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Post by incandenza on Mar 26, 2022 12:07:48 GMT -5
Bradley doesn't actually have a huge L/R split; 81 wRC+ vs. lefties and 89 vs. righties for his career. I don't think it needs to be a strict platoon approach with him. And maybe you'd try to keep him in the lineup more in Fenway to play RF than in some stadiums on the road.
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 26, 2022 13:32:46 GMT -5
Bradley doesn't actually have a huge L/R split; 81 wRC+ vs. lefties and 89 vs. righties for his career. I don't think it needs to be a strict platoon approach with him. And maybe you'd try to keep him in the lineup more in Fenway to play RF than in some stadiums on the road. It's hard for me to look at JBJs career numbers right now when you look at last year when he was literally one of the worst hitters in the league. Obviously I'd say Bloom and company must think that was an aberration though considering they haven't added an OF so we'll see. I'm not too keen on Bradley being seemingly penciled in as an every day guy but hope Bloom is right on this otherwise the 3rd OFer is a giant hole.
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Post by incandenza on Mar 26, 2022 14:29:15 GMT -5
Bradley doesn't actually have a huge L/R split; 81 wRC+ vs. lefties and 89 vs. righties for his career. I don't think it needs to be a strict platoon approach with him. And maybe you'd try to keep him in the lineup more in Fenway to play RF than in some stadiums on the road. It's hard for me to look at JBJs career numbers right now when you look at last year when he was literally one of the worst hitters in the league. Obviously I'd say Bloom and company must think that was an aberration though considering they haven't added an OF so we'll see. I'm not too keen on Bradley being seemingly penciled in as an every day guy but hope Bloom is right on this otherwise the 3rd OFer is a giant hole. Well there is a different question here of how much you want to play JBJ at all. But conditional on him getting a given amount of playing time, I don't think his handedness splits need to be the most important factor to consider. (But maybe you do sit him against lefties, e.g., to get Arroyo more favorable matchups, or something like that.)
For what it's worth, he had a higher wRC+ last season against lefties - 49 vs. 32.
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Post by ematz1423 on Mar 26, 2022 14:32:08 GMT -5
It's hard for me to look at JBJs career numbers right now when you look at last year when he was literally one of the worst hitters in the league. Obviously I'd say Bloom and company must think that was an aberration though considering they haven't added an OF so we'll see. I'm not too keen on Bradley being seemingly penciled in as an every day guy but hope Bloom is right on this otherwise the 3rd OFer is a giant hole. Well there is a different question here of how much you want to play JBJ at all. But conditional on him getting a given amount of playing time, I don't think his handedness splits need to be the most important factor to consider. (But maybe you do sit him against lefties, e.g., to get Arroyo more favorable matchups, or something like that.)
For what it's worth, he had a higher wRC+ last season against lefties - 49 vs. 32.
I personally don't want JBJ playing anything other than a late inning OF defensive sub so that's where I stand on him but looking at the team he almost has to play and probably be an every day guy.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Mar 26, 2022 15:26:51 GMT -5
I really do not like the ideal of JBJ starting, but I’m the absence of a trade, or Duran taking a jump forward I’d be curious to see if he can bounce back.
If JBJ can give you a .730 OPS and GG defense in RF then with story the overall value from 2B/RF will be better this year.
If JBJ is struggling, and the team is in contention, and Duran is struggling….I suspect a mid season move.
I think JBJ might have it in him, but it’s just really hard to have much stock in him after how horrible he was last year. He could easily perform better and still be very very bad.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Mar 26, 2022 15:33:13 GMT -5
Another random thought of the day. I’ve been thinking about how thin the outfield depth is right now. Yes I know, Duran, Bleis etc etc. I’m not saying there is not talent in the system but guys are either very far away or have question marks.
This reminds me of back in 2014/2015 when we had no outfield and we HAD TO DRAFT OUTFIELDERS!!!! Little did we know our star studded outfield was already here. JBJ/BETTS/HOLT…the Benitendi drafted that year.
Gee….maybe we should throw Dalbec out there.
75% kidding.
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Post by notstarboard on Mar 26, 2022 19:41:07 GMT -5
I'm sorry for all of you stressing about JBJ. If we acquire someone we acquire someone, but I'm not worried about him out there if not. I think he's going to bounce back just fine, and I think the odds of him and Duran swiss cheesing the position to success are good even if JBJ isn't good enough to do it himself. Looking forward to the season!
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Post by nomar on Mar 26, 2022 20:41:37 GMT -5
I'm sorry for all of you stressing about JBJ. If we acquire someone we acquire someone, but I'm not worried about him out there if not. I think he's going to bounce back just fine, and I think the odds of him and Duran swiss cheesing the position to success are good even if JBJ isn't good enough to do it himself. Looking forward to the season! If they choose to roll him out there as RF, so be it, but if he “bounces back” it would be to the extent of being an average player. The upside people are trying to find is the downside for 20 other teams at that position. Given the other strong parts of the roster, that could be totally fine, but let’s not pretend we aren’t sugar coating a dud here.
