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Red Sox FA Target: Garrett Richards (Signed)
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jan 22, 2021 20:27:53 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 22, 2021 20:33:36 GMT -5
Wouldn't mind Richards for cheap on a 1 year deal.
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Post by splendidsplinter on Jan 22, 2021 21:01:29 GMT -5
Looks like a “Bloom” light special.
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Post by manfred on Jan 22, 2021 21:10:54 GMT -5
Hey he was really good when he last pitched a full season in.... {checks}.... er, 2015.
Maybe Boston General will split his salary: Sox pay for his 12 starts, hospital pays to use him as elbow dummy for surgical interns.
Richards and Eovaldi on the same staff is definitely stepping on Superman’s cape.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 22, 2021 21:40:34 GMT -5
He did start 10 games and pitched in 14 last year. It was a shortened season but he made it through relatively healthy it seems. If his medicals check out then I think it could be a good addition. He had Tommy John in 2018, maybe he's finally tuned the corner on that.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Jan 22, 2021 21:46:51 GMT -5
Wouldn't mind Richards for cheap on a 1 year deal. Yeah I suggested Paxton earlier, but Richards serves the same purpose. Trade deadline candidate. Hopefully he can stay healthy for that long.
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Post by chr31ter on Jan 22, 2021 22:21:28 GMT -5
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Post by manfred on Jan 22, 2021 22:34:08 GMT -5
He did start 10 games and pitched in 14 last year. It was a shortened season but he made it through relatively healthy it seems. If his medicals check out then I think it could be a good addition. He had Tommy John in 2018, maybe he's finally tuned the corner on that. He was supposed to have TJ in 2016, but chose a different procedure. Then he did have it in 2018. Call that one or two injuries, but it is not great. Would you take the over if I set his starts this year at over/under 20? My issue really is that this is a season that is not in the plans... so rather than sign a high risk/high reward guy — with a decent chance of paying a guy to rehab — I’d really prefer a low risk/low reward innings eater — or a sunk cost internal option.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 22, 2021 22:41:01 GMT -5
He did start 10 games and pitched in 14 last year. It was a shortened season but he made it through relatively healthy it seems. If his medicals check out then I think it could be a good addition. He had Tommy John in 2018, maybe he's finally tuned the corner on that. He was supposed to have TJ in 2016, but chose a different procedure. Then he did have it in 2018. Call that one or two injuries, but it is not great. Would you take the over if I set his starts this year at over/under 20? My issue really is that this is a season that is not in the plans... so rather than sign a high risk/high reward guy — with a decent chance of paying a guy to rehab — I’d really prefer a low risk/low reward innings eater — or a sunk cost internal option. I would not take the over but after watching some of the guys they trotted out there last year to start for them I'll take Richards over guys like Godley and Mazza. If its a 1 year deal for low money I'm all for it. If he stays healthy he's a decent trade chip for the deadline.
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Post by manfred on Jan 22, 2021 22:47:26 GMT -5
He was supposed to have TJ in 2016, but chose a different procedure. Then he did have it in 2018. Call that one or two injuries, but it is not great. Would you take the over if I set his starts this year at over/under 20? My issue really is that this is a season that is not in the plans... so rather than sign a high risk/high reward guy — with a decent chance of paying a guy to rehab — I’d really prefer a low risk/low reward innings eater — or a sunk cost internal option. I would not take the over but after watching some of the guys they trotted out there last year to start for them I'll take Richards over guys like Godley and Mazza. If its a 1 year deal for low money I'm all for it. If he stays healthy he's a decent trade chip for the deadline. True, and trade chips would be great. I do think they have far more interesting backend pitching depth this year than last with Houck, Pivetta, Seabold... and ERod back and Sale in July.
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Post by ematz1423 on Jan 22, 2021 22:56:41 GMT -5
I would not take the over but after watching some of the guys they trotted out there last year to start for them I'll take Richards over guys like Godley and Mazza. If its a 1 year deal for low money I'm all for it. If he stays healthy he's a decent trade chip for the deadline. True, and trade chips would be great. I do think they have far more interesting backend pitching depth this year than last with Houck, Pivetta, Seabold... and ERod back and Sale in July. Hate to say this but it wouldn't be the worst thing to add a guy like richards even if he's only healthy for a month or two in order to keep seabold and/or Houck down in the minors for service time purposes. It's not something a good red sox team should care about but we're not exactly looking at the next great sox team this coming season.
