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4/5-4/7 Red Sox @ Blue Jays Series Thread
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Post by klostrophobic on Apr 7, 2013 14:19:36 GMT -5
My heart skipped a beat there.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 7, 2013 14:20:35 GMT -5
I thought it had a chance for a second there.
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Post by ray88h66 on Apr 7, 2013 14:21:53 GMT -5
This is fun. I can't wait for batting practice to be over and the game starts.
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Post by soxfan06 on Apr 7, 2013 14:24:09 GMT -5
Can we hire Dave Bush to throw batting practice every day?
Keep the guys confidence high.....or maybe he can throw to any Red Sox in the HR derby
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Post by marrcus on Apr 7, 2013 14:34:04 GMT -5
The Jays fans can go back to booing but this time it should be their own pitching.
Hopefully they will show some class and not (where's Youk) throw at anybody.
I want to see that Nava swing again it looked so easy.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 7, 2013 14:48:53 GMT -5
Wasn't this offense supposed to be terrible without Ortiz? Yes, when facing crappy left handed pitching. See Pettite and Happ. Happ is probably a 4th or 5th starter, though he did hit his spots yesterday. As for Pettitte, I'm not sure you want to label a guy with well over 200 wins, someone who'll get some consideration for the HoF, crappy. He's done that to the Sox dozens of times and you know what? He'll probably do it again before he' retires. Coming to you from the great northwest
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Apr 7, 2013 14:52:28 GMT -5
I know the talk of the game is the power surge, but I'm really like 1) Lester continuing to pitch well in his second start and 2) Ellsbury starting to show some speed. Maybe that has more to do with Farrell but it's good to see him running again
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Post by bsout2 on Apr 7, 2013 14:59:05 GMT -5
Yes, when facing crappy left handed pitching. See Pettite and Happ. Happ is probably a 4th or 5th starter, though he did hit his spots yesterday. As for Pettitte, I'm not sure you want to label a guy with well over 200 wins, someone who'll get some consideration for the HoF, crappy. He's done that to the Sox dozens of times and you know what? He'll probably do it again before he' retires. Coming to you from the great northwest I just meant this old version of Pettitte. I feel like he got lucky against us, his stuff did not seem like anything special the other day.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 7, 2013 15:28:01 GMT -5
All of you who panicked about JBJ starting the year on the Sox can rest easy. It's clear JBJ needs AAA time. He will be sent down when Ortiz returns. And to whomever was rooting for him to struggle out of the gate....congrats. Wow, it's almost like the 100+ competitive games last year have more predictive power than 50 odd ABs against pitchers grooving fastballs in spring training. WHO COULD HAVE POSSIBLY KNOWN?!
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Post by bluechip on Apr 7, 2013 15:37:08 GMT -5
All of you who panicked about JBJ starting the year on the Sox can rest easy. It's clear JBJ needs AAA time. He will be sent down when Ortiz returns. And to whomever was rooting for him to struggle out of the gate....congrats. Wow, it's almost like the 100+ competitive games last year have more predictive power than 50 odd ABs against pitchers grooving fastballs in spring training. WHO COULD HAVE POSSIBLY KNOWN?! Pedroia needed more time in 2007 as well, right, when he struggled in April?
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 7, 2013 16:04:42 GMT -5
Wow, it's almost like the 100+ competitive games last year have more predictive power than 50 odd ABs against pitchers grooving fastballs in spring training. WHO COULD HAVE POSSIBLY KNOWN?! Pedroia needed more time in 2007 as well, right, when he struggled in April? That's not what he said. He said that his performance last year was more predictive of how he'd do than the 50 at-bats he got in spring training. And the situations aren't comparable. Pedroia had 600+ ABs in Triple-A and even had a cup of coffee with Boston at the end of 2006. Bradley even has fewer Double-A at-bats than Pedroia did (256-229). The comparison would be apt if Bradley were struggling at the beginning of NEXT season and the team stuck with him. By the way, I'm positive that nobody is rooting for Bradley to fail, so can we all drop the righteous indignation that has become part of this debate over Bradley? The team made its call, and he's probably going back to Pawtucket on 4/19 if Ortiz's rehab goes as planned.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 7, 2013 16:16:25 GMT -5
It's worked out well given that they needed help at the beginning of the season, but even if he kills when they get back to Boston, there won't be room for him once Ortiz is off the DL. He's a good player and he'll be back up, probably this year at some point. He needs to play regularly to keep developing. He won't get that if he's on the bench.
Edit: In case anyone's failed to notice it, Nava's a professional hitter. He deserves a regular role on the team, as much because they need him as because he needs the job. As long as he's healthy he's a real asset.
