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Red Sox FA Target: Garrett Richards (Signed)
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Post by Jimmy on Jun 29, 2021 8:02:17 GMT -5
This guy is like Goldilocks... first it’s too cold, now it’s too hot. Enough
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Post by cdj on Jun 29, 2021 8:04:00 GMT -5
He’s saying that the sweat makes it hard for him to grip the ball. That’s a completely reasonable take and he was saying it as a direct response to a question. I mean Christ
I don’t know if any of you have ever pitched but it absolutely does impact your grip on the ball
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Post by Jimmy on Jun 29, 2021 8:08:46 GMT -5
He’s saying that the sweat makes it hard for him to grip the ball. That’s a completely reasonable take and he was saying it as a direct response to a question. I mean Christ I don’t know if any of you have ever pitched but it absolutely does impact your grip on the ball I understand that on its own. But seems like there’s always something for this guy and even his own teammates are calling him a head case at this point
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Post by patford on Jun 29, 2021 9:07:59 GMT -5
Maybe Richards would benefit from a talk with Pedro. I saw a clip recently where Pedro discussed how rosin and sweat can be "burned" resulting in a better grip. It involved giving the ball what kids used to cal an "Indian burn." Which is to say when you rub something really hard the friction creates heat and that heat causes the sweat and rosin to form a tacky substance which apparently be legal unless you happen to be Hector Santiago. Or so he says.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 29, 2021 10:58:20 GMT -5
We're doing another round of berating a player for not conforming himself to PR expectations and best practices I see. Like the other day, O'Brien and Remy were talking about how he was being "perhaps a little too honest" about his struggles... It drives me nuts. I get why public relations people want players to dissemble and obfuscate, but why would *we* want guys to not be honest about what they're going through? It's why I have a soft spot for players like David Price and Alex Rodriguez who either don't care about the PR BS or are just really bad at it (and why I loathe Derek Jeter).
I think the sweat thing is interesting. It's notable that he never would have had to deal with it much playing his whole career on the west coast; maybe it is something he can make an adjustment to now that he's playing in this godforsaken east coast climate.
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Post by patford on Jun 29, 2021 11:03:14 GMT -5
We're doing another round of berating a player for not conforming himself to PR expectations and best practices I see. Like the other day, O'Brien and Remy were talking about how he was being "perhaps a little too honest" about his struggles... It drives me nuts. I get why public relations people want players to dissemble and obfuscate, but why would *we* want guys to not be honest about what they're going through? It's why I have a soft spot for players like David Price and Alex Rodriguez who either don't care about the PR BS or are just really bad at it (and why I loathe Derek Jeter). I think the sweat thing is interesting. It's notable that he never would have had to deal with it much playing his whole career on the west coast; maybe it is something he can make an adjustment to now that he's playing in this godforsaken east coast climate. Agreed. Given the fact he hung in there and gave the team nearly six innings is to his credit.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jun 29, 2021 11:14:07 GMT -5
I don't know, I think from a certain lens, Richards is giving information away to the enemy because he wants to be more likeable/relateable to the fans and media. Maybe it doesn't make a big difference, but he certainly isn't making the Oakland A's advance scout's job harder by talking about exactly what he was going through with his grip and correcting the reporter that his "sinker" was actually a changeup that he learned four days ago.
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Post by greenmonster on Jun 29, 2021 11:20:34 GMT -5
He’s saying that the sweat makes it hard for him to grip the ball. That’s a completely reasonable take and he was saying it as a direct response to a question. I mean Christ I don’t know if any of you have ever pitched but it absolutely does impact your grip on the ball Agreed....and furthermore for anyone who might not currently be in the northeast. It was/is blistering hot. Yesterday was 98F w/ 65% humidity. I broke out in a sweat just walking to the mailbox. Today is similar
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Post by manfred on Jun 29, 2021 11:20:41 GMT -5
We're doing another round of berating a player for not conforming himself to PR expectations and best practices I see. Like the other day, O'Brien and Remy were talking about how he was being "perhaps a little too honest" about his struggles... It drives me nuts. I get why public relations people want players to dissemble and obfuscate, but why would *we* want guys to not be honest about what they're going through? It's why I have a soft spot for players like David Price and Alex Rodriguez who either don't care about the PR BS or are just really bad at it (and why I loathe Derek Jeter). I think the sweat thing is interesting. It's notable that he never would have had to deal with it much playing his whole career on the west coast; maybe it is something he can make an adjustment to now that he's playing in this godforsaken east coast climate. I think it is when a guy makes excuses that people get on him. Has he ever seen Bauer? Dude is soaked through. The idea that he is *unusually* hampered by sweat, a biological function that long precedes the game, seems like lame grasping. Take responsibility. You lost an edge when you stopped cheating, and now you are struggling. End of story.
