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Red Sox FA Target: Garrett Richards (Signed)
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Post by soxstan96 on Jan 23, 2021 14:17:07 GMT -5
Maybe a 1-2 million too much, but I'm glad it's not a multi-year deal. I feel like there's a good chance he'll be traded by the deadline.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 23, 2021 14:21:21 GMT -5
Why does this mean JBJ is gone? I’d rather spend on him than two grubby relievers. We can figure out the bullpen as we go, but elite up-the-middle defense plays every single day. I am assuming they don’t have space left in the budget. Could be wrong, sure. You are probably right on JBJ however, I could see a scenario where they go over the luxury tax by a small amount to bring back Bradley. If they are competing for the playoffs it'll be worth it go over the tax. If they aren't competitive at the deadline trade whoever is needed to get back under the tax. |
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Post by incandenza on Jan 23, 2021 14:21:49 GMT -5
Why does this mean JBJ is gone? I’d rather spend on him than two grubby relievers. We can figure out the bullpen as we go, but elite up-the-middle defense plays every single day. I am assuming they don’t have space left in the budget. Could be wrong, sure. Is trading Beni still on the table? That could save them $4-5 million and then I believe they'd have enough for JBJ plus a bullpen arm or two. I think you could make the outfield work with two righties (Renfroe/Hernandez) and two lefties (JBJ/Verdugo).
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 23, 2021 14:26:37 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on Jan 23, 2021 14:36:11 GMT -5
This is an interesting article. I found especially of interest the fact that his elbow cleared imaging in 2017. So for all the bashing of how he chose therapy in 2016, his elbow appeared healthy in 2017. In other words, there is evidence the path he took in 2016 was successful and he had a second, separate blow out in 2018. Indeed, all signs point to a pitcher who has basically blow out his elbow twice in the last five years. |
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Post by tyler3 on Jan 23, 2021 14:40:50 GMT -5
Maybe a 1-2 million too much, but I'm glad it's not a multi-year deal. I feel like there's a good chance he'll be traded by the deadline. they got the team option for the second year and that’s key. If he pitched great for a half a year and becomes a trade chip then he becomes more valuable because he’ll have year and a half of control. If he pitches great for a year good forbid then you can keep him, trade him.....really like the flexibility here for the team which is why I presume a couple extra million were thrown on top. |
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jan 23, 2021 14:45:09 GMT -5
10 million seems a tad steep but for just 1 year I'm not going to complain. I foresee many comments questioning why they didn't sign Kluber instead though. Kluber was last seen throwing 86-88 mphs and signed for 1/$11M w no option.....Richards pitched the 2020 season and was clocked at 95 mph. Sox reportedly get him for 1/$10M w/ 2020 option at $10M I will take Richards over Kluber based on his 2020 performance and the option year. |
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Post by mg050369 on Jan 23, 2021 14:47:11 GMT -5
I hoped for $10M combined for Richards and KH. However, it’s not my money and I don’t control a market which I thought would be softer. I do like the shorter deals with team options. It gives them flexibility to trade for prospects if they flourish or cut ties after’21 if they falter.
Barring a Beni trade, they have $13M (probably closer to $10M accounting for callups). I still think they can go the CF/RP route but recent signings limit their options if they want to stay under the tax. Two potential paths:
Get the band back together: JBJ and a cheap reliever, maybe a Workman reunion. Workman slots in middle relief/setup. JBJ re-unites the ‘20 OF. Renfroe primarily plays against lefties. KH splits time at 2b and you sprinkle him at other positions, always getting him in against lefties.
Bolster the pen, roster mix and match - Colome to compete with Barnes as closer. Go cheap to get another CF option, Almora or Pillar.
