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Post by benzinger on Mar 24, 2022 14:47:07 GMT -5
How funny would it be if Renfroe regressed and JBJ bounced back just enough to hold more value than Renfroe? It's certainly a plausible scenario. “So you’re saying there’s a chance”.... It’s possible that JBJ was the worst player in all of MLB last year. It would be hard to find someone who accomplished less with more opportunity. Renfroe, meanwhile, was really breaking out and looking very comfortable in Fenway. He even makes a lot less money than JBJ. I am not sure I will ever understand this move, but they need an upgrade from JBJ. He should be viewed as defensive replacement mostly. He’s not a starter.
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Post by carl4sox on Mar 24, 2022 14:47:08 GMT -5
I agree about Margot. How much would the Rays want?
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Post by soxaddict on Mar 24, 2022 14:53:43 GMT -5
Recently DFA’d 1B/OF Matt Beaty would be a really nice fit, IMO. Huge upgrade over Shaw and can play the outfield.
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Post by benzinger on Mar 24, 2022 14:58:46 GMT -5
Recently DFA’d 1B/OF Matt Beaty would be a really nice fit, IMO. Huge upgrade over Shaw and can play the outfield. Excellent candidate. Would definitely be an upgrade, too.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 24, 2022 14:59:17 GMT -5
Recently DFAâd 1B/OF Matt Beaty would be a really nice fit, IMO. Huge upgrade over Shaw and can play the outfield. Not as a 3rd OF. He's LH and barely has played any OF. The only upgrade this team could use is a RH CF who they can slide into RF, which needs a CF playing there. If you get a LH OF, then JBJ wouldn't even be able to platoon with anyone other than Kiké Hernandez.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Mar 24, 2022 15:19:53 GMT -5
I kind of want to see Bobby Dalbec out there in RF. Honestly what do we have to lose? Other than Bobby Dalbec.
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 24, 2022 15:25:35 GMT -5
I kind of want to see Bobby Dalbec out there in RF. Honestly what do we have to lose? Other than Bobby Dalbec. Other than games not much.
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 24, 2022 15:27:11 GMT -5
Dalbec doesn't solve your RHH OF problem because even if it works out you then have a barely-in-the-majors lefty first baseman starting vs LHP.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Mar 24, 2022 15:43:40 GMT -5
I kind of want to see Bobby Dalbec out there in RF. Honestly what do we have to lose? Other than Bobby Dalbec. Other than games not much. Well if they’re just spring training games then I suppose that’s not much.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Mar 24, 2022 15:46:03 GMT -5
Dalbec doesn't solve your RHH OF problem because even if it works out you then have a barely-in-the-majors lefty first baseman starting vs LHP. Yeah, this seemed like better crazy ideal when we were thinking the Sox were seriously in on Freeman.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Mar 24, 2022 15:46:40 GMT -5
I am amazed that the Sox are this far into the offseason without having gotten a viable and necessary RH hitting corner bat, one capable of handling Fenway's RF.
I don't think JBJ will hit .160 again but I can see him around. 200 - .220, a huge offensive dropoff from 2021 version Renfroe, one that his defensive superiority won't be enough to compensate for.
So I figure they'll waste about 200 ABs and hope Duran can come up and get on base enough to take over. Either way they still will need a viable RH hitting corner OF bat. We're not talking a superstar at this point, just somebody who fits the roster, kind of how Gabe Kapler did in 2003-2004.
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 24, 2022 15:49:08 GMT -5
Other than games not much. Well if they’re just spring training games then I suppose that’s not much. Haha sorry I thought you'd meant the regular season.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Mar 24, 2022 15:52:52 GMT -5
Well if they’re just spring training games then I suppose that’s not much. Haha sorry I thought you'd meant the regular season. I mean…..if he looked good out there I wouldn’t hate it. But I share your sentiment that it’s doesn’t seem like a safe bet. I suppose I could have just posted I really think the Sox need another outfielder lol.
