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Post by voiceofreason on Mar 23, 2022 6:28:14 GMT -5
Pretty sure you are correct yes. Only if they agree to an International Draft by some already agreed upon date in July. If not, then the current system stays in place. You are correct, yes LOL. I thought there was something still in the way there just couldn't put my finger on it at 3 in the morning, thanks.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 4, 2022 10:42:25 GMT -5
I would give Bloom a C-minus/D-plus. My reasoning:
Positives:
- Story saved him from getting an F. Good hedge against Xander opt-out.*
- Did not trade Dalbec and Duran. I still think both will be at least MLB average players or better. Dalbec has a history of adjusting at the plate and I think that will show this year. His miscast at first base and should be playing third, but LF may be an option down the road (although if they don't extend Devers, Dalbec may be back at third sooner rather than later).
- The Pen is probably a bit better.
Negatives:
- Let ERod go for $15M a year AAV, which I think will be the blunder of the off-season.
- Traded Renfroe for...sorry, I think this was a bad move, too. And I say this loving JBJ.
- * Did not extend/improve Xander's deal. He's gone. Awful.
- Did not lock-up Devers. If he's not extended by the All-Star break (and he says they've yet to approach him at all), he's gone.
- Did not extend Eovaldi. Sale is unreliable and Eovaldi is one of the top 10 pitchers in the AL right now. They have no legit ace after this year and no one to fit that role in the minors for at least the next 3-4 years.
- Not sure what the plan is for a platoon for JBJ. Arroyo I like in theory, but it seems like a slap-dash last week of spring solution. This is sub-optimal.
Bottom Line: The team overachieved last year and good for them (and us!), but I don't think Bloom improved it significantly this off-season. In fact, I think it's worse. Meanwhile, Toronto got better and I think Tampa did by virtue of their top prospects gaining a year. Franco will be even better and Lowe and Brujan are MLB ready. And Baz (if he gets past his injury) looks to be a legit #2. Bloom looks to have mostly coasted, playing the odds for a WC spot and hoping a bunch of guys will overachieve again. Wishful thinking is not a plan.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 4, 2022 10:57:03 GMT -5
I would give Bloom a C-minus/D-plus. My reasoning: Positives: - Story saved him from getting an F. Good hedge against Xander opt-out.* - Did not trade Dalbec and Duran. I still think both will be at least MLB average players or better. Dalbec has a history of adjusting at the plate and I think that will show this year. His miscast at first base and should be playing third, but LF may be an option down the road (although if they don't extend Devers, Dalbec may be back at third sooner rather than later). - The Pen is probably a bit better. Negatives: - Let ERod go for $15M a year AAV, which I think will be the blunder of the off-season. - Traded Renfroe for...sorry, I think this was a bad move, too. And I say this loving JBJ. - * Did not extend/improve Xander's deal. He's gone. Awful. - Did not lock-up Devers. If he's not extended by the All-Star break (and he says they've yet to approach him at all), he's gone. - Did not extend Eovaldi. Sale is unreliable and Eovaldi is one of the top 10 pitchers in the AL right now. They have no legit ace after this year and no one to fit that role in the minors for at least the next 3-4 years. - Not sure what the plan is for a platoon for JBJ. Arroyo I like in theory, but it seems like a slap-dash last week of spring solution. This is sub-optimal. Bottom Line: The team overachieved last year and good for them (and us!), but I don't think Bloom improved it significantly this off-season. In fact, I think it's worse. Meanwhile, Toronto got better and I think Tampa did by virtue of their top prospects gaining a year. Franco will be even better and Lowe and Brujan are MLB ready. And Baz (if he gets past his injury) looks to be a legit #2. Bloom looks to have mostly coasted, playing the odds for a WC spot and hoping a bunch of guys will overachieve again. Wishful thinking is not a plan. That's exactly how I see it, although I hope they somehow extend Devers (and Bogaerts, although I doubt it). My guess is he waits to extend Eovaldi. Hope we're not hating the Story signing too much in the years 2026 - 2028. I agree that they were an 88 win team that won 92 last year and that their talent level is probably less than 88 wins and they'll need to overperform their pythag record by even more to make the