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Post by jerrygarciaparra on Jun 29, 2021 11:34:44 GMT -5
As I said in Game thread, there are gonne be certain guys that needed that stuff more than others. With that caveat understood, I am gonna give the guy some rope here. He chose his path, but was encouraged along the way. He probably doesn't have the stuff to be a starter.
Interesting last night, he didnt walk anyone. Maybe he will adjust.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 29, 2021 11:44:54 GMT -5
We're doing another round of berating a player for not conforming himself to PR expectations and best practices I see. Like the other day, O'Brien and Remy were talking about how he was being "perhaps a little too honest" about his struggles... It drives me nuts. I get why public relations people want players to dissemble and obfuscate, but why would *we* want guys to not be honest about what they're going through? It's why I have a soft spot for players like David Price and Alex Rodriguez who either don't care about the PR BS or are just really bad at it (and why I loathe Derek Jeter). I think the sweat thing is interesting. It's notable that he never would have had to deal with it much playing his whole career on the west coast; maybe it is something he can make an adjustment to now that he's playing in this godforsaken east coast climate. I think it is when a guy makes excuses that people get on him. Has he ever seen Bauer? Dude is soaked through. The idea that he is *unusually* hampered by sweat, a biological function that long precedes the game, seems like lame grasping. Take responsibility. You lost an edge when you stopped cheating, and now you are struggling. End of story. This is basically what he said, which is what O'Brien referred to as "a little too honest." I guess if you want to treat him as a Bad Person because he "cheated" (i.e., engaged in a practed that was tacitly allowed by MLB and common, much like steroids back in the day) you can do that, but personally I find the moralism applied to baseball - uniquely among sports - pretty tedious.
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Post by tjb21 on Jun 29, 2021 12:33:05 GMT -5
Same^.
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Post by patford on Jun 29, 2021 13:06:03 GMT -5
As I said in Game thread, there are gonne be certain guys that needed that stuff more than others. With that caveat understood, I am gonna give the guy some rope here. He chose his path, but was encouraged along the way. He probably doesn't have the stuff to be a starter. Interesting last night, he didnt walk anyone. Maybe he will adjust. I don't know that he doesn't have the stuff to be a starter. One of the few frustrating things about the Sox so far this year is the number of times their bats have gone silent against guys sitting at 90mph.
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Post by ericmvan on Jun 29, 2021 13:53:25 GMT -5
We're doing another round of berating a player for not conforming himself to PR expectations and best practices I see. Like the other day, O'Brien and Remy were talking about how he was being "perhaps a little too honest" about his struggles... It drives me nuts. I get why public relations people want players to dissemble and obfuscate, but why would *we* want guys to not be honest about what they're going through? It's why I have a soft spot for players like David Price and Alex Rodriguez who either don't care about the PR BS or are just really bad at it (and why I loathe Derek Jeter). I think the sweat thing is interesting. It's notable that he never would have had to deal with it much playing his whole career on the west coast; maybe it is something he can make an adjustment to now that he's playing in this godforsaken east coast climate. I think it is when a guy makes excuses that people get on him. Has he ever seen Bauer? Dude is soaked through. The idea that he is *unusually* hampered by sweat, a biological function that long precedes the game, seems like lame grasping. Take responsibility. You lost an edge when you stopped cheating, and now you are struggling. End of story. C'mon, dude. Pitchers usually ice their arm after a star is over for fundamentally medical reasons. He was icing mid-game, which is weird. He was asked why. He answered the question.
This wouldn't be an excuse even if he were getting hit hard after he iced. But he wasn't; he was doing shockingly well. I think the most you can get on his case for is using confusing verb tenses.
