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Post by jkfer98 on Oct 2, 2021 1:35:29 GMT -5
I already see people overthinking things on Twitter (shocking). Unless we win tomorrow and both Toronto and Seattle lose, you throw Sale Sunday and if there’s a 1 game playoff Monday you throw Nate and you just figure out the Wild Card game if you get there. Cant be saving guys when there might be no tomorrow.
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Post by arquimedezbozo on Oct 2, 2021 6:35:35 GMT -5
I already see people overthinking things on Twitter (shocking). Unless we win tomorrow and both Toronto and Seattle lose, you throw Sale Sunday and if there’s a 1 game playoff Monday you throw Nate and you just figure out the Wild Card game if you get there. Cant be saving guys when there might be no tomorrow. Totally agree but who do you throw Sunday in that scenario, as home field in the WC game will still be at stake when they take the field on Sunday, regardless of what the Yankees do today.
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Post by soxinsf on Oct 2, 2021 15:12:29 GMT -5
I already see people overthinking things on Twitter (shocking). Unless we win tomorrow and both Toronto and Seattle lose, you throw Sale Sunday and if there’s a 1 game playoff Monday you throw Nate and you just figure out the Wild Card game if you get there. Cant be saving guys when there might be no tomorrow. Totally agree but who do you throw Sunday in that scenario, as home field in the WC game will still be at stake when they take the field on Sunday, regardless of what the Yankees do today. Go for the home field advantage if we can. And then worry about next steps when you have to. Never give up the advantage.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 3, 2021 0:18:31 GMT -5
A complete table of outcomes for tomorrow. Bos NYY Tor Sea WC1 WC2 G 163 G 164 Note W W n/a n/a Bos NYY W L W W Bos 3-way Sea at NYY Tor at NYY OR [1] Tor at Sea W L W L Bos tie NYY at Tor W L L W Bos tie Sea at NYY W L L L Bos NYY L W W W NYY 3-way Tor at Sea Bos at Tor OR [2] Bos at Sea L W W L NYY tie Tor at Bos L W L W NYY tie Sea at Bos L W L L NYY Bos L L W W 4-way 4-way NYY at Bos [3] Sea at Tor L L W L 3-way 3-way Tor at Bos Tor at NYY OR [4] Bos at NYY L L L W 3-way 3-way NYY at Bos NYY at Sea OR [4] Bos at Sea L L L L Bos NYY [1] Winner of G 163 hosts the Jays, who have the tiebreaker and only have to win 1 game. The dream outcome is the Mariners ending the Yankees' season, and then we get to face either a Mariners team that has made three coast-to-coast flights in 3 days, or a Jays team that has done it twice.
[2] Same thing with us in the tie. We either have to beat Toronto or Seattle in their parks, but both of those clubs have to win twice to advance.
[3] Two pairs of games, winners become the WC. Yankees have a choice between us and the Jays, and need to beat us both to get to the DS -- once in a game 163 and once in the WC. Their only hope of hosting the WC is to have the Mariners beat whoever they don't pick, and a) the Jays went 2-4 against them while we went 4-3, b) they have to beat us either way, so why not knock us out of the playoffs completely?, and c) reliving 1978 would be hard to resist. So I think they choose to play us.
Home field (WC1) pecking order is Bos, Tor, NYY, Sea.
[4] With 3 teams tied for both spots, the first seed hosts the second and the winner of that game advances. The loser goes on the road to play the third seed. So we can earn the 1st WC by beating Toronto if they're in, or NYY if the Mariners are in. Corrected: We can also become WC 2 by losing that game and, in our second chance, beating the Yankees or Mariners in their park. If we lose twice, then Toronto earns the 1st WC over NYY, or NYY eares it over Sea. As the seeding is based on the tie-breakers, whoever wins the Monday game is WC1 and the winner of the Tuesday game is WC2.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Oct 3, 2021 5:30:25 GMT -5
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Post by widewordofsport on Oct 3, 2021 8:25:45 GMT -5
The 'bracket' format for a 4 way tie is great. As is picking the opponent.
Eric - Thanks for putting that together. Im just assuming you are right on all this, it's making my brain hurt.
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Post by incandenza on Oct 3, 2021 9:32:59 GMT -5
When the wild card "playoff" is a one-game "series," and the tie-breaking procedure to make the wild card involves a one (or two) game play-in, the distinction between regular season and playoffs would seem to have entirely collapsed. I hereby declare that any team that makes it to a tie-breaker game has in fact made the playoffs.
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Post by DesignatedForAssignment on Oct 3, 2021 10:53:55 GMT -5
The 'bracket' format for a 4 way tie is great. As is picking the opponent. Eric - Thanks for putting that together. Im just assuming you are right on all this, it's making my brain hurt. We can peer review his work when one game is a blowout ... eliminating some outcomes Somebody will. Events, too.
If the finish is
NYY 92-71 TOR 92-72 Bos 91-72
Does NYY get wildcard ONE ?
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Post by foreverred9 on Oct 3, 2021 11:01:28 GMT -5
The 'bracket' format for a 4 way tie is great. As is picking the opponent. Eric - Thanks for putting that together. Im just assuming you are right on all this, it's making my brain hurt. We can peer review his work when one game is a blowout ... eliminating some outcomes Somebody will. Events, too.
If the finish is
NYY 92-71 TOR 92-72 Bos 91-72
Does NYY get wildcard ONE ?
EDIT: Nevermind, I'm confused. Can this scenario even happen? Tor/Bos would play game 163 and the loser would play NYY. For NYY to be 92-71 they would have to win game 164 against the loser of game 163, so that means one of the teams need to have 73 losses.
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Post by ericmvan on Oct 3, 2021 11:09:28 GMT -5
The 'bracket' format for a 4 way tie is great. As is picking the opponent. Eric - Thanks for putting that together. Im just assuming you are right on all this, it's making my brain hurt. We can peer review his work when one game is a blowout ... eliminating some outcomes Somebody will. Events, too.
If the finish is
NYY 92-71 TOR 92-72 Bos 91-72
Does NYY get wildcard ONE ?
That's not a possible set of outcomes, as in that three way tie, we either go 1-0 and earn a WC or 1-1 and lose it. But I think you are correct that the final season records determine the WC 1 vs. 2. I'm going to revise note [4].
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Post by soxinsf on Oct 3, 2021 14:46:12 GMT -5
We can peer review his work when one game is a blowout ... eliminating some outcomes Somebody will. Events, too.
If the finish is
NYY 92-71 TOR 92-72 Bos 91-72
Does NYY get wildcard ONE ?
That's not a possible set of outcomes, as in that three way tie, we either go 1-0 and earn a WC or 1-1 and lose it. But I think you are correct that the final season records determine the WC 1 vs. 2. I'm going to revise note [4]. If the situation is so complicated that Eric is revising his view of it, I think the only solution is for the Sox to win and the Yankees to lose. Anything else and we may need a Ouiji board to figure it out.
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Post by ghostofrussgibson on Oct 3, 2021 17:35:46 GMT -5
Devers... dang!
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Post by arquimedezbozo on Oct 3, 2021 18:02:51 GMT -5
Quite the race it was. Never a dull moment.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Oct 3, 2021 18:20:00 GMT -5
After all that no tiebreaker games necessary.
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