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Post by fenwaythehardway on Apr 7, 2013 16:21:05 GMT -5
All spring, I heard that Bradley should be a starting outfielder on the Red Sox based on present talent. It was about the Sox showing their commitment to winning by putting the best possible team on the field. And yes, we're still in the extremely small sample size phase of the season but he sure looks the part of a very talented player who nevertheless is going to need more than 200-odd AA plate appearances before he'll be ready for the big leagues.
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Post by ray88h66 on Apr 7, 2013 16:21:34 GMT -5
Wow, it's almost like the 100+ competitive games last year have more predictive power than 50 odd ABs against pitchers grooving fastballs in spring training. WHO COULD HAVE POSSIBLY KNOWN?! Pedroia needed more time in 2007 as well, right, when he struggled in April? I don't think Pedroia compares to Bradley at all. As Chris stated, Pedroia had a lot more at bats at a higher level. He also was tearing the cover off the ball and hitting 318 at AAA. Bradley hit 271 at AA and was slumping at the end of the season. Fans fell in love with stats that shouldn't matter. They can be excused. Management should have known better.Hopefully it doesn't hurt his development. I was against having Bradley start the season on the big club, but I was hoping he'd tear it up once he made the club. Service time be damed.
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Post by elguapo on Apr 7, 2013 16:30:01 GMT -5
we're still in the extremely small sample size phase of the season I edited out the rank hypocrisy. Now you're making sense!
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Post by jimoh on Apr 7, 2013 16:39:25 GMT -5
All spring, I heard that Bradley should be a starting outfielder on the Red Sox based on present talent. It was about the Sox showing their commitment to winning by putting the best possible team on the field. And yes, we're still in the extremely small sample size phase of the season but he sure looks the part of a very talented player who nevertheless is going to need more than 200-odd AA plate appearances before he'll be ready for the big leagues. This is also exactly what he looked like when I and many others saw him play for Salem last summer: like someone with an excellent chance to be special in a couple of years.
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Post by danr on Apr 7, 2013 17:14:56 GMT -5
Edit: In case anyone's failed to notice it, Nava's a professional hitter. He deserves a regular role on the team, as much because they need him as because he needs the job. As long as he's healthy he's a real asset. This still is one of my favorite Red Sox stories of recent years. He has improved every part of his game each year.
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Post by soxfan06 on Apr 7, 2013 17:59:42 GMT -5
All spring, I heard that Bradley should be a starting outfielder on the Red Sox based on present talent. It was about the Sox showing their commitment to winning by putting the best possible team on the field. And yes, we're still in the extremely small sample size phase of the season but he sure looks the part of a very talented player who nevertheless is going to need more than 200-odd AA plate appearances before he'll be ready for the big leagues. Nope. Maybe by some...but he was brought here because he was the best option for the Red Sox at the position RIGHT NOW with the injuries and such. You want to be all righteous and say you knew better than the Sox, so be it. But he was the best option coming out of Spring training. I believe this cup of tea will be good for him in the long run as he will now know what he needs to work on to improve at the big league level. But the fact that there were people actually hoping for him to fail, just so they could be right and say that he should have started in Triple A was so lame.
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Post by templeusox on Apr 7, 2013 18:03:00 GMT -5
Edit: In case anyone's failed to notice it, Nava's a professional hitter. He deserves a regular role on the team, as much because they need him as because he needs the job. As long as he's healthy he's a real asset. He's been pretty bad vs LHP, but yes, he can definitely be an adequate platoon partner with Gomes.
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Post by chavopepe2 on Apr 7, 2013 18:09:07 GMT -5
All spring, I heard that Bradley should be a starting outfielder on the Red Sox based on present talent. It was about the Sox showing their commitment to winning by putting the best possible team on the field. And yes, we're still in the extremely small sample size phase of the season but he sure looks the part of a very talented player who nevertheless is going to need more than 200-odd AA plate appearances before he'll be ready for the big leagues. Nope. Maybe by some...but he was brought here because he was the best option for the Red Sox at the position RIGHT NOW with the injuries and such. You want to be all righteous and say you knew better than the Sox, so be it. But he was the best option coming out of Spring training. I believe this cup of tea will be good for him in the long run as he will now know what he needs to work on to improve at the big league level. But the fact that there were people actually hoping for him to fail, just so they could be right and say that he should have started in Triple A was so lame. No one did this. You are making up a story in your head if you think people were rooting for JBJ to fail.
