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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2022 0:34:29 GMT -5
“…if they stay healthy…..” Please do share your crystal ball as to which players will stay healthy with Bloom…. What are you arguing? Of course there is a risk of injury with any player, especially pitchers. It seems to me the proper response to that is not that one should not ever sign any free agents. So one has to choose. Eduardo, given his age and health history, seemed to me like a better bet than most.
If you really do think no pitcher should ever be signed to a 5-year contract (even with an opt-out after two years), then feel free to defend that position. To be honest, from what we've seen Bloom might well agree with you.
Since you and I do not have access to any player’s medical file, we can not say why Bloom chose to pass on E-Rod, but he did. Bloom signed Story to a long term contract, so it is not like he is refusing to do it. IMO, when Bloom finds the right player at the right price, then he will sign that player. Maybe Eovaldi will be that player, but I am not holding my breath. |
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Post by manfred on Apr 10, 2022 8:14:04 GMT -5
What are you arguing? Of course there is a risk of injury with any player, especially pitchers. It seems to me the proper response to that is not that one should not ever sign any free agents. So one has to choose. Eduardo, given his age and health history, seemed to me like a better bet than most.
If you really do think no pitcher should ever be signed to a 5-year contract (even with an opt-out after two years), then feel free to defend that position. To be honest, from what we've seen Bloom might well agree with you.
Since you and I do not have access to any player’s medical file, we can not say why Bloom chose to pass on E-Rod, but he did. Bloom signed Story to a long term contract, so it is not like he is refusing to do it. IMO, when Bloom finds the right player at the right price, then he will sign that player. Maybe Eovaldi will be that player, but I am not holding my breath. This may be true, but it also may be Bloom-can-do-no-wrong syndrome. You are basically saying because ERod left it was because a) that was how Bloom wanted it and b) it must therefore have been for the best. In that case, not signing, say, Suzuki was because he didn’t really want him? It is fine to say we don’t know… but leave it at that. |
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Post by incandenza on Apr 10, 2022 11:51:22 GMT -5
What are you arguing? Of course there is a risk of injury with any player, especially pitchers. It seems to me the proper response to that is not that one should not ever sign any free agents. So one has to choose. Eduardo, given his age and health history, seemed to me like a better bet than most.
If you really do think no pitcher should ever be signed to a 5-year contract (even with an opt-out after two years), then feel free to defend that position. To be honest, from what we've seen Bloom might well agree with you.
Since you and I do not have access to any player’s medical file, we can not say why Bloom chose to pass on E-Rod, but he did. Bloom signed Story to a long term contract, so it is not like he is refusing to do it. IMO, when Bloom finds the right player at the right price, then he will sign that player. Maybe Eovaldi will be that player, but I am not holding my breath. What manfred said. But also, the Tigers had access to his medical file as well. Why should we automatically defer to Bloom but not to the Tigers' evaluation?
Where I am sort of sympathetic with you is that I think casting judgment on Bloom or any other GM is an overrated and kind of boring way to look at what he does. Not that I'm immune from doing it myself. But I think the more interesting thing is to try to figure out his strategy, and consider its strengths and weaknesses, the ways it might go right or wrong. On the pitching front, he does seem to really value keeping the team's commitments short-term, and given the attrition rate with pitchers, that makes some sense. The risk, of course, is that you don't have enough good starting pitchers, and that seems to me like the biggest risk for the team this season.
I just felt that if you were ever going to go long term-ish with a pitcher, Rodriguez was the one to do it with, given the contract he signed for. I would cite... every single other pitcher free agent signing this past offseason as examples of worse bets one could make. I even think the opt out after his second year is more likely than not to work out for the Tigers - because it's a backloaded contract, if he's good enough to opt out he'll have returned a lot of positive value in those two years, and then some other team can take the longer-term risk.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 10, 2022 19:30:49 GMT -5
I personally think that there was little chance that they were ever going to sign ERod or Suzuki, because ERod's contract was reasonable and Suzuki was such a need.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 11, 2022 14:46:34 GMT -5
I personally think that there was little chance that they were ever going to sign ERod or Suzuki, because ERod's contract was reasonable and Suzuki was such a need. I love this comment. That is all. |
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Post by Guidas on Apr 11, 2022 15:13:43 GMT -5
….. woe and lamentation." ….or maybe Bloom sees another contract similar to the extension they have with Chris Sale…..money out the door and lots of DL time and no production. I personally am tired of signing players long term and getting declining years. If you're not willing to go 5 years for a 29 year old pitcher in good health because you're worried about injury and decline then I guess you just don't ever want to go higher than the Wacha/Hill tier of free agents. (And Chris Sale was 32, with an alarming decline in his velocity just before Dombrowski signed him to that extension; it's not really comparable in any way to Eduardo.) Side note: I have this vague/anecdotal sense that the aging curves for positional players and pitchers are different in this way - positional players tend to reach their peak ability in their twenties, whereas pitchers reach their peak ability in their 30s, but only if they stay healthy, which they often do not. Does the data back that up?
Well, there is the Mr. Brian Kenny Rule from Ahead of the Curve where he claims to have done a deep dive on pitchers and, as I recall (though it's been a while), he said the data show that it is folly to sign any pitcher over 30 with any injury history for more than 2 years because they will break down for a significant period of time on a longer deal (and that two year window is not magical, either, just acceptable risk). Of course, if he's healthy and he's good, he's going to get more than 2 years, sooooo.... |
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