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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 9, 2021 19:51:48 GMT -5
Gallo is a pretty good 1B. It's all about acquiring the best players and sorting it out later. Like with what the Sox did at the deadline with Schwarber. That's what you do at the deadline, not during the offseason. They have choices. They are too RH already. They need a CF. They SHOULD value Suzuki less because he fits their team worse. That doesn't mean they won't be stupid, but it's stupid. The yankees do need a CF but if you look at what's left in free agency it's really really slim pickings. The best one left is maybe Brett Gardner? They're probably better off hoping hicks can bounce back or that Gallo can play a good enough CF and sign a corner OF. Which is where Suzuki comes in to play but I think a guy like conforto is a better fit for them.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 9, 2021 19:56:40 GMT -5
I agree the fit is harder to see with conforto but I'm not totally discounting him as an option. He's been an above average hitter most of his career with some years well above average. Is 28 so theoretically should be still in his prime. As you point out the defense is the bigger issue than the handedness in my mind as he's probably better off in LF. In terms of free agent outfield options my rankings would go Suzuki, Schwarber who is probably about as good a hitter than conforto and should be cheaper, conforto and pham. Pham would be a mostly last case scenario situation though. I prefer Suzuki and agree that Conforto on LF with Verdugo in RF makes the most sense. The current platoon looks like it could be Arroyo/JBJ (with Kiké playing CF/2B) in which case Conforto would make the OF very LH-heavy, but he wouldn't affect the platoon. They would need a RHH bench bat, but I'm assuming that Conforto & Verdugo with start vs righties and lefties, right? So Plawecki or utility infielder to-be-named-later can be that RHH in a pinch. Why do you expect Schwarber to be cheaper than Conforto? Most sites I've seen have Schwarber ranked just ahead of Conforto - given the down year Conforto just had. And don't forget, Schwarber is a whole 4 days younger! Good point on Schwarber vs conforto. I did some googling to check out the predictions on the various sites. Most had Schwarber in the 4 year 70-80 range and conforto settling for 1 year 20 million or so. I'm assuming the thought on that would be for him to bet on himself and rebuild value. As a guy who would cost a draft pick I don't love the thought of a 1 year deal. Although a one year deal has some benefits as well.
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Post by taiwansox on Dec 9, 2021 20:00:44 GMT -5
They still have Aaron Hicks on their payroll, don’t forget about him! I didn't, but I'm already counting on him to be a sunk cost. I'm sure they'll keep playing him for awhile before giving up. They also have a hole at 1B. I was joking lol, but you actually bring up an interesting point about 1B too since they also have Luke Voit. I could see them signing a Colin Moran type. They’ve really gotten cheap over the last 5 years (outside the Cole signing)
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Post by wcsoxfan on Dec 9, 2021 20:18:36 GMT -5
I prefer Suzuki and agree that Conforto on LF with Verdugo in RF makes the most sense. The current platoon looks like it could be Arroyo/JBJ (with Kiké playing CF/2B) in which case Conforto would make the OF very LH-heavy, but he wouldn't affect the platoon. They would need a RHH bench bat, but I'm assuming that Conforto & Verdugo with start vs righties and lefties, right? So Plawecki or utility infielder to-be-named-later can be that RHH in a pinch. Why do you expect Schwarber to be cheaper than Conforto? Most sites I've seen have Schwarber ranked just ahead of Conforto - given the down year Conforto just had. And don't forget, Schwarber is a whole 4 days younger! Good point on Schwarber vs conforto. I did some googling to check out the predictions on the various sites. Most had Schwarber in the 4 year 70-80 range and conforto settling for 1 year 20 million or so. I'm assuming the thought on that would be for him to bet on himself and rebuild value. As a guy who would cost a draft pick I don't love the thought of a 1 year deal. Although a one year deal has some benefits as well. Agreed - giving up a pick for Conforto on a short contract seems like a poor use of resources. But also signing him to a long-term deal after his power disappeared last year seems like a poor play. In general Conforto worries me - he consistently has below-average exit velocities along with below-average BABIPs. Generally guys with lower BABIPs get overvalued by projection systems and I think his 2020 (with a .412 BABIP!) is an outlier. I really wanted Castellanos last time he was a free agent as I thought he would make a good 1st baseman, but with Casas around the corner that need in waning. Bryant is a good player, but I think you'll have to give him 3rd baseman money to play in the OF, which is another poor use of resources. He's a really good 3rd baseman but as an OFer he's nothing special. Which brings us all the way back to Suzuki - he's the guy. Let's hope it happens.