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Post by manfred on Jun 29, 2021 14:00:47 GMT -5
I think it is when a guy makes excuses that people get on him. Has he ever seen Bauer? Dude is soaked through. The idea that he is *unusually* hampered by sweat, a biological function that long precedes the game, seems like lame grasping. Take responsibility. You lost an edge when you stopped cheating, and now you are struggling. End of story. C'mon, dude. Pitchers usually ice their arm after a star is over for fundamentally medical reasons. He was icing mid-game, which is weird. He was asked why. He answered the question.
This wouldn't be an excuse even if he were getting hit hard after he iced. But he wasn't; he was doing shockingly well. I think the most you can get on his case for is using confusing verb tenses.
Fair. If he’s asked, he can answer.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 2, 2021 6:53:31 GMT -5
Wow. Richards has two options left. He can refuse the option and become a free agent, but I believe that would negate his current contract. It would likely cost him many millions.
In AAA he could re-invent himself without pressure.
Furthermore, if they DFA him, would anyone claim him with that contract? It seems very unlikely.
I think he ends up in Worcester when Houck is ready to take his rotation spot. A DFA if he's still getting roughed up, optioned if he seems to be making decent progress but doesn't project as well as Houck.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jul 2, 2021 8:04:44 GMT -5
Wow. Richards has two options left. He can refuse the option and become a free agent, but I believe that would negate his current contract. It would likely cost him many millions.
In AAA he could re-invent himself without pressure.
Furthermore, if they DFA him, would anyone claim him with that contract? It seems very unlikely.
I think he ends up in Worcester when Houck is ready to take his rotation spot. A DFA if he's still getting roughed up, optioned if he seems to be making decent progress but doesn't project as well as Houck.
Interesting, I think you are correct I doubt hed choose free agency if it voided the remaining 5ish million he's owed. He's fighting to stay in the league and his next contract is probably going to be a minor league or at the least league minimum deal with maybe some incentives. It'd seem a bad idea to flush 5 mil in the hand down the drain. Maybe it would be good to send him down and work on reinventing himself down in AAA.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 2, 2021 9:29:20 GMT -5
Wow. Richards has two options left. He can refuse the option and become a free agent, but I believe that would negate his current contract. It would likely cost him many millions.
In AAA he could re-invent himself without pressure. Furthermore, if they DFA him, would anyone claim him with that contract? It seems very unlikely. I think he ends up in Worcester when Houck is ready to take his rotation spot. A DFA if he's still getting roughed up, optioned if he seems to be making decent progress but doesn't project as well as Houck.
I don't think that's how it works. I think he just straight up needs to consent to assignment to a minor league club. It's just "shall not." I think you might be thinking of outright waivers, in which a player with 3-5 years of service time can elect free agency but that means they're voiding their contract. If they DFA him, what does he care? He's still getting paid and now someone else will pick him up for the prorated minimum. He's got to be hopeless before they cut him loose.
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Post by jimoh on Jul 2, 2021 10:12:06 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 2, 2021 10:58:22 GMT -5
Wow. Richards has two options left. He can refuse the option and become a free agent, but I believe that would negate his current contract. It would likely cost him many millions.
In AAA he could re-invent himself without pressure. Furthermore, if they DFA him, would anyone claim him with that contract? It seems very unlikely. I think he ends up in Worcester when Houck is ready to take his rotation spot. A DFA if he's still getting roughed up, optioned if he seems to be making decent progress but doesn't project as well as Houck.
I don't think that's how it works. I think he just straight up needs to consent to assignment to a minor league club. It's just "shall not." I think you might be thinking of outright waivers, in which a player with 3-5 years of service time can elect free agency but that means they're voiding their contract. If they DFA him, what does he care? He's still getting paid and now someone else will pick him up for the prorated minimum. He's got to be hopeless before they cut him loose. I absolutely made that confusion.
A further question. A team that claims him on waivers absorbs his contract, correct? That's why expensive bust players clear waivers. It's only when they clear and become a free agent that the old team is on the hook for the cash.
So, if he clears (and he would), he can be outrighted without his consent if he has never been outrighted in his career. And it certainly seems as if he has not.