playoffs this year. It seems that a lot of the lesser teams have improved themselves, which makes it harder to beat them as often, even with their remaining flaws. I did not like seeing them let E-Rod leave so easily and I'm not a fan of the Wacha signing - I think that'll be a huge waste of money. $7 million for a guy who will have an ERA above 5. My gut feeling is that Matt Strahm will be his most clever signing. I think Diekman will be very hard to watch and ineffective. Story should be decent/good this year and the next couple. Refroe isn't irreplaceable but JBJ and Arroyo is not the answer. I hope Duran comes up and is a lot different than what we saw last year. He has it in him to be a solid and interesting player. But if he can't, they'll need to acquire an OF by July if they're in the thick of the post-season race. And the thing is that Story does a good job of replacing Renfroe's offense and he's doing that as a 2b, but that big advantage is negated with the uncertainty in RF. With a solid offensive RF, it would boost that Red Sox lineup but without it they're kind of treading water, where as last year 2b was a question while RF was solid, then in this case 2b is solid, while RF is a huge question. I don't think the pen was that improved and I think it will be an achilles heel this offseason. For the most part I think a lot of other teams improved more than the Sox did this offseason, but then again I thought that was the case last August and it worked out.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 4, 2022 11:05:35 GMT -5
As far as Story goes, he'll be traded as soon as Yorke and Mayer are forcing their way into the lineup. That's why there is no no-trade clause in his contract.
I don't care about losing Renfroe. I would have preferred Suzuki to go with JBJ, but he had to want to be here. I don't think they'll miss whatever Renfroe was able to give them this season regardless.
I don't really like grading off-seasons like this. It's a never ending job to build a roster, not one with a defined beginning and end date.
I like where they're at now and they are very well positioned for the future.
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Post by nomar on Apr 4, 2022 11:10:02 GMT -5
This offseason was a lot like last year where there was a bunch of small moves made and a lot of pessimism. But if any of Hill, Paxton, Wacha, Strahm, Dalbec, or Duran end up exceeding expectations, Bloom will look smart.
My biggest L of the offseason is not extending Devers. I’m glad we found some actual production at 2B with Story, but him leaving Coors and having a suspect shoulder are risks too.
Bloom seems to prefer throwing a lot of cheap stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks, at least while we restock the farm. I’m cool with this strategy, especially with 3 powerhouse rosters in the division which lowers your odds of success right off of the bat.
I don’t think it was an ambitious offseason by any stretch of the imagination, but it’s one that you can guarantee won’t cripple the team long term. So I’ll go B-
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Post by bosoxkc on Apr 4, 2022 11:23:13 GMT -5
Takes two to extend. If Sox offered 10/300, Boras most likely would have told Raffy to wait.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 4, 2022 11:28:51 GMT -5
Takes two to extend. If Sox offered 10/300, Boras most likely would have told Raffy to wait. It would be odd for Boras to advise a player who is not his client, no?
In regards to comments above that Devers says the Red Sox haven't approached him - when did he say that? Bloom has said (and history shows) that extensions tend to get done around opening day, so I wouldn't assume the ship has sailed here.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 4, 2022 11:55:31 GMT -5
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Post by jbsox on Apr 4, 2022 12:00:11 GMT -5
I see lots of mention of Story the one replacing Renroe’s offense, but we also lost Schwarber as well who was very important for our stretch run last season splitting time in the OF and 1B.
I look at it more as this for a comparison:
Last year for our stretch run 2B Arroyo/Iglesias (also important in our stretch run) RF Renfroe OF/1B Schwarber Part time 1B Dalbec
Starting off this season 2B Story RF JBJ IF/OF Arroyo 1B Dalbec
That honestly has me a little more worried writing it out like this, but I believe JBJ will bounce back in a nice way. The dark horse for me if Casas really pushes to come up to the Sox at any point in the season, and Dalbec plays some OF which would be interesting with his underrated speed and cannon for an arm.