With a Beni trade, maybe you could squeeze LaStella under the cap. He becomes the everyday 2b and gives Dalbec a breather at 1b against some righties. It fills all the roster needs but I think the LaStella ship may have sailed while it marginalizes Arroyo’s use and value,
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Post by juanpena on Jan 23, 2021 14:57:15 GMT -5
If my math is right that leaves the sox with about 13 million to the luxury tax. Need at least a reliever, probably 2 and a left handed hitting 2nd baseman or cf. I have to think something is going to happen with Pedroia at some point before Spring Training. When something happens with Pedroia, it will clear a 40-man spot, but it won't get them any more money to play with. Pedroia still gets paid, and that will count toward their payroll figure. |
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Post by soxstan96 on Jan 23, 2021 15:00:30 GMT -5
I hoped for $10M combined for Richards and KH. However, it’s not my money and I don’t control a market which I thought would be softer. I do like the shorter deals with team options. It gives them flexibility to trade for prospects if they flourish or cut ties after’21 if they falter. Barring a Beni trade, they have $13M (probably closer to $10M accounting for callups). I still think they can go the CF/RP route but recent signings limit their options if they want to stay under the tax. Two potential paths: Get the band back together: JBJ and a cheap reliever, maybe a Workman reunion. Workman slots in middle relief/setup. JBJ re-unites the ‘20 OF. Renfroe primarily plays against lefties. KH splits time at 2b and you sprinkle him at other positions, always getting him in against lefties. Bolster the pen, roster mix and match - Colome to compete with Barnes as closer. Go cheap to get another CF option, Almora or Pillar. With a Beni trade, maybe you could squeeze LaStella under the cap. He becomes the everyday 2b and gives Dalbec a breather at 1b against some righties. It fills all the roster needs but I think the LaStella ship may have sailed while it marginalizes Arroyo’s use and value, I'd like to see them get a couple decent relievers on one one-year deals, maybe a 5m deal for Colome and 2-3 for Kela. That leaves them with several million more to play around with and get an adequate CFer, like you mentioned. Wouldn't mind a Pillar reunion if we can't make something work with Jackie. |
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Jan 23, 2021 15:01:57 GMT -5
I hoped for $10M combined for Richards and KH. However, it’s not my money and I don’t control a market which I thought would be softer. I do like the shorter deals with team options. It gives them flexibility to trade for prospects if they flourish or cut ties after’21 if they falter. Barring a Beni trade, they have $13M (probably closer to $10M accounting for callups). I still think they can go the CF/RP route but recent signings limit their options if they want to stay under the tax. Two potential paths: Get the band back together: JBJ and a cheap reliever, maybe a Workman reunion. Workman slots in middle relief/setup. JBJ re-unites the ‘20 OF. Renfroe primarily plays against lefties. KH splits time at 2b and you sprinkle him at other positions, always getting him in against lefties. Bolster the pen, roster mix and match - Colome to compete with Barnes as closer. Go cheap to get another CF option, Almora or Pillar. With a Beni trade, maybe you could squeeze LaStella under the cap. He becomes the everyday 2b and gives Dalbec a breather at 1b against some righties. It fills all the roster needs but I think the LaStella ship may have sailed while it marginalizes Arroyo’s use and value, I do not see how you can do all that on $13 million unless Bloom can do a loaves and fishes routine. |
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jan 23, 2021 15:02:29 GMT -5
Like Kiki its a slight overpay but is what it is. This might mean JBJ is gone which is fine by me provided they use some of this money to get a closer.