So the Sox are in fact in the driver's seat. Obviously they want to keep him in the organization, for depth, and it's a mutual good fit -- Richards is trying to re-invent himself, and he's doing so with the same org that transformed Nick Pivetta. If they ask for his consent to be optioned, why wouldn't he accept? His odds of returning to the team, e.g., when a starting pitcher gets hurt (contrary to impressions, this does happen in MLB, not just in the minors), are much better if he's still on the 40-man.
I'll have to figure out whether they could use the 40-man space. Hey, there's a thread for that!
Now, if between now and the time Houck is ready, he starts pitching well enough that contenders would be interested, that changes everything. We'll work that one out if it happens.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 2, 2021 11:32:41 GMT -5
No, he can be outrighted without his consent if he hasn't been outrighted and hasn't yet reached 3 years. So in other words, he can't. (Here's the link I'm sure you're about to search for: www.thecubreporter.com/book/export/html/3530 They really do such a good job of explaining outright waivers.) You're correct on the contract thing though. But if he clears he's gone and they eat his money. I'm not sure we're there yet. He wouldn't consent to being optioned because he doesn't want to go to Worcester, ride a bus, and pitch in AAA, when there would almost certainly be a team that would pay him the MLB minimum to pitch in the majors. I mean he got through 5 in his last MLB start. He's not completely broken. They've already fixed him once mechanically this year while pitching in the rotation, right? I feel like the most likely place they try to "fix" him, if it comes to that, is the bullpen. Call up Houck, DFA Workman, and have Richards figure it out in short stints.
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Post by ericmvan on Jul 2, 2021 12:31:56 GMT -5
No, he can be outrighted without his consent if he hasn't been outrighted and hasn't yet reached 3 years. So in other words, he can't. (Here's the link I'm sure you're about to search for: www.thecubreporter.com/book/export/html/3530 They really do such a good job of explaining outright waivers.) You're correct on the contract thing though. But if he clears he's gone and they eat his money. I'm not sure we're there yet. He wouldn't consent to being optioned because he doesn't want to go to Worcester, ride a bus, and pitch in AAA, when there would almost certainly be a team that would pay him the MLB minimum to pitch in the majors. I mean he got through 5 in his last MLB start. He's not completely broken. They've already fixed him once mechanically this year while pitching in the rotation, right? I feel like the most likely place they try to "fix" him, if it comes to that, is the bullpen. Call up Houck, DFA Workman, and have Richards figure it out in short stints. I know that website and have used it often, but was stupid enough to trust Wikipedia, which doesn't mention the 3-seasons clause. (Not to be confused with the one-season Claus). I'll fix that if I have the time.
Yes -- if there comes a point where Houck is a better rotation candidate, then Richards has to to to the pen.
But how do you then make room for Sale? The easy answer is you option Yacksel Rios, but I think he's going to quickly establish himself as a guy too good to send down.
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Post by manfred on Jul 2, 2021 12:44:59 GMT -5
No, he can be outrighted without his consent if he hasn't been outrighted and hasn't yet reached 3 years. So in other words, he can't. (Here's the link I'm sure you're about to search for: www.thecubreporter.com/book/export/html/3530 They really do such a good job of explaining outright waivers.) You're correct on the contract thing though. But if he clears he's gone and they eat his money. I'm not sure we're there yet. He wouldn't consent to being optioned because he doesn't want to go to Worcester, ride a bus, and pitch in AAA, when there would almost certainly be a team that would pay him the MLB minimum to pitch in the majors. I mean he got through 5 in his last MLB start. He's not completely broken. They've already fixed him once mechanically this year while pitching in the rotation, right? I feel like the most likely place they try to "fix" him, if it comes to that, is the bullpen. Call up Houck, DFA Workman, and have Richards figure it out in short stints. I know that website and have used it often, but was stupid enough to trust Wikipedia, which doesn't mention the 3-seasons clause. (Not to be confused with the one-season Claus). I'll fix that if I have the time.
Yes -- if there comes a point where Houck is a better rotation candidate, then Richards has to to to the pen.
But how do you then make room for Sale? The easy answer is you option Yacksel Rios, but I think he's going to quickly establish himself as a guy too good to send down.
It seems like partly it depends on how close Sale is. If he is still, say, a month-ish out, it is probably a wait-and-see because injuries could still creep up. If Richards goes to the pen for Houck, maybe Andriese becomes expendable?
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