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 4, 2022 12:05:34 GMT -5
I see lots of mention of Story the one replacing Renroe’s offense, but we also lost Schwarber as well who was very important for our stretch run last season splitting time in the OF and 1B. I look at it more as this for a comparison: Last year for our stretch run 2B Arroyo/Iglesias (also important in our stretch run) RF Renfroe OF/1B Schwarber Part time 1B Dalbec Starting off this season 2B Story RF JBJ IF/OF Arroyo 1B Dalbec That honestly has me a little more worried writing it out like this, but I believe JBJ will bounce back in a nice way. The dark horse for me if Casas really pushes to come up to the Sox at any point in the season, and Dalbec plays some OF which would be interesting with his underrated speed and cannon for an arm. True, they replaced Renfroe's bat but not Schwarber's. Like you mentioned, I can see Casas as being that LH power midseason acquisition.
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Post by birdman on Apr 4, 2022 12:15:43 GMT -5
For me it's a C. This team reached the ALCS last year and honestly blew a chance to head to the World Series. They got held back by no pitching depth and reliance on a shaky bullpen. The bullpen is still shaky, so I think another playoff run is a fair expectation with our stacked lineup, but we didn't do anything to make ourselves the preseason favorites. It's a C because I feel like we took a horizontal step and are going to be relying on current player development. Not a bad strategy in my opinion so I'm pretty content with it.
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Post by thegoodthebadthesox on Apr 4, 2022 13:23:03 GMT -5
I would give Bloom a C-minus/D-plus. My reasoning: Positives: - Story saved him from getting an F. Good hedge against Xander opt-out.* - Did not trade Dalbec and Duran. I still think both will be at least MLB average players or better. Dalbec has a history of adjusting at the plate and I think that will show this year. His miscast at first base and should be playing third, but LF may be an option down the road (although if they don't extend Devers, Dalbec may be back at third sooner rather than later). - The Pen is probably a bit better. Negatives: - Let ERod go for $15M a year AAV, which I think will be the blunder of the off-season. - Traded Renfroe for...sorry, I think this was a bad move, too. And I say this loving JBJ. - * Did not extend/improve Xander's deal. He's gone. Awful. - Did not lock-up Devers. If he's not extended by the All-Star break (and he says they've yet to approach him at all), he's gone. - Did not extend Eovaldi. Sale is unreliable and Eovaldi is one of the top 10 pitchers in the AL right now. They have no legit ace after this year and no one to fit that role in the minors for at least the next 3-4 years. - Not sure what the plan is for a platoon for JBJ. Arroyo I like in theory, but it seems like a slap-dash last week of spring solution. This is sub-optimal. Bottom Line: The team overachieved last year and good for them (and us!), but I don't think Bloom improved it significantly this off-season. In fact, I think it's worse. Meanwhile, Toronto got better and I think Tampa did by virtue of their top prospects gaining a year. Franco will be even better and Lowe and Brujan are MLB ready. And Baz (if he gets past his injury) looks to be a legit #2. Bloom looks to have mostly coasted, playing the odds for a WC spot and hoping a bunch of guys will overachieve again. Wishful thinking is not a plan. You're allowed to have whatever opinion you want, but you're basing a lot of this off of a) conjecture and b) bad conjecture, to boot.
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Post by manfred on Apr 4, 2022 13:37:57 GMT -5
I gave a C when this poll opened, and I’d likely go slightly higher — C+?
Story is a great upgrade at 2b. Huge difference over last year on both sides. But losing Renfroe and Schwarber makes a not-so-good outfield worse. And losing Erod is not offset by Hill and Wacha. We’ll see what Paxton adds.
I guess my feeling is: a team that falls short AND sees rivals improve can’t get a good grade by standing still or rearranging deck chairs.
I am curious if any of the A/B voters have dropped their grades now that all is apparently said and done?