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Post by notstarboard on Mar 26, 2022 21:29:44 GMT -5
I'm sorry for all of you stressing about JBJ. If we acquire someone we acquire someone, but I'm not worried about him out there if not. I think he's going to bounce back just fine, and I think the odds of him and Duran swiss cheesing the position to success are good even if JBJ isn't good enough to do it himself. Looking forward to the season! If they choose to roll him out there as RF, so be it, but if he “bounces back” it would be to the extent of being an average player. The upside people are trying to find is the downside for 20 other teams at that position. Given the other strong parts of the roster, that could be totally fine, but let’s not pretend we aren’t sugar coating a dud here. An average player is all I'm expecting, and it's also all we need. After all, the trade to acquire him was to send Renfroe, a roughly average player, away. If JBJ can be average, those prospects would have been pretty much free. Or, rather, better than free, because Renfroe's CBT hit next year is going to be way higher than JBJ's.
Maybe I'm too willing to throw out his 2021 because I didn't have to watch it every day. Still, for a guy this streaky who showed he could be at least an average contributor from 2015-2020, who is also theoretically healthy now, it seems reasonable to expect a bounce back. I don't feel like I'm sugar coating a dud; I legitimately expect him to resemble his old self.
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Post by iii on Mar 26, 2022 21:34:39 GMT -5
I think we can assume that the roster building is over for now. Players may be added to improve the depth of the 40 man roster but is is unlikely any major move will be made to the 26 (28) MLB roster until 40 or so games into the season.
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Post by cdj on Mar 27, 2022 15:25:06 GMT -5
Christian Arroyo playing some RF today
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Post by grandsalami on Mar 27, 2022 16:10:17 GMT -5
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Post by ericmvan on Mar 28, 2022 2:49:39 GMT -5
Bradley doesn't actually have a huge L/R split; 81 wRC+ vs. lefties and 89 vs. righties for his career. I don't think it needs to be a strict platoon approach with him. And maybe you'd try to keep him in the lineup more in Fenway to play RF than in some stadiums on the road. Last time I broke it down he had no split at all when on a hot streak and at home, and a big split when slumping and on the road, and a split like the one you cite when hot on the road or cold at home. If seems likely that there will be points in the season where you'd really want to platoon him.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 28, 2022 12:58:29 GMT -5
I think the main thing with JBJ is that it's far better to have a RH OF to give JBJ and Verdugo some rest than to have another LH OF. And we better never see JDM in RF in Fenway.
Who would be worse in Fenway's RF? JDM or AGon when he played there in 2012?
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Post by wcsoxfan on Mar 28, 2022 13:51:20 GMT -5
I think the main thing with JBJ is that it's far better to have a RH OF to give JBJ and Verdugo some rest than to have another LH OF. And we better never see JDM in RF in Fenway. Who would be worse in Fenway's RF? JDM or AGon when he played there in 2012? JD Martinez is close to guys like Kris Bryant and Kyle Schwarber defensively, so although it would be bad to put him out there in the spacious RF, it's nothing like having a 1st baseman with little experience and speed. Adrian Gonzalez was -60.2 in UZR/150 and -2 DRS over 148 innings (small sample size - but let's be glad we didn't see too much more) - comparatively, JD Martinez has been around -10 UZR/150 and -5 DRS over the past 3 years and 682 innings (-2% to -4% catch probability if you prefer OAA). That's bad, but not horrifically bad. The main issue with JD in the outfield is that he's going to get hurt again (if you look at his worst 2 defensive seasons, both were due to injury). Also, I believe he played an inning out there back in last April (16th), so don't challenge Cora, he'll do it.
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Post by jimed14 on Mar 29, 2022 13:47:58 GMT -5
Regarding the 3rd OF, I suppose it's JBJ at least for now, with Refsnyder being the RH 4th OF who can play anywhere in the OF against LHP.
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Post by julyanmorley on Mar 29, 2022 14:27:25 GMT -5
Sounds like 0% chance that Refsnyder sneaks on to the opening day roster.
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Post by tjb21 on Mar 29, 2022 14:31:57 GMT -5
Bloom is being quite transparent here, for him.
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 29, 2022 14:41:11 GMT -5
How bad is the qualifying offer hurting Conforto right now. Can he accept it or has that ship sailed?
edit. no he can't
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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 29, 2022 14:43:00 GMT -5
Sounds like 0% chance that Refsnyder sneaks on to the opening day roster. Funny how Duggy was one of the best players on the Sox in 2020 and now everyone is down on him as if he was really terrible last yr.
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Post by cdj on Mar 29, 2022 15:58:11 GMT -5
Especially after he played well in the playoffs. Verdugo is a good player and I don’t think we’ve seen his ceiling.
Seems like Bloom plans on doing something between now and OD
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Post by carl4sox on Mar 29, 2022 16:03:36 GMT -5
I agree there's more to come between now and OD.
IIRC, at some point midway through the 2020 season, Duggie was leading the majors in outfield assists -- when he was the RF.
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Post by jdb on Mar 29, 2022 16:23:29 GMT -5
I’d prefer Verdugo in RF. I just think LF in Fenway should hit more than him and he’s been pretty solid in RF.
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Post by vmoss on Mar 29, 2022 21:21:02 GMT -5
How bad is the qualifying offer hurting Conforto right now. Can he accept it or has that ship sailed? edit. no he can't Starting when can he be signed with no compensation? Thanks.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Mar 29, 2022 21:40:17 GMT -5
How bad is the qualifying offer hurting Conforto right now. Can he accept it or has that ship sailed? edit. no he can't Starting when can he be signed with no compensation? Thanks. After the draft. So, after July 19.
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