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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 3, 2022 10:14:26 GMT -5
An writer today posits Arroyo as being the 3rd outfielder. He has played five spring games in RF and started three of those. He's the right-handed bat and a "great athlete", according to outfield coach Venable. He could very well put Refsnyder on the bubble and lead to another infield utility guy for the final roster. “He’s taken to it really well,” Red Sox bench coach and outfield instructor Will Venable said here Saturday. “His attitude about it has been great. When we first mentioned it to him, he jumped at the opportunity and he has come to me every day wanting to do early work. He’s really responded to his training. He looks great. He’s a great athlete. We talk about doing the same things that he does to get ready for the pitch in the outfield as he does in the infield. ... He’s an athlete and he’s going to figure it out. “I think he looks great,” Venable added. “The way he’s moving, it’s been nice to see.” Arroyo succeeding in the outfield would solve a big area of need for the Red Sox. Boston needs a right-handed hitting outfielder to platoon with left-handed hitting Jackie Bradley Jr. Arroyo had a .356 on-base percentage, .529 slugging percentage and .885 OPS in 74 plate appearances against lefties last season. That would make Arroyo a 4th OF, not a 3rd OF. JBJ would be the 3rd OF.
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Post by nomar on Apr 3, 2022 10:38:11 GMT -5
Arroyo being an average defensive RF would be huge. He was a xwOBA overperformer last year, but still should be a much better hitter than JBJ.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Apr 3, 2022 12:41:55 GMT -5
Arroyo being an average defensive RF would be huge. He was a xwOBA overperformer last year, but still should be a much better hitter than JBJ. He had good splits vs. LHP last season, so if that continues he'll make a good platoon option in the OF.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Apr 3, 2022 13:20:03 GMT -5
JBJ with another HR today, this time off a big league starter (Huascar Ynoa).
Jackie's gonna make a lot of us look foolish if he takes the starting job by the throat and doesn't let go.
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Post by manfred on Apr 3, 2022 13:51:09 GMT -5
JBJ with another HR today, this time off a big league starter (Huascar Ynoa). Jackie's gonna make a lot of us look foolish if he takes the starting job by the throat and doesn't let go. That’s the kinda foolishness I can go for.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 3, 2022 15:51:24 GMT -5
JBJ with another HR today, this time off a big league starter (Huascar Ynoa). Jackie's gonna make a lot of us look foolish if he takes the starting job by the throat and doesn't let go. He has done it before.
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Post by bosoxkc on Apr 3, 2022 17:03:56 GMT -5
Maybe I’m crazy. Myers/Campusano/Gore —> Jimenez/Seabold/Darwinzon/Paulino/AA guy + pick up all Myers $$ Solves LF/1B (2023 DH), Catcher, Starter
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Apr 3, 2022 17:32:03 GMT -5
Maybe I’m crazy. Myers/Campusano/Gore —> Jimenez/Seabold/Darwinzon/Paulino/AA guy + pick up all Myers $$ Solves LF/1B (2023 DH), Catcher, Starter You'll be glad to know that there's an entire sub-forum for trade proposals here!
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 4, 2022 0:04:57 GMT -5
An writer today posits Arroyo as being the 3rd outfielder. He has played five spring games in RF and started three of those. He's the right-handed bat and a "great athlete", according to outfield coach Venable. He could very well put Refsnyder on the bubble and lead to another infield utility guy for the final roster. “He’s taken to it really well,” Red Sox bench coach and outfield instructor Will Venable said here Saturday. “His attitude about it has been great. When we first mentioned it to him, he jumped at the opportunity and he has come to me every day wanting to do early work. He’s really responded to his training. He looks great. He’s a great athlete. We talk about doing the same things that he does to get ready for the pitch in the outfield as he does in the infield. ... He’s an athlete and he’s going to figure it out. “I think he looks great,” Venable added. “The way he’s moving, it’s been nice to see.” Arroyo succeeding in the outfield would solve a big area of need for the Red Sox. Boston needs a right-handed hitting outfielder to platoon with left-handed hitting Jackie Bradley Jr. Arroyo had a .356 on-base percentage, .529 slugging percentage and .885 OPS in 74 plate appearances against lefties last season. This is really quite interesting and encouraging. He may well be a better option against LHP than anyone we could credibly pick up. More on this in the "last 5 roster spots" thread.
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Post by soxfaninnj on Apr 5, 2022 16:41:59 GMT -5
Jake marisnick anyone? Good glove that can play all 3 OF spots decent ops vs lefties (.743)
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 6, 2022 4:29:00 GMT -5
Jake marisnick anyone? Good glove that can play all 3 OF spots decent ops vs lefties (.743) Just released by the Rangers, or maybe had an opt-out and used it after told he wouldn't make the team.
Marisnick had a 96 wRC+ vs. LHP last year, 100 his last 3, 93 for his career.