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Post by nomar on Apr 4, 2022 13:41:26 GMT -5
I loved Schwarber and will miss him, but there’s no reason we won’t be able to get a good rental bat at the deadline again if need be.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 4, 2022 14:00:03 GMT -5
I gave a C when this poll opened, and I’d likely go slightly higher — C+? Story is a great upgrade at 2b. Huge difference over last year on both sides. But losing Renfroe and Schwarber makes a not-so-good outfield worse. And losing Erod is not offset by Hill and Wacha. We’ll see what Paxton adds. I guess my feeling is: a team that falls short AND sees rivals improve can’t get a good grade by standing still or rearranging deck chairs. I am curious if any of the A/B voters have dropped their grades now that all is apparently said and done? Which rivals improved? The Yankees' only major addition was Donaldson, whose health is a perilous thread. The Blue Jays added Gausman, Kikuchi, and Chapman, but they lost Semien and Ray; seems like a wash at best, considering how much value they got out of the latter two last season. The Rays did a Rays. Houston lost Correa and added...?
I'm not totally sanguine about the offseason so far (mainly because of Eduardo leaving), but I'd still say the Red Sox did as much to improve as any of those other teams.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 4, 2022 14:03:03 GMT -5
Remember when it was a no-brainer that the Yankees were the front runners for every SS free agent?
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Post by manfred on Apr 4, 2022 14:20:41 GMT -5
I gave a C when this poll opened, and I’d likely go slightly higher — C+? Story is a great upgrade at 2b. Huge difference over last year on both sides. But losing Renfroe and Schwarber makes a not-so-good outfield worse. And losing Erod is not offset by Hill and Wacha. We’ll see what Paxton adds. I guess my feeling is: a team that falls short AND sees rivals improve can’t get a good grade by standing still or rearranging deck chairs. I am curious if any of the A/B voters have dropped their grades now that all is apparently said and done? Which rivals improved? The Yankees' only major addition was Donaldson, whose health is a perilous thread. The Blue Jays added Gausman, Kikuchi, and Chapman, but they lost Semien and Ray; seems like a wash at best, considering how much value they got out of the latter two last season. The Rays did a Rays. Houston lost Correa and added...?
I'm not totally sanguine about the offseason so far (mainly because of Eduardo leaving), but I'd still say the Red Sox did as much to improve as any of those other teams.
Berrios, Gausman, and Kikuchi round out a far deeper rotation. Maybe no one is singularly as good as Ray, but they are in great shap with those three. Adding Chapman is very good. Fair though to say they are not *dramatically* improved. But young team + deeper rotation seems like a recipe for a jump. The Yankees added far better defense at C, 3b, and SS. They kept Rizzo, a late add last year. Donaldson is a health risk, but he was still good last year. I think they are actually much better because of the defense and overall better composition. And speaking of Donaldson, if the Sox are looking at WCs, then the fact that both the White Sox and Twins look very good might mean there goes one of those tickets. I think all those teams did more. Heck, even the Rangers might bludgeon teams to death with football scores.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 4, 2022 14:28:32 GMT -5
Which rivals improved? The Yankees' only major addition was Donaldson, whose health is a perilous thread. The Blue Jays added Gausman, Kikuchi, and Chapman, but they lost Semien and Ray; seems like a wash at best, considering how much value they got out of the latter two last season. The Rays did a Rays. Houston lost Correa and added...?
I'm not totally sanguine about the offseason so far (mainly because of Eduardo leaving), but I'd still say the Red Sox did as much to improve as any of those other teams.
Berrios, Gausman, and Kikuchi round out a far deeper rotation. Maybe no one is singularly as good as Ray, but they are in great shap with those three. Adding Chapman is very good. Fair though to say they are not *dramatically* improved. But young team + deeper rotation seems like a recipe for a jump. The Yankees added far better defense at C, 3b, and SS. They kept Rizzo, a late add last year. Donaldson is a health risk, but he was still good last year. I think they are actually much better because of the defense and overall better composition. And speaking of Donaldson, if the Sox are looking at WCs, then the fact that both the White Sox and Twins look very good might mean there goes one of those tickets. I think all those teams did more. Heck, even the Rangers might bludgeon teams to death with football scores. Sounds like someone who is very pessimistic of the Red Sox and is therefore very optimistic of Red Sox rivals. How do the Yankees and Blue Jays get credit for improving with Berrios and Rizzo while the Red Sox get dinged for losing Schwarber? So the default is that last year's final roster is the baseline if you're the Red Sox, but not if you're the Yankees or Blue Jays?