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 24, 2022 17:36:49 GMT -5
Haha sorry I thought you'd meant the regular season. I mean…..if he looked good out there I wouldn’t hate it. But I share your sentiment that it’s doesn’t seem like a safe bet. I suppose I could have just posted I really think the Sox need another outfielder lol. No, I'm with you I don't think it's a bad idea to see how Dalbec looks in the OF. Only problem is even if he looks good who plays first? I guess shaw but it'd be putting a bandaid over one problem and just opening up another one. I'd like another of but I'm not sure I see any worthy of a roster spot in free agency.
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Post by soxaddict on Mar 24, 2022 19:04:29 GMT -5
Recently DFAâd 1B/OF Matt Beaty would be a really nice fit, IMO. Huge upgrade over Shaw and can play the outfield. Not as a 3rd OF. He's LH and barely has played any OF. The only upgrade this team could use is a RH CF who they can slide into RF, which needs a CF playing there. If you get a LH OF, then JBJ wouldn't even be able to platoon with anyone other than Kiké Hernandez. In this scenario, he’d be the LH 1B option but could play some OF if needed.
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 24, 2022 19:12:57 GMT -5
Not as a 3rd OF. He's LH and barely has played any OF. The only upgrade this team could use is a RH CF who they can slide into RF, which needs a CF playing there. If you get a LH OF, then JBJ wouldn't even be able to platoon with anyone other than Kiké Hernandez. In this scenario, he’d be the LH 1B option but could play some OF if needed. More options the better but is he any better than shaw?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2022 19:31:19 GMT -5
How funny would it be if Renfroe regressed and JBJ bounced back just enough to hold more value than Renfroe? It's certainly a plausible scenario. “So you’re saying there’s a chance”.... It’s possible that JBJ was the worst player in all of MLB last year. It would be hard to find someone who accomplished less with more opportunity. Renfroe, meanwhile, was really breaking out and looking very comfortable in Fenway. He even makes a lot less money than JBJ. I am not sure I will ever understand this move, but they need an upgrade from JBJ. He should be viewed as defensive replacement mostly. He’s not a starter. I really think Bloom expected to sign Suzuki, and was counting his chickens before they hatched… or maybe he just did not Renfroe’s defense….just guesses…. Masslive has Cora saying JD will be playing a lot of RF, and that Arroyo will be getting a lot of reps. I absolutely do not see Dalbec in Fenway’s RF. Unless there is a roster squeeze that makes a team NEED to trade a RHH RF then the Red Sox will be starting the season with JD as the starting RF against LP pitching and JBJ against RP.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Mar 24, 2022 19:49:48 GMT -5
“So you’re saying there’s a chance”.... It’s possible that JBJ was the worst player in all of MLB last year. It would be hard to find someone who accomplished less with more opportunity. Renfroe, meanwhile, was really breaking out and looking very comfortable in Fenway. He even makes a lot less money than JBJ. I am not sure I will ever understand this move, but they need an upgrade from JBJ. He should be viewed as defensive replacement mostly. He’s not a starter. I really think Bloom expected to sign Suzuki, and was counting his chickens before they hatched… or maybe he just did not Renfroe’s defense….just guesses…. Masslive has Cora saying JD will be playing a lot of RF, and that Arroyo will be getting a lot of reps. I absolutely do not see Dalbec in Fenway’s RF. Unless there is a roster squeeze that makes a team NEED to trade a RHH RF then the Red Sox will be starting the season with JD as the starting RF against LP pitching and JBJ against RP. Dalbec makes far more sense in LF with Verdugo or Bradley in RF. Let's keep in mind that he's a 3rd baseman by trade and traditionally 3rd basemen have had a much easier time transitioning to LF than RF because the ball comes off the bat at a similar angle. Also, RF at Fenway is unkind to inexperienced players. I wouldn't mind seeing Duran get a few reps at 1B either - incase there are any delays from Casas he might be a better option than Shaw who seems like a replacement-level player and would need a 40-man spot if he makes the team. He's experienced in the IF and at 6'2" he should have enough reach. Who knows, maybe he could be Erstad-light.