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Post by incandenza on Jan 22, 2021 23:55:58 GMT -5
He did start 10 games and pitched in 14 last year. It was a shortened season but he made it through relatively healthy it seems. If his medicals check out then I think it could be a good addition. He had Tommy John in 2018, maybe he's finally tuned the corner on that. He was supposed to have TJ in 2016, but chose a different procedure. Then he did have it in 2018. Call that one or two injuries, but it is not great. Would you take the over if I set his starts this year at over/under 20? My issue really is that this is a season that is not in the plans... so rather than sign a high risk/high reward guy — with a decent chance of paying a guy to rehab — I’d really prefer a low risk/low reward innings eater — or a sunk cost internal option. This seems backwards to me. I see the 2021 Red Sox as a playoff team *if* a couple things go right. That's where you'd want to take a stab on a high risk/high reward bet - if he's one of the things that goes right, that could make the difference! That's why I would have liked the idea of signing Kluber. Honestly, Richards wasn't even on my radar, but he seems like a pretty good poor man's version of Kluber: the injury risk is there, obviously, but he has a 3.62 career ERA - essentially the same as Jon Lester, for comparison. And he's 2 years younger than Kluber.
So maybe he works out and the team's good. Or maybe he works out and the team's bad anyway, but he's a deadline trade chip. Or maybe he doesn't work out and the team stinks as it would have anyways, so no harm, no foul. By contrast, what's the upside on a low risk.low reward innings eater? And isn't that Perez, anyways? How many Perezes do we need?
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Post by manfred on Jan 23, 2021 0:04:23 GMT -5
He was supposed to have TJ in 2016, but chose a different procedure. Then he did have it in 2018. Call that one or two injuries, but it is not great. Would you take the over if I set his starts this year at over/under 20? My issue really is that this is a season that is not in the plans... so rather than sign a high risk/high reward guy — with a decent chance of paying a guy to rehab — I’d really prefer a low risk/low reward innings eater — or a sunk cost internal option. This seems backwards to me. I see the 2021 Red Sox as a playoff team *if* a couple things go right. That's where you'd want to take a stab on a high risk/high reward bet - if he's one of the things that goes right, that could make the difference! That's why I would have liked the idea of signing Kluber. Honestly, Richards wasn't even on my radar, but he seems like a pretty good poor man's version of Kluber: the injury risk is there, obviously, but he has a 3.62 career ERA - essentially the same as Jon Lester, for comparison. And he's 2 years younger than Kluber.
So maybe he works out and the team's good. Or maybe he works out and the team's bad anyway, but he's a deadline trade chip. Or maybe he doesn't work out and the team stinks as it would have anyways, so no harm, no foul. By contrast, what's the upside on a low risk.low reward innings eater? And isn't that Perez, anyways? How many Perezes do we need?
I accept that if you see them that way. I don’t. I think if they had signed Bauer and Springer, they might have gotten a WC (though I doubt it), but they’d still be going nowhere fast.
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Post by tyler3 on Jan 23, 2021 0:54:06 GMT -5
I mean did not a lot of his health issues come from him taking a plasma rich injection to stave off tommy John? What I mean to say is that he was one of the best, had ligament damage, tried to avoid surgery, didn’t wok and then had tommy John. Has he been hurt since coming back from that? Not being snarky just wondering.
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Post by umassgrad2005 on Jan 23, 2021 1:01:45 GMT -5
Not my first choice, yet I can get behind this.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 23, 2021 1:04:30 GMT -5
It's funny. While I hated to see the Sox sign Kiké Hernandez and bring back Martin Perez, I actually would like a Garrett Richards signing.
Obviously injuries have derailed his career and it would hardly be shocking to see him get injured and contribute next to nothing. Given what the Red Sox look like, it wouldn't be the end of the world. They could stink with or without Richards.
However, Richards was mainly healthy for the Padres last year and pitched reasonably well and has a track record of pitching well when healthy.
If he's healthy, he actually could be an effective pitcher, and if he is, he could be a solid trade chip that Bloom could convert into a decent prospect.