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Post by manfred on Jan 23, 2021 15:05:35 GMT -5
I hoped for $10M combined for Richards and KH. However, it’s not my money and I don’t control a market which I thought would be softer. I do like the shorter deals with team options. It gives them flexibility to trade for prospects if they flourish or cut ties after’21 if they falter. Barring a Beni trade, they have $13M (probably closer to $10M accounting for callups). I still think they can go the CF/RP route but recent signings limit their options if they want to stay under the tax. Two potential paths: Get the band back together: JBJ and a cheap reliever, maybe a Workman reunion. Workman slots in middle relief/setup. JBJ re-unites the ‘20 OF. Renfroe primarily plays against lefties. KH splits time at 2b and you sprinkle him at other positions, always getting him in against lefties. Bolster the pen, roster mix and match - Colome to compete with Barnes as closer. Go cheap to get another CF option, Almora or Pillar. With a Beni trade, maybe you could squeeze LaStella under the cap. He becomes the everyday 2b and gives Dalbec a breather at 1b against some righties. It fills all the roster needs but I think the LaStella ship may have sailed while it marginalizes Arroyo’s use and value, I’m not sure $13 million gets them JBJ and Workman. I also think they probably don’t want to go right up to the “cap” line and leave no wiggle room. If I’m Bloom, I get one more bullpen arm and call it a day with money left to address some stuff as it comes in spring or during the season. I don’t see a reason to resign JBJ after getting two outfielders — I mean, yes, if they trade Beni, they’ll need someone, but I don’t see Bloom trading Beni to save money and then turning around and using it on Jackie. And I don’t sign LaStella over simply running through internal options. |
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Post by iakovos11 on Jan 23, 2021 15:19:09 GMT -5
10 million seems a tad steep but for just 1 year I'm not going to complain. I foresee many comments questioning why they didn't sign Kluber instead though. Main reason: Kluber wanted to sign with the team that employs his trainer. It would have required a huge overpay to get Kluber to sign with Boston (and even that may not have worked). No thanks. Some guys might not want to play in Boston (as their home), some might have specific reasons for signing with a certain team. It takes two to tango and it's not always Bloom/Red Sox decision or their unwillingness to match an offer as the reason a deal doesn't get done. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 23, 2021 15:19:32 GMT -5
This is an interesting article. I found especially of interest the fact that his elbow cleared imaging in 2017. So for all the bashing of how he chose therapy in 2016, his elbow appeared healthy in 2017. In other words, there is evidence the path he took in 2016 was successful and he had a second, separate blow out in 2018. Indeed, all signs point to a pitcher who has basically blow out his elbow twice in the last five years. I'm not surprised you read an article that makes a very good case his lack of starts was basically one injury and waiting on TJ and come to a 100% different conclusion. The writer used the word seemed and remember this is from the team that didn't want him to have TJ surgery to begin with. We've seen this many times before and the majority of player end up getting TJ surgery. |
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 23, 2021 15:24:11 GMT -5
10 million seems a tad steep but for just 1 year I'm not going to complain. I foresee many comments questioning why they didn't sign Kluber instead though. Main reason: Kluber wanted to sign with the team that employs his trainer. It would have required a huge overpay to get Kluber to sign with Boston (and even that may not have worked). No thanks. Some guys might not want to play in Boston (as their home), some might have specific reasons for signing with a certain team. It takes two to tango and it's not always Bloom/Red Sox decision or their unwillingness to match an offer as the reason a deal doesn't get done. Haha yes, there were definitely some factors that made him choose the Yankees over the sox to which you point out it would have taken an overpay to get him. I wasn't saying I would be one of those complaining but saying it a little tongue in cheek. |
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Post by manfred on Jan 23, 2021 15:24:54 GMT -5