Arroyo is 136, 102, 88. He turns 27 at the end of May while Marisnick just turned 31.
Marisnick is still a terrific defender in CF; he hasn't played much RF recently and has below-average numbers for arm.
Right now I like Arroyo somewhat better as the platoon partner in RF, and an upgrade of Arauz would make more sense for several reasons. But it's not a bad idea.
Edit: I think it's likely that there isn't a backup SS type that you could get for free and who would be of more value than Marisnick, and adding Marisnick also allows Arauz to play every day in AAA instead of very rarely in MLB. Marisnick's roles would be RF vs. LHP when Arroyo is needed in the INF, occasional starts in the OF instead of Arroyo when the matchups say he's better, occasional starts in LF for Verdugo against LHP who are brutal on LHB, and pinch-runner, plus insurance against Arroyo not being up to handling RF (especially in Fenway) after all.
I've always liked him, BTW. He'd just fill Duran's roster spot until he's ready.
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Post by voiceofreason on Apr 6, 2022 6:43:07 GMT -5
Just a reminder that we all were clamoring for Duran a year ago so lets not dismiss him a year later. He could still be what we were hoping for.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 6, 2022 10:04:48 GMT -5
Do we really need a backup SS since Story is on the team? When Xander needs a day off, Story goes to SS and Arroyo goes to 2B.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 6, 2022 10:58:08 GMT -5
Yeah, and similarly, I'm not sure the team needs a backup CF with JBJ on the roster. Don't love that Arroyo or Verdugo is in RF at Fenway against lefties, but ideally Arroyo makes up for that by raking.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Apr 6, 2022 11:31:24 GMT -5
Do we really need a backup SS since Story is on the team? When Xander needs a day off, Story goes to SS and Arroyo goes to 2B. This was my argument to keep Yolmer Sanchez over Arauz. It's pretty clear that Arauz made the team because he's already on the 40-man -- it certainly wasn't because he performed well in his third spring training with the team. Also, Yolmer clearly agreed to not exercise his opt-out, so he's a GG 2B standing by in Worcester (although with competition from Fitzy for being next IF up). I really hope that Arauz takes that next step that we've been waiting two seasons for but if he doesn't, the depth is there. Can't help but wonder how long the leash will be.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 6, 2022 11:36:07 GMT -5
Yeah, and similarly, I'm not sure the team needs a backup CF with JBJ on the roster. Don't love that Arroyo or Verdugo is in RF at Fenway against lefties, but ideally Arroyo makes up for that by raking. If JBJ hits like he did last season, then literally any major league hitter would be an upgrade. But...
I'm just not sold that Arroyo has that much "raking" in him. He has a career xwOBA under .300, with no upward trend at all. His career wRC+ is 88. If JBJ can manage a wRC+ of like 65 against lefties (he's at 81 for his career) I'd much rather have that plus his defense in Fenway's RF than Arroyo's only slightly better hitting while playing a difficult position for the first time.
Basically, I'd just use Arroyo in RF on the road against lefties, and to give JBJ a break when he's in one of his cold stretches.
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Post by ericmvan on Apr 6, 2022 13:09:02 GMT -5
Yeah, and similarly, I'm not sure the team needs a backup CF with JBJ on the roster. Don't love that Arroyo or Verdugo is in RF at Fenway against lefties, but ideally Arroyo makes up for that by raking. If JBJ hits like he did last season, then literally any major league hitter would be an upgrade. But... I'm just not sold that Arroyo has that much "raking" in him. He has a career xwOBA under .300, with no upward trend at all. His career wRC+ is 88. If JBJ can manage a wRC+ of like 65 against lefties (he's at 81 for his career) I'd much rather have that plus his defense in Fenway's RF than Arroyo's only slightly better hitting while playing a difficult position for the first time. Basically, I'd just use Arroyo in RF on the road against lefties, and to give JBJ a break when he's in one of his cold stretches.
Granted, these are small sample sizes, but here's his xWOBA versus LHP: .290 (52 PA) .294 (30) .281 (28) .213 (19) .335 (74) Batted ball profiles. League in 2021 (all RHB vs. all LHP) Arroyo before 2021 Arroyo 2021 Pct. of batted balls, then xwOBA
Pull 38.4%, .432
33.3%, .409 28.3%, .563 Straightaway 36.9%, .399
43.7%, .352 43.4%, .427
Oppo 24.7%, .293 23.0%, .323 28.3%, .274
He was completely neutral in batted ball direction, versus the league 55.5% more Pull than Oppo, and that makes him harder to defend against. So some of his wOBA - xwOBA will be for real.
He reduced his K rate from .279 to.233, closer to league average of .220. He still doesn't walk much (including HBP), .047 to .041 versus league .093.