If the Sox had been able to wrangle Kluber or more realistically had they outbid the Twins for Happ, a Happ and Richards pairing would have been nice additions to the Red Sox, and I would have liked the teams' prospects for a competitive season a little better, particularly if they had improved the bullpen.
But as a stand-alone move, I actually do think a Garrett Richards signing could be astute.
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Post by manfred on Jan 23, 2021 1:28:04 GMT -5
The guy has basically pitched one, maybe two full seasons in his career. ZIPS projects him to throw 70 innings this year; Steamer 139; baseball reference 123. Do the Sox need a guy who pitches 120-140 innings? I mean, I guess he could “platoon” with Sale. But it is interesting to me that team that is suddenly tight with money would sign a guy who has basically been inactive for five years. Yeah he pitched a “full” season last year... but it was still only 10 starts (which, for him, was a good number!).
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Jan 23, 2021 1:36:42 GMT -5
The guy has basically pitched one, maybe two full seasons in his career. ZIPS projects him to throw 70 innings this year; Steamer 139; baseball reference 123. Do the Sox need a guy who pitches 120-140 innings? I mean, I guess he could “platoon” with Sale. But it is interesting to me that team that is suddenly tight with money would sign a guy who has basically been inactive for five years. Yeah he pitched a “full” season last year... but it was still only 10 starts (which, for him, was a good number!). They'd get more out of his 120 innings than they will Perez's 160. Frankly, if he's healthy I'd expect about 80 innings out of him before they deal him to a contender, and if he's pitching well, he could fetch something useful. His peripherals have always been decent. Good K/BB ratio, doesn't give up too many HRs. He can pitch. With him, it's a matter of staying healthy. Perhaps he has a year or two window before the injuries start back in. Maybe the Sox can take advantage of it. Like I said, he could be an asset. I wouldn't expect him to be on the next highly competitive Red Sox team, but he could possibly get them a guy who could be.
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Post by electricityverdugo99 on Jan 23, 2021 4:20:42 GMT -5
Just glad they avoided Odorizzi for multiple years. Signing Richards was the smart play.
If you're going to retool the roster, better off doing it while there's no fans in the stands.
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Post by greenmonster on Jan 23, 2021 7:45:17 GMT -5
Just glad they avoided Odorizzi for multiple years. Signing Richards was the smart play. If you're going to retool the roster, better off doing it while there's no fans in the stands. Is this a done deal? Haven't seen anything other than the Sox are talking to him
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Post by cdj on Jan 23, 2021 7:49:01 GMT -5
Missed working with him in the cape league by a year or two.
Haven’t seen him throw in a bit but he was always pretty hard to square up.
Love the potential acquisition, hopefully they finalize it. They can hold onto him for a future rotation spot or flip him at the deadline depending on how he looks and what the market is like.
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Post by dcb26 on Jan 23, 2021 7:56:44 GMT -5
The guy has basically pitched one, maybe two full seasons in his career. ZIPS projects him to throw 70 innings this year; Steamer 139; baseball reference 123. Do the Sox need a guy who pitches 120-140 innings? I mean, I guess he could “platoon” with Sale. Yes? Isnt this exactly what's needed? Given what's out there and where the team stands now, the Sox need someone who can help them get to the second half of the year when hopefully Sale and some of the guys who need more time in the minors can contribute. It seems like a situation where a few good innings is a lot more valuable to the Sox than a lot of average ones. Sure, a pitcher who could give you a lot of good innings would be better, but a move like this would seem like a nice mix of supporting the team's chances of contending if things break right for them, while not overextending if they don't.
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Post by cdj on Jan 23, 2021 8:18:33 GMT -5
The guy has basically pitched one, maybe two full seasons in his career. ZIPS projects him to throw 70 innings this year; Steamer 139; baseball reference 123. Do the Sox need a guy who pitches 120-140 innings? I mean, I guess he could “platoon” with Sale. But it is interesting to me that team that is suddenly tight with money would sign a guy who has basically been inactive for five years. Yeah he pitched a “full” season last year... but it was still only 10 starts (which, for him, was a good number!). Dude they need guys that can pitch any amount of innings lol
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Post by chr31ter on Jan 23, 2021 9:15:02 GMT -5
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Post by jdb on Jan 23, 2021 9:15:52 GMT -5
So we have roughly 23M to stay under the tax I would think Richards takes up at least 6-8 with needs for CF, RP and a LH bench bat?
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