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 9, 2021 20:19:11 GMT -5
That's what you do at the deadline, not during the offseason. They have choices. They are too RH already. They need a CF. They SHOULD value Suzuki less because he fits their team worse. That doesn't mean they won't be stupid, but it's stupid. Well I don't what to tell you! They are one of the most interested suiters for Suzuki. Could be posturing to raise the cost. They have bigger fish to fry with all those bloated contracts and Judge coming due.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 9, 2021 20:26:36 GMT -5
Good point on Schwarber vs conforto. I did some googling to check out the predictions on the various sites. Most had Schwarber in the 4 year 70-80 range and conforto settling for 1 year 20 million or so. I'm assuming the thought on that would be for him to bet on himself and rebuild value. As a guy who would cost a draft pick I don't love the thought of a 1 year deal. Although a one year deal has some benefits as well. Agreed - giving up a pick for Conforto on a short contract seems like a poor use of resources. But also signing him to a long-term deal after his power disappeared last year seems like a poor play. In general Conforto worries me - he consistently has below-average exit velocities along with below-average BABIPs. Generally guys with lower BABIPs get overvalued by projection systems and I think his 2020 (with a .412 BABIP!) is an outlier. I really wanted Castellanos last time he was a free agent as I thought he would make a good 1st baseman, but with Casas around the corner that need in waning. Bryant is a good player, but I think you'll have to give him 3rd baseman money to play in the OF, which is another poor use of resources. He's a really good 3rd baseman but as an OFer he's nothing special. Which brings us all the way back to Suzuki - he's the guy. Let's hope it happens. The more I read in here and the points made in regards to Suzuki in my eyes he is pretty easily the best fit out there on the free agent market for the outfield. He sounds like a solid very capable RF, he is a righty which would give them some good flexibility with 2 righty and two lefty OF options health permitting. If the power he's shown in Japan translates at all he could be very fun to watch in fenway. I'd love to see him in the 5-6 spot in the lineup on opening day I'm with you let's hope it happens and the bidding doesn't go overly high.
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Post by baseball3 on Dec 9, 2021 20:27:20 GMT -5
Well I don't what to tell you! They are one of the most interested suiters for Suzuki. Could be posturing to raise the cost. They have bigger fish to fry with all those bloated contracts and Judge coming due. The Sox also have a high end reliever/closer they need to acquire. They have a Short Stop playing out of position. There's also the complicated Devers extension. The Sox have similar problems.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 9, 2021 20:34:05 GMT -5
Well I don't what to tell you! They are one of the most interested suiters for Suzuki. Could be posturing to raise the cost. They have bigger fish to fry with all those bloated contracts and Judge coming due. I do have to wonder how far the yankees are willing to go on Suzuki. Due to their bloated contracts I think I have to wonder if they're more likely to go after more of a sure thing. As much as I want Suzuki on the sox there is substantial risk he doesn't pan out and with hicks already being a sunk cost do they really want to risk a potential 2nd sunken cost OF? The Red Sox seemingly are in a better position to assume that risk than the yankees are.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Dec 9, 2021 20:50:12 GMT -5
Could be posturing to raise the cost. They have bigger fish to fry with all those bloated contracts and Judge coming due. I do have to wonder how far the yankees are willing to go on Suzuki. Due to their bloated contracts I think I have to wonder if they're more likely to go after more of a sure thing. As much as I want Suzuki on the sox there is substantial risk he doesn't pan out and with hicks already being a sunk cost do they really want to risk a potential 2nd sunken cost OF? The Red Sox seemingly are in a better position to assume that risk than the yankees are. For the Yankees, they want to 'be in' on every big-name free agent and every player the Red Sox are in on. Cashman may be serious, but he may also just be trolling to drive up the price. He loves doing it, and the agents love him doing it. For the Red Sox, this goes back to the JBJ trade. Suzuki's floor IS JBJ. Whatever you think JBJ would produce is RF (I think he would recover from last year and be at least a 1 WAR player) is the worst-case-scenario. But Suzuki has the most upside, with that swing made for Fenway. He just needs to hit that MLB inside fastball.