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Post by incandenza on Apr 4, 2022 14:50:26 GMT -5
Which rivals improved? The Yankees' only major addition was Donaldson, whose health is a perilous thread. The Blue Jays added Gausman, Kikuchi, and Chapman, but they lost Semien and Ray; seems like a wash at best, considering how much value they got out of the latter two last season. The Rays did a Rays. Houston lost Correa and added...?
I'm not totally sanguine about the offseason so far (mainly because of Eduardo leaving), but I'd still say the Red Sox did as much to improve as any of those other teams.
Berrios, Gausman, and Kikuchi round out a far deeper rotation. Maybe no one is singularly as good as Ray, but they are in great shap with those three. Adding Chapman is very good. Fair though to say they are not *dramatically* improved. But young team + deeper rotation seems like a recipe for a jump. The Yankees added far better defense at C, 3b, and SS. They kept Rizzo, a late add last year. Donaldson is a health risk, but he was still good last year. I think they are actually much better because of the defense and overall better composition. And speaking of Donaldson, if the Sox are looking at WCs, then the fact that both the White Sox and Twins look very good might mean there goes one of those tickets. I think all those teams did more. Heck, even the Rangers might bludgeon teams to death with football scores. Well are you comparing to the start of last season or September rosters? Because you can't both credit the Jays for adding Berrios and ding the Red Sox for losing Schwarber.
Also, if adding Rentvert at C and Kiner-Falefa at SS count as notable improvements for the Yankees, then surely not counting on Franchy and Marwin count as notable improvements for the Red Sox.
And I don't think I'd agree that the Twins look "very good." Fangraphs projects like 82 wins in a weak division. That seems like a very wobbly rotation. I suppose they did improve, like the Rangers, but from a much lower baseline. Are we saying the Red Sox offseason should receive a lower grade because the Rangers are now a 75-win team?
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Post by manfred on Apr 4, 2022 14:59:36 GMT -5
Berrios, Gausman, and Kikuchi round out a far deeper rotation. Maybe no one is singularly as good as Ray, but they are in great shap with those three. Adding Chapman is very good. Fair though to say they are not *dramatically* improved. But young team + deeper rotation seems like a recipe for a jump. The Yankees added far better defense at C, 3b, and SS. They kept Rizzo, a late add last year. Donaldson is a health risk, but he was still good last year. I think they are actually much better because of the defense and overall better composition. And speaking of Donaldson, if the Sox are looking at WCs, then the fact that both the White Sox and Twins look very good might mean there goes one of those tickets. I think all those teams did more. Heck, even the Rangers might bludgeon teams to death with football scores. Well are you comparing to the start of last season or September rosters? Because you can't both credit the Jays for adding Berrios and ding the Red Sox for losing Schwarber.
Also, if adding Rentvert at C and Kiner-Falefa at SS count as notable improvements for the Yankees, then surely not counting on Franchy and Marwin count as notable improvements for the Red Sox.
And I don't think I'd agree that the Twins look "very good." Fangraphs projects like 82 wins in a weak division. That seems like a very wobbly rotation. I suppose they did improve, like the Rangers, but from a much lower baseline. Are we saying the Red Sox offseason should receive a lower grade because the Rangers are now a 75-win team?
I mean… in a sense. If you are grading off seasons, wouldn’t you say the Rangers had a good one? As for Berrios and Schwarber, first I’d say, yeah, late additions are sort of partly counted, because you have a full season. But more importantly, my point was that adding a few starters and having Berrios more than offsets the loss of Ray, the point I was responding to directly. Trading Renfroe and losing Schwarber is a gut punch when you add JBJ. Are you saying the Red Sox deserve a higher grade than the Rangers because they added much less but were a better team last year? And finally…. and I ask this sincerely, because I have not looked… did any team that is actively competing lose an equivalent to ERod, Renfroe, and Schwarber without a significant replacement? Add: and I am not pessimistic about the season, actually. I don’t think they had a great off-season. That seems hard to argue given how nany names got thrown around and didn’t sign. I can’t imagine anyone is psyched about the OF, and I bet most of us view losing ERod (and replacing him as they did) as at least uninspired. BUT… I still think what they have is pretty good. If things break right, who knows? I think it is an uphill slog, though — as it is for most contenders. And I think they go into the season with real vulnerabilities. But the lineup is a monster at the top, and there are pitchers who can dominate if they are at top form. So… play ball!