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Post by zimmerdown on Apr 7, 2013 18:17:45 GMT -5
I'm positive that nobody is rooting for Bradley to fail, so can we all drop the righteous indignation that has become part of this debate over Bradley? The team made its call, and he's probably going back to Pawtucket on 4/19 if Ortiz's rehab goes as planned. No, but there was the argument by a couple posters that were afraid that he would play too well and they would be "forced" to keep him here. Which is pretty ridiculous IMO, but I know that's not what FTHW is saying. Maybe this was a "baseball" decision and they really felt that he was the best option. And I could see this being something that they felt would sell some tickets. But he's definitely not lost up there. His defense is outstanding and he has a solid approach. I wouldn't say that the team would be better off without him (while Ortiz is out). I think this will be his cup of coffee and we will see him again later in the year. He's definitely not going to be given the time that Pedroia was given to get it going. I don't think there will ever be an issue with his service time. If he is really playing that well that they can't demote him, that's not a bad thing. If he's helping you win games you don't worry about service time. If he not he goes down when Ortiz gets back, as probably he already knows will happen.
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Post by bjb406 on Apr 7, 2013 18:23:25 GMT -5
Beaslwy is in his first week in teh majors. You are supposed to expect some growing pains, even if he wasn't skipping AAA.
Calling him up was based on the fact that he is a strong well balanced player, better than our alternatives, and far enough along in his development to be able continue his development in the majors. My biggest problem with calling him up is some people are expecting Mike Trout from day 1 and are going to complain about anything less.
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Post by bluechip on Apr 7, 2013 18:23:31 GMT -5
Pedroia needed more time in 2007 as well, right, when he struggled in April? That's not what he said. He said that his performance last year was more predictive of how he'd do than the 50 at-bats he got in spring training. And the situations aren't comparable. Pedroia had 600+ ABs in Triple-A and even had a cup of coffee with Boston at the end of 2006. Bradley even has fewer Double-A at-bats than Pedroia did (256-229). The comparison would be apt if Bradley were struggling at the beginning of NEXT season and the team stuck with him. By the way, I'm positive that nobody is rooting for Bradley to fail, so can we all drop the righteous indignation that has become part of this debate over Bradley? The team made its call, and he's probably going back to Pawtucket on 4/19 if Ortiz's rehab goes as planned. I think the issue for both the first six games if this season, and spring training, are sample size. It was the same for Pedroia in 2007. The team made a decision about what was best based upon its own judgment of the player from watching his approach, ect. It should not change that judgment based upon a trivial number of games. If the decision was to play Bradley until Ortiz returns, then it should continue with that plan.
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Post by mattpicard on Apr 7, 2013 18:24:43 GMT -5
Edit: In case anyone's failed to notice it, Nava's a professional hitter. He deserves a regular role on the team, as much because they need him as because he needs the job. As long as he's healthy he's a real asset. This still is one of my favorite Red Sox stories of recent years. He has improved every part of his game each year. Absolutely! He doesn't get enough credit, and injuries derailed a large part of his 2012 season (including when he played through them). He went from being a terrible defensive player who could only be stuck in LF to a solid LF'er with the ability to step in at 1B and RF without giving much of a scare at all. Naturally, 1B will be a work in progress as he gains more experience, but I wonder how much he varies from Napoli in defensive value. Offensively, he's an asset to have against righties. While some may thing that's a bit of a stretch, I really do love his approach. He works the count every at bat, and hits with gap power to all fields. When Bradley goes down, there's no need to fret. The Nava/Gomes platoon is more productive than one would think at first glance, and it favors the better defender (Nava) playing the majority of the time. How about Mike Carp finally seeing a pitch today? Only one though, as he lined out to Reyes immediately. Seems like he's having a good time on the team though, I saw him laughing with Victorino in the dugout a couple times.
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Post by grandsalami on Apr 7, 2013 18:53:18 GMT -5
This still is one of my favorite Red Sox stories of recent years. He has improved every part of his game each year. Absolutely! He doesn't get enough credit, and injuries derailed a large part of his 2012 season (including when he played through them). He went from being a terrible defensive player who could only be stuck in LF to a solid LF'er with the ability to step in at 1B and RF without giving much of a scare at all. Naturally, 1B will be a work in progress as he gains more experience, but I wonder how much he varies from Napoli in defensive value. Offensively, he's an asset to have against righties. While some may thing that's a bit of a stretch, I really do love his approach. He works the count every at bat, and hits with gap power to all fields. When Bradley goes down, there's no need to fret. The Nava/Gomes platoon is more productive than one would think at first glance, and it favors the better defender (Nava) playing the majority of the time. How about Mike Carp finally seeing a pitch today? Only one though, as he lined out to Reyes immediately. Seems like he's having a good time on the team though, I saw him laughing with Victorino in the dugout a couple times. When did last years team enjoy themselves..... Its good....
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