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Post by saltalamacchia4mvp on Dec 9, 2021 23:25:16 GMT -5
Well, he unfollowed them 😂 Must have seen the stories written about it.
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Post by baseball3 on Dec 9, 2021 23:47:03 GMT -5
Well, he unfollowed them 😂 Must have seen the stories written about it. Yeah never read into the social media. What a trap that is.
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Post by willacky on Dec 9, 2021 23:51:26 GMT -5
His nickname in japan is "Japanese Mike Trout " . I really hope we'll get him.
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Post by bosoxnation on Dec 10, 2021 2:58:55 GMT -5
It’s crazy how everyone wants this man over Schwarber. I’m blown away.
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 10, 2021 4:39:48 GMT -5
It’s crazy how everyone wants this man over Schwarber. I’m blown away. I'm not sure that is the case, I would be happy with either one. I think many on here feel the same way but it is the OF D that would concern people with Schwarber, unless they unloaded JD. The depth in the OF should include Duran but his performance last yr when called up has really tempered the enthusiasm around him, fairly or not. He certainly wasn't the only rookie who struggled a lot when given the chance last yr. It is funny though how so many were clamoring for his debut and now he isn't discussed at all in any role.
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Post by baseball3 on Dec 10, 2021 4:54:59 GMT -5
It’s crazy how everyone wants this man over Schwarber. I’m blown away. I'm not sure that is the case, I would be happy with either one. I think many on here feel the same way but it is the OF D that would concern people with Schwarber, unless they unloaded JD. The depth in the OF should include Duran but his performance last yr when called up has really tempered the enthusiasm around him, fairly or not. He certainly wasn't the only rookie who struggled a lot when given the chance last yr. It is funny though how so many were clamoring for his debut and now he isn't discussed at all in any role. Not to get off topic, but one of the reasons why the Duran excitement has gone down is because of the strikeouts. He looked like Chavis at the plate from the left side. Couldn't hit high fastballs. Always chased. Struck out 35 percent of the time, which is pretty bad.
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Post by voiceofreason on Dec 10, 2021 7:14:02 GMT -5
I'm not sure that is the case, I would be happy with either one. I think many on here feel the same way but it is the OF D that would concern people with Schwarber, unless they unloaded JD. The depth in the OF should include Duran but his performance last yr when called up has really tempered the enthusiasm around him, fairly or not. He certainly wasn't the only rookie who struggled a lot when given the chance last yr. It is funny though how so many were clamoring for his debut and now he isn't discussed at all in any role. Not to get off topic, but one of the reasons why the Duran excitement has gone down is because of the strikeouts. He looked like Chavis at the plate from the left side. Couldn't hit high fastballs. Always chased. Struck out 35 percent of the time, which is pretty bad. Hey I get it completely in fact I have supported trading him to a team that can afford to let him play and develop, it looks like he needs a lot of playing time. Like Oakland for example with all the guys they have on the block, Duran IMO should be included in a deal to get something from the A's. It is hard to put him out there on a team that is trying to contend when he needs the reps, we all saw that last yr with Dalbec. I think Duran could be a very good player but he isn't there yet. Reminds me of Josh Reddick in some ways but he has serious speed that Reddick didn't.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Dec 10, 2021 7:17:02 GMT -5
It’s crazy how everyone wants this man over Schwarber. I’m blown away. New toy always more shiny than the old one. Personally I'll take both. Suzuki replaces Renfroe and Schwarber replaces Dalbec. Won't happen but would be a boss move.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 10, 2021 8:00:07 GMT -5
It’s crazy how everyone wants this man over Schwarber. I’m blown away. For me personally its because Schwarber is a short term solution to the outfield as he's just not very good out there and our outfield defense would be pretty ugly in the corners as Verdugo is better suited for LF. If Suzuki is as good as advertised you got you're RF and LF set for several years.
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Post by alan on Dec 10, 2021 9:44:31 GMT -5
Could be posturing to raise the cost. They have bigger fish to fry with all those bloated contracts and Judge coming due. The Sox also have a high end reliever/closer they need to acquire. They have a Short Stop playing out of position. There's also the complicated Devers extension. The Sox have similar problems. Completely different situations, we basically only have Barnes penciled in for 2023, others are either free agents, in arbitration, or have options that the team or player will probably decline. Yankees already have 94 million-ish on the books for 2023. Also we've been way better at developing players than the Yankees, you could argue the only good players they've develop over the past 10 years are Aaron Judge and Luis Severino. So chances are they have to buy more players, while we have guys like Casas, Yorke, Mayer (just to name a few) coming up ready to contribute and will be cheap in 2023.