This is an interesting article. I found especially of interest the fact that his elbow cleared imaging in 2017. So for all the bashing of how he chose therapy in 2016, his elbow appeared healthy in 2017. In other words, there is evidence the path he took in 2016 was successful and he had a second, separate blow out in 2018. Indeed, all signs point to a pitcher who has basically blow out his elbow twice in the last five years. I'm not surprised you read an article that makes a very good case his lack of starts was basically one injury and waiting on TJ and come to a 100% different conclusion. The writer used the word seemed and remember this is from the team that didn't want him to have TJ surgery to begin with. We've seen this many times before and the majority of player end up getting TJ surgery. I noticed the writer said “seemed.” It was interesting that the writer who *seems* not to be a doctor or to have seen the scans calls into question what was clearly a diagnosis: the scan showed no damage. Then he goes on to say Richards was healthy the next spring. I can tell you, having had Tommy John, the injury is not one comes and goes: if you have a blown elbow, you don’t come to spring good to go, start strong, then feel bad again. It is constant agony. |
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Jan 23, 2021 15:55:04 GMT -5
Why does this mean JBJ is gone? I’d rather spend on him than two grubby relievers. We can figure out the bullpen as we go, but elite up-the-middle defense plays every single day. I am assuming they don’t have space left in the budget. Could be wrong, sure. Couldn’t we also just get one good reliever? That might be my preference actually, with Hernández and Duran in the picture. I’d be on with bringing Bradley back too rather than another pen arm. For the reason mentioned above. Then pen also shortens out a bit in the playoffs and we could potentially move a starter there. |
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Post by jimoh on Jan 23, 2021 15:56:59 GMT -5
If my math is right that leaves the sox with about 13 million to the luxury tax. Need at least a reliever, probably 2 and a left handed hitting 2nd baseman or cf. I have to think something is going to happen with Pedroia at some point before Spring Training. There is no move they can do with Pedroia what will help the luxury tax. 40-man, yes, luxury tax, no. |
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Post by jimoh on Jan 23, 2021 15:58:50 GMT -5
It's great we have so many sports doctors on this site.
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Post by benzinger on Jan 23, 2021 16:10:46 GMT -5
Richards probably signs for 1yr/$8m or 2yr/$16m(something like that). I doubt anyone would give him a 3rd year. So he doesn’t break the bank or limit their future in any way. I guess I don’t understand all the sentimentality over someone like JBJ? This was a “beloved player”? A great glove with a below league-average bat? You haven’t seen enough of that by now? I’m ready to move on. I definitely agree on Devers, but the next couple years are about clearing the books(Price, JDM, Pedroia, Eovaldi) and retooling. Devers should be part of that plan. I guess the flip side is: why on the one hand be praying to clear the books of Eovaldi but pursuing a guy who is a very similar pitcher... while also stripping yourself for parts? I’m looking at this in the context of the post-2018 glow. In that time, they’ve overspent on Eovaldi, decided to dump stars they can’t afford, BUT taken on money that seems pointless. Let’s put it this way: let’s assume you get 5 wins out of Kiké and Richards... so now you are, what, an 87-88 win team? But that is $15 million that doesn’t do anything for a long term goal either. It’d rather it were dedicated to year one of Devers’ extension so we know he is locked in for 6-7 years as an example. Add: because I don’t want them to sign the Andrieses, Hernandezes, and Richardses, and then as Devers approaches FA, have them wring their hands and say “we’re close to the penalty and don’t want to pay it.” We’ve been there already. I’m just being realistic. This team appears to have little chance of contending in 2021. They have a lot of bloated contracts on the payroll and some of it CAN be moved. Eovaldi is one of those guys. He has 2 years left at $34m. He’d probably get 2yr/$16m in the open market right now? If he starts well, they might be able to eat some money and move him. Same with JDM. 2yrs/$40m left on him could definitely be moved if he hits the way we know he can. Unfortunately, they still owe Price $32m over the next 2 years and Pedroia is on the books for $12m this year. But they are close to having some real flexibility with the roster. I think Bloom is on the right track. He’s just filling out the roster with some reasonable short-term deals for now. Hopefully he makes some trades to get a few prospects in the system over these next 2 couple years. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 23, 2021 16:22:33 GMT -5
Richards cost more than I thought he would. Not too much in the way of "bargains" this offseason.
The initial thought was there would be a ton of bargain basement when Brad Hand passed through waivers unclaimed. I'll guess he'll make more on the free agent market that when he could have been claimed.
