What was the rush if this is the return? Probably worried another bad outing or two and their value will drop even more.
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Post by julyanmorley on Aug 21, 2020 20:44:56 GMT -5
Trade sounds good to me. Workman and Hembree combined have so little value. If the Red Sox get one decent season out of either of these guys then they come out way ahead.
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Post by James Dunne on Aug 21, 2020 20:46:22 GMT -5
Seabold's numbers are great--goid control and misses bats, so I wonder if somthing makes that fastball play up. And if there's something they see in Pivetta as a buy-low guy, I am down with that.
Bittersweet trading Workman though.
Feels like they shouldn't have needed to swallow so much salary on such a straightforward trade but I will leave that to the experts.
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Post by kevfc89 on Aug 21, 2020 20:47:11 GMT -5
fwiw many of the phillies fans ive seen on another blog aren't happy to be losing Seabold in this.
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Post by cdj on Aug 21, 2020 20:52:25 GMT -5
It’s a pending UFA reliever due for major regression whipping 1.80 this year (and imo is pitching like thats an accurate number for him) and Heath Hembree, not sure what people were expecting for a return but honestly a change of scenery guy w great stuff and a solid starting pitching prospect ain’t too shabby
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Post by cba82 on Aug 21, 2020 20:55:02 GMT -5
Seabold's numbers are great--goid control and misses bats, so I wonder if somthing makes that fastball play up. And if there's something they see in Pivetta as a buy-low guy, I am down with that. Bittersweet trading Workman though. Feels like they shouldn't have needed to swallow so much salary on such a straightforward trade but I will leave that to the experts. Especially since, in absolute dollars, what the two players were owed wasn’t that material (by the same measure, what the Sox are covering in absolute dollars is not very material, either).
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