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Post by alan on Dec 10, 2021 9:48:21 GMT -5
It’s crazy how everyone wants this man over Schwarber. I’m blown away. Seiya is cheaper (although a longer commitment), plays way better defense, and has the potential to be a Schwarber-like hitter (very patient at the plate with plus power). I prefer Seiya over Schwarber, but my dream scenario is sign Seiya, resign Schwarber to a short-term but high AAV deal, and trade Bobby, Duran and other pieces for Frankie Montas or Chris Bassitt.
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Post by incandenza on Dec 10, 2021 10:46:51 GMT -5
Also this:
I had heard the concern that he might not be able to catch up to MLB velocity, but based on this passage that's just a generic concern about any Japanese player coming over, nothing specific about Seiya, who, if anything, looks especially well-prepared for the adjustment. Is that right, or am I missing something?
Also, random aside... I wonder why we've never seen a really good Japanese infielder in MLB? It's all pitchers and outfielders. Looks like the fWAR leader among infielders is Tadahito Iguchi, at 6.6. Though for that matter, I guess only about three outfielders have bettered that mark (Aoki, Matsui, and Ichiro).
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Post by bosoxnation on Dec 10, 2021 11:59:37 GMT -5
It’s crazy how everyone wants this man over Schwarber. I’m blown away. Seiya is cheaper (although a longer commitment), plays way better defense, and has the potential to be a Schwarber-like hitter (very patient at the plate with plus power). I prefer Seiya over Schwarber, but my dream scenario is sign Seiya, resign Schwarber to a short-term but high AAV deal, and trade Bobby, Duran and other pieces for Frankie Montas or Chris Bassitt. Y’all are seriously giving up on Duran after 107 ABs!!!!! That makes me sick to my stomach honestly.
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Post by ematz1423 on Dec 10, 2021 12:05:09 GMT -5
Seiya is cheaper (although a longer commitment), plays way better defense, and has the potential to be a Schwarber-like hitter (very patient at the plate with plus power). I prefer Seiya over Schwarber, but my dream scenario is sign Seiya, resign Schwarber to a short-term but high AAV deal, and trade Bobby, Duran and other pieces for Frankie Montas or Chris Bassitt. Y’all are seriously giving up on Duran after 107 ABs!!!!! That makes me sick to my stomach honestly. I don't think anyone is giving up on Duran. I still think he will be a viable major leaguer starter at some point, it's just that you have to give something to get something.
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Post by incandenza on Dec 10, 2021 12:26:19 GMT -5
Seiya is cheaper (although a longer commitment), plays way better defense, and has the potential to be a Schwarber-like hitter (very patient at the plate with plus power). I prefer Seiya over Schwarber, but my dream scenario is sign Seiya, resign Schwarber to a short-term but high AAV deal, and trade Bobby, Duran and other pieces for Frankie Montas or Chris Bassitt. Y’all are seriously giving up on Duran after 107 ABs!!!!! That makes me sick to my stomach honestly. No, I'm giving up on Duran after seeing 223 innings of outfield defense from him.
(I'm not really giving up on Duran. I just think he got to be overrated last season and I think he'll have to hit really well to make up for his poor defense. And the Red Sox would probably have to suffer through a pretty painful period of adjustment, a la Dalbec last season, until he got there. So he would make a good trade candidate, if there is a trade partner out there that values him as highly as the public prospect lists do and are willing to ride out his period of adjustment.)
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Post by radiohix on Dec 10, 2021 12:34:55 GMT -5
Y’all are seriously giving up on Duran after 107 ABs!!!!! That makes me sick to my stomach honestly. I don't think anyone is giving up on Duran. I still think he will be a viable major leaguer starter at some point, it's just that you have to give something to get something. It’s not just the 107 MLB ABs, in 242 AAA PAs he has a mediocre contact% on swings of 67.8%. Speedsters tend to get overrated by prospects communities (See Jimenez, Gilberto)
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