I would have thought you could get a pitcher like Richards for 5 million in addition to a guy like Happ for 8 - 10 million, which would have been preferable but the problem is that Richards wound up going for 10 million so they used 4.5 million to bring back Perez. I'd rather have had Happ in addition to Richards and have not spent $7 million on Kiké Hernandez. You probably can get Almora and Holt/LaStella for a combined $3 million or less.
Still a good deal for the Sox. Richards, when healthy, can pitch. If he's past what was giving him health issues, he can be a good pitcher, and has value, whether the team is in contention or not.
So at least the Sox have five identifiable starters for the upcoming season in E-Rod, Eovaldi, Richards, Perez, and Pivetta, and that explains why they have Andriese and Whitlock as swingmen, given the health track record and performance track record of those five starters.
With what they got left I would guess we see a closer although they will wait and see if they can get Colome for $6 or $7 million or if they go after Jeffress and/or Kela.
I'd say they're not going after JBJ anymore, which really makes me wish they would have dealt him in August last year, instead of getting nothing for him.
Maybe you see a Mitch Moreland reunion although if the NL keeps the DH that might open up a slot for him somewhere either DHing or playing 1b and moving a NL 1b over to the DH slot.
Other than the bullpen I think there's an endsight to what Bloom is doing. I don't think he's going to trade Benintendi, but it's not a non-zero thing.
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Post by benzinger on Jan 23, 2021 16:26:11 GMT -5
10 million seems a tad steep but for just 1 year I'm not going to complain. I foresee many comments questioning why they didn't sign Kluber instead though. Kluber didn’t want to come to Boston anyway. And why would he when he can get great money from the Yankees? The Red Sox might have lost 100 games if there was a full season in 2020. The Yankees are a perennial playoff team. Kluber is certainly looking to chase a ring at this stage and going to the Yankees clearly gives him a better shot at that. All the said, I think Richards will contribute more in 2021 than Kluber will. Kluber has thrown 36 innings in 2 years. I don’t trust him at all. |
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 23, 2021 16:33:16 GMT -5
I'm not surprised you read an article that makes a very good case his lack of starts was basically one injury and waiting on TJ and come to a 100% different conclusion. The writer used the word seemed and remember this is from the team that didn't want him to have TJ surgery to begin with. We've seen this many times before and the majority of player end up getting TJ surgery. I noticed the writer said “seemed.” It was interesting that the writer who *seems* not to be a doctor or to have seen the scans calls into question what was clearly a diagnosis: the scan showed no damage. Then he goes on to say Richards was healthy the next spring. I can tell you, having had Tommy John, the injury is not one comes and goes: if you have a blown elbow, you don’t come to spring good to go, start strong, then feel bad again. It is constant agony. I'm sorry but that's just not true, it depends what grade tear you have in the UCL and how your body responds. Everyone is different, we've seen some guys go years and other like Sale get TJ because the plasma injection didn't work. I'm fairly certain you know this. www.mlb.com/news/garrett-richards-to-have-tommy-john-surgery-c285379814He's not talking about constant agony, just arm not bouncing back and velocity loss. |
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Jan 23, 2021 17:01:00 GMT -5
I noticed the writer said “seemed.” It was interesting that the writer who *seems* not to be a doctor or to have seen the scans calls into question what was clearly a diagnosis: the scan showed no damage. Then he goes on to say Richards was healthy the next spring. I can tell you, having had Tommy John, the injury is not one comes and goes: if you have a blown elbow, you don’t come to spring good to go, start strong, then feel bad again. It is constant agony. I'm sorry but that's just not true, it depends what grade tear you have in the UCL and how your body responds. Everyone is different, we've seen some guys go years and other like Sale get TJ because the plasma injection didn't work. I'm fairly certain you know this. www.mlb.com/news/garrett-richards-to-have-tommy-john-surgery-c285379814He's not talking about constant agony, just arm not bouncing back and velocity loss. His velocity by most accounts is back. Its more or less the confidence in his stuff that isn't. Although he did look good last year with a small sample size. |
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