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Post by incandenza on Apr 4, 2022 15:23:51 GMT -5
Well are you comparing to the start of last season or September rosters? Because you can't both credit the Jays for adding Berrios and ding the Red Sox for losing Schwarber.
Also, if adding Rentvert at C and Kiner-Falefa at SS count as notable improvements for the Yankees, then surely not counting on Franchy and Marwin count as notable improvements for the Red Sox.
And I don't think I'd agree that the Twins look "very good." Fangraphs projects like 82 wins in a weak division. That seems like a very wobbly rotation. I suppose they did improve, like the Rangers, but from a much lower baseline. Are we saying the Red Sox offseason should receive a lower grade because the Rangers are now a 75-win team?
I mean… in a sense. If you are grading off seasons, wouldn’t you say the Rangers had a good one? ...Are you saying the Red Sox deserve a higher grade than the Rangers because they added much less but were a better team last year? No, I wouldn't say the Rangers had a good offseason. They took on two huge contracts without actually making the team good; and they'll be hamstrung by those contracts when they are in a position to compete. I don't think the Rockies had a good offseason just because they added Bryant either.
Okay, I guess you are saying the Jays are going from half a season of Berrios to a full season, while the Red Sox are going from half a season of Schwarber to none. But then that's inconsistent with claiming that "having Berrios more than offsets the loss of Ray"; they had both Ray and Berrios for half of last season! 1 season of Berrios cannot replace 1.5 seasons of (Ray + Berrios). Okay, rereading this I guess the claim is that Gausman + Kikuchi + full season of Berrios replaces Ray + half season of Berrios. I still say that's a lateral move at best, considering how much value they got out of Ray last season.
By the logic you applied to the Blue Jays, isn't Sale the replacement for ERod? They ought to get an extra half season's worth of starts or so; and of course Sale is, if healthy, a lot better than ERod. Plus Wacha/Hill/Paxton/Houck for a full season is not nothing. I'd argue the Red Sox did at least as much as the Jays to improve their rotation.
And why is Story not the significant replacement for Schwarber? If it's because he plays a different position, then the Jays have no "significant replacement" for Semien.
Also Houston lost Correa, who is pretty much worth ERod, Renfroe, and Schwarber combined. If not signing every name that gets "thrown around" makes for a bad offseason, then no team in history has ever had a good one.
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Post by manfred on Apr 4, 2022 15:35:06 GMT -5
I mean… in a sense. If you are grading off seasons, wouldn’t you say the Rangers had a good one? ...Are you saying the Red Sox deserve a higher grade than the Rangers because they added much less but were a better team last year? No, I wouldn't say the Rangers had a good offseason. They took on two huge contracts without actually making the team good; and they'll be hamstrung by those contracts when they are in a position to compete. I don't think the Rockies had a good offseason just because they added Bryant either.
Okay, I guess you are saying the Jays are going from half a season of Berrios to a full season, while the Red Sox are going from half a season of Schwarber to none. But then that's inconsistent with claiming that "having Berrios more than offsets the loss of Ray"; they had both Ray and Berrios for half of last season! 1 season of Berrios cannot replace 1.5 seasons of (Ray + Berrios).
By the logic you applied to the Blue Jays, isn't Sale the replacement for ERod? They ought to get an extra half season's worth of starts or so; and of course Sale is, if healthy, a lot better than ERod. Plus Wacha/Hill/Paxton is not nothing. And why is Story not the significant replacement for Schwarber? If it's because he plays a different position, then the Jays have no "significant replacement" for Semien.
Also Houston lost Correa, who is pretty much worth ERod, Renfroe, and Schwarber combined. If not signing every name that gets "thrown around" makes for a bad offseason, then no team in history has ever had a good one.