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Post by wcsoxfan on Mar 24, 2022 19:52:06 GMT -5
Okay, so then one of the infielders goes to DH and Arroyo starts. And then if anyone in the lineup pulls a hamstring, we're back to JBJ starting vs lefties. Gotta do better than this. Are there baseball drills to practice for running over 2nd base?
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Post by soxaddict on Mar 24, 2022 19:53:07 GMT -5
In this scenario, he’d be the LH 1B option but could play some OF if needed. More options the better but is he any better than shaw? Typical bat first, platoon type player. He’ll be 29, pre-arb, free agent 2026. 2021 Games Played: LF: 28 1B: 21 RF: 20 3B: 5 DH: 2. Season Team Level G PA HR AVG OBP SLG wOBA wRC+ WAR 2021 LAD MLB 120 234 7 .270 .363 .402 .339 114 0.8
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 24, 2022 20:01:37 GMT -5
More options the better but is he any better than shaw? Typical bat first, platoon type player. He’ll be 29, pre-arb, free agent 2026. 2021 Games Played: LF: 28 1B: 21 RF: 20 3B: 5 DH: 2. Season Team Level G PA HR AVG OBP SLG wOBA wRC+ WAR 2021 LAD MLB 120 234 7 .270 .363 .402 .339 114 0.8 Okay, ya. Beatty could be a good claim for the Sox. Those numbers kind of seem like someone a another team may get before the sox claim number tho.
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Post by alexcorahomevideo on Mar 24, 2022 20:13:03 GMT -5
JD in Right...yikes. JBJ starting was expected. Bloom isn't letting that money rot on the bench. Hope he can hit .210
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Post by jbsox on Mar 24, 2022 20:28:25 GMT -5
JD in Right...yikes. JBJ starting was expected. Bloom isn't letting that money rot on the bench. Hope he can hit .210 My guess for home games Verdugo would shift to RF, and JD to LF where he has actually been decent.
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Post by soxaddict on Mar 24, 2022 20:41:42 GMT -5
I really think Bloom expected to sign Suzuki, and was counting his chickens before they hatched… or maybe he just did not Renfroe’s defense….just guesses…. Masslive has Cora saying JD will be playing a lot of RF, and that Arroyo will be getting a lot of reps. I absolutely do not see Dalbec in Fenway’s RF. Unless there is a roster squeeze that makes a team NEED to trade a RHH RF then the Red Sox will be starting the season with JD as the starting RF against LP pitching and JBJ against RP. Dalbec makes far more sense in LF with Verdugo or Bradley in RF. Let's keep in mind that he's a 3rd baseman by trade and traditionally 3rd basemen have had a much easier time transitioning to LF than RF because the ball comes off the bat at a similar angle. Also, RF at Fenway is unkind to inexperienced players. I wouldn't mind seeing Duran get a few reps at 1B either - incase there are any delays from Casas he might be a better option than Shaw who seems like a replacement-level player and would need a 40-man spot if he makes the team. He's experienced in the IF and at 6'2" he should have enough reach. Who knows, maybe he could be Erstad-light. I like the idea of Duran getting some reps at 1B. Would be an easy transition for him, IMO. Shaw has zero versatility. They need a LH 1B capable of playing OF. They’d still need another RH bat to play a corner OF spot. At this point, it’ll have to be Dalbec, Arroyo or a trade. There’s nothing left on the free agent market. ***Edit*** I completely forgot about JD. He could handle LF and that would allow Bobby to DH.
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Post by worldbfree on Mar 24, 2022 20:43:15 GMT -5
JD in Right...yikes. JBJ starting was expected. Bloom isn't letting that money rot on the bench. Hope he can hit .210 Mind blowing that Bloom would think that Jackie Bradley is a viable option in right field. I don't understand how he thinks he improved the team adding one of the worst hitters in baseball as a starter..
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