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4/19/-4/21 Red Sox vs. Blue Jays Series Thread
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Post by ramireja on Apr 18, 2022 21:23:49 GMT -5
4/19 Red Sox (RHP Nathan Eovaldi, 1-0, 4.50, 10.0 IP, 13K:2BB) vs. Blue Jays (LHP Yusei Kikuchi, 0-1, 5.40, 3.1 IP, 2K:2BB) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 4/20 Red Sox (RHP Nick Pivetta, 0-2, 9.39, 7.2 IP, 6K:5BB) vs. Blue Jays (RHP José Berríos, 0-0, 11.81, 5.1 IP, 5K:5BB) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 4/21 Red Sox (RHP Tanner Houck, 1-0, 3.00, 9.0 IP, 7K:6BB) vs. Blue Jays (RHP Kevin Gausman, 0-1, 4.22, 10.2 IP, 14K:0BB) 1:35 pm ET, NESN/WEEI MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsA note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2022: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been very liberal in moderating the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way would be silly. However, we do ask posters to maintain a certain level of decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit), and of course, follow the Ground Rules ( link). The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. -The Management
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Post by benzinger on Apr 18, 2022 22:03:49 GMT -5
I thought we already established that Houck wasn’t pitching in this series due to COVID restrictions in Canada?
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 18, 2022 22:07:42 GMT -5
I thought we already established that Houck wasn’t pitching in this series due to COVID restrictions in Canada? This is the series in Boston, they go to Canada in a week. I made the same mistake earlier today. |
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Post by cdj on Apr 18, 2022 23:03:56 GMT -5
A 7 o clock start during the week! Finally!
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Apr 18, 2022 23:28:54 GMT -5
The Sox are playing like a .500 team thus far but it seems like a few tweaks could put them on a roll.
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Post by art on Apr 19, 2022 6:34:10 GMT -5
I thought we already established that Houck wasn’t pitching in this series due to COVID restrictions in Canada? This is the series in Boston, they go to Canada in a week. I made the same mistake earlier today. Is Houck the only player on the team who won't be traveling to Canada? |
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 19, 2022 7:34:42 GMT -5
Plawecki unless he recovers really really fast.
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Post by radiohix on Apr 19, 2022 7:59:52 GMT -5
Red Sox offense is 2nd in MLB in swinging, also 2nd in chasing pitches out of the zone and 1st in whiffs. Looks like a continuation of last year approach pre- Schwarber’s trade.
Man I miss the old days of Red Sox offenses that work the count and swing at strikes.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Apr 19, 2022 8:02:12 GMT -5
I think JD Me has also made a decision that will keep him off the field in Toronto.
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Post by nomar on Apr 19, 2022 8:29:05 GMT -5
Red Sox offense is 2nd in MLB in swinging, also 2nd in chasing pitches out of the zone and 1st in whiffs. Looks like a continuation of last year approach pre- Schwarber’s trade. Man I miss the old days of Red Sox offenses that work the count and swing at strikes. We’re just doing our part in allowing SPs to reach 200 innings again. |
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Post by art on Apr 19, 2022 8:45:48 GMT -5
I think JD Me has also made a decision that will keep him off the field in Toronto. I was wondering about him too. There's another series in Toronto in September and its possible we could play them in the postseason as well. All hands needed on deck. |
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Post by KB24 on Apr 19, 2022 8:50:36 GMT -5
I think JD Me has also made a decision that will keep him off the field in Toronto. I was wondering about him too. There's another series in Toronto in September and its possible we could play them in the postseason as well. All hands needed on deck. It's not outside the realm of very possible chance that Boston could square up against Toronto in a playoff series. You've got Sale & Houck on the record as unvaccinated. If Canada's regulations don't change between now and then it's possible half your postseason rotation (4 starters) is in unavailable for those away games. If Sale gets healthy could we envision Bloom potentially trading him (or Houck?) for a strong SP option that would be eligible for those games? |
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Post by benzinger on Apr 19, 2022 9:08:34 GMT -5
I think JD Me has also made a decision that will keep him off the field in Toronto. I was wondering about him too. There's another series in Toronto in September and its possible we could play them in the postseason as well. All hands needed on deck. It’s possible that Canada joins the majority of the Western world and relaxes the restrictions by September anyway. If New York and LA can do it, anything is possible. |
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Post by benzinger on Apr 19, 