Berrios, Gausman, and Kikuchi. None of whom, as far as I’m aware, have broken ribs. Not signing “every” name. Here are the main questions: are you pleased with the OF moves? The starting pitching moves? If the answer to one or both is “yes,” then you have reason to say this was a good off-season. If the answer to both is “no,” which it is for me, it wasn’t a great success, Story notwithstanding. I don’t see that as a wild or even pessimistic position,
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Post by incandenza on Apr 4, 2022 15:40:48 GMT -5
No, I wouldn't say the Rangers had a good offseason. They took on two huge contracts without actually making the team good; and they'll be hamstrung by those contracts when they are in a position to compete. I don't think the Rockies had a good offseason just because they added Bryant either.
Okay, I guess you are saying the Jays are going from half a season of Berrios to a full season, while the Red Sox are going from half a season of Schwarber to none. But then that's inconsistent with claiming that "having Berrios more than offsets the loss of Ray"; they had both Ray and Berrios for half of last season! 1 season of Berrios cannot replace 1.5 seasons of (Ray + Berrios).
By the logic you applied to the Blue Jays, isn't Sale the replacement for ERod? They ought to get an extra half season's worth of starts or so; and of course Sale is, if healthy, a lot better than ERod. Plus Wacha/Hill/Paxton is not nothing. And why is Story not the significant replacement for Schwarber? If it's because he plays a different position, then the Jays have no "significant replacement" for Semien.
Also Houston lost Correa, who is pretty much worth ERod, Renfroe, and Schwarber combined. If not signing every name that gets "thrown around" makes for a bad offseason, then no team in history has ever had a good one.
Berrios, Gausman, and Kikuchi. None of whom, as far as I’m aware, have broken ribs. Not signing “every” name. Here are the main questions: are you pleased with the OF moves? The starting pitching moves? If the answer to one or both is “yes,” then you have reason to say this was a good off-season. If the answer to both is “no,” which it is for me, it wasn’t a great success, Story notwithstanding. I don’t see that as a wild or even pessimistic position, On the completely different question of whether they had a good offseason, I'd call it decent but not great, assuming no further moves. (I see that you've phrased the issue, though, in such a way as to exclude their big headlining addition, who is an infielder.)
But what we were discussing was whether it was the case that the Red Sox' main rivals improved more than the Red Sox did. I don't think that is the case.
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Post by manfred on Apr 4, 2022 15:53:36 GMT -5
Berrios, Gausman, and Kikuchi. None of whom, as far as I’m aware, have broken ribs. Not signing “every” name. Here are the main questions: are you pleased with the OF moves? The starting pitching moves? If the answer to one or both is “yes,” then you have reason to say this was a good off-season. If the answer to both is “no,” which it is for me, it wasn’t a great success, Story notwithstanding. I don’t see that as a wild or even pessimistic position, On the completely different question of whether they had a good offseason, I'd call it decent but not great, assuming no further moves. (I see that you've phrased the issue, though, in such a way as to exclude their big headlining addition, who is an infielder.)
But what we were discussing was whether it was the case that the Red Sox' main rivals improved more than the Red Sox did. I don't think that is the case.
Well, I’m not playing games, but I’m also not writing books. Story is a big addition. But I thought their OF was a weakness *last* year, so that off season failure is glaring. We can agree to disagree on the rest. I think the Jays and Yanks are better. There you go. 🤷♂️
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 4, 2022 16:00:10 GMT -5
On the completely different question of whether they had a good offseason, I'd call it decent but not great, assuming no further moves. (I see that you've phrased the issue, though, in such a way as to exclude their big headlining addition, who is an infielder.)
But what we were discussing was whether it was the case that the Red Sox' main rivals improved more than the Red Sox did. I don't think that is the case.
Well, I’m not playing games, but I’m also not writing books. Story is a big addition. But I thought their OF was a weakness *last* year, so that off season failure is glaring. We can agree to disagree on the rest. I think the Jays and Yanks are better. There you go. 🤷♂️ The Red Sox were 5th in baseball in outfield fWAR last season. How exactly was it a weakness?
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