Note that he struggled in 2020 and then was much better in 2021, a similar pattern to Kiké last year as they were revamping his swing and/or approach. And they platooned him in 2021 despite a big reverse split previously, so this appears to be a hoped-for result.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 6, 2022 14:11:16 GMT -5
I will say that teams with the most advanced scouting and analytics departments will have a huge advantage over identifying the players who stand to have the biggest jumps in performance due to the coming shift ban (which I hate).
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Post by greenmonster on Apr 6, 2022 14:19:15 GMT -5
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Apr 6, 2022 20:27:07 GMT -5
Here's a guy who has been brought up before in this thread and it turns out he is out of options, according to MLBTR.
Homegrown guy in the MIL system who has played in parts of the last three MLB seasons, decent numbers vs. LHP (122 wRC+ in 2021; 115 overall), above average fielder in RF and LF.
Where his lack of options comes into play is that he is one of 4 RHH OF in MIL, with Yelich the only LHH. Presumably Renfroe and Lorenzo Cain will start most days with Yelich and they just signed Andrew McCutchen, whose one remaining redeeming quality is mashing LHP (he will prolly DH most of the time).
So will MIL keep 5 OF, with 4 of them RHH? Seems like Taylor could be the odd man out, particularly when rosters drop back to 26. He makes more sense to me than Jonathan Arauz on the face of it.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Apr 6, 2022 21:16:43 GMT -5
Another interesting RHH OF who is out of options is CF Michael Hermosillo of the Cubs.
He's been an up-and-down guy for a few years (also with LAA) but has mashed LHP in AAA. 65 speed and good defense. Do they keep him to platoon with Heyward?
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Post by wildsox on Apr 6, 2022 21:53:41 GMT -5
Franchy’s coming!
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 7, 2022 9:07:00 GMT -5
Here's a guy who has been brought up before in this thread and it turns out he is out of options, according to MLBTR. Homegrown guy in the MIL system who has played in parts of the last three MLB seasons, decent numbers vs. LHP (122 wRC+ in 2021; 115 overall), above average fielder in RF and LF. Where his lack of options comes into play is that he is one of 4 RHH OF in MIL, with Yelich the only LHH. Presumably Renfroe and Lorenzo Cain will start most days with Yelich and they just signed Andrew McCutchen, whose one remaining redeeming quality is mashing LHP (he will prolly DH most of the time). So will MIL keep 5 OF, with 4 of them RHH? Seems like Taylor could be the odd man out, particularly when rosters drop back to 26. He makes more sense to me than Jonathan Arauz on the face of it.
Was looking at him yesterday but Roster Resource on FG had him making the team. That is a very good point you make, however, about the May 1 drop back to 26. One wonders if the Sox are going to wait out the first month and upgrade the back end of the roster then.
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Post by johnsilver52 on Apr 7, 2022 9:25:46 GMT -5
Do we really need a backup SS since Story is on the team? When Xander needs a day off, Story goes to SS and Arroyo goes to 2B. This was my argument to keep Yolmer Sanchez over Arauz. It's pretty clear that Arauz made the team because he's already on the 40-man -- it certainly wasn't because he performed well in his third spring training with the team. Also, Yolmer clearly agreed to not exercise his opt-out, so he's a GG 2B standing by in Worcester (although with competition from Fitzy for being next IF up). I really hope that Arauz takes that next step that we've been waiting two seasons for but if he doesn't, the depth is there. Can't help but wonder how long the leash will be.
My sentiments as well. Understand Remy loved the guy, but my 2c is Sanchez and fitzgerald both would have been equals, or better. Roster spot and for some reason.. Fear of losing the guy must have played a part, but why for an AAAA type utility guy, who they currently have better people available who could help the parent team win always baffles me when choices like this are made.
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Post by taiwansox on Apr 7, 2022 10:30:08 GMT -5
This was my argument to keep Yolmer Sanchez over Arauz. It's pretty clear that Arauz made the team because he's already on the 40-man -- it certainly wasn't because he performed well in his third spring training with the team. Also, Yolmer clearly agreed to not exercise his opt-out, so he's a GG 2B standing by in Worcester (although with competition from Fitzy for being next IF up). I really hope that Arauz takes that next step that we've been waiting two seasons for but if he doesn't, the depth is there. Can't help but wonder how long the leash will be.
My sentiments as well. Understand Remy loved the guy, but my 2c is Sanchez and fitzgerald both would have been equals, or better. Roster spot and for some reason.. Fear of losing the guy must have played a part, but why for an AAAA type utility guy, who they currently have better people available who could help the parent team win always baffles me when choices like this are made. I’m super torn on this. Sanchez is out of options so it’s almost definitely a roster flexibility issue. With Fitzgerald, I’m not sure about his defense, his arm is pretty strong, but his glovework hasn’t been impressive, so he doesn’t fit the defensive sub profile that Arauz fits. Also, call me crazy, but I could see Arauz dropping hitting lefty to focus on hitting exclusively righty (haven’t seen much progress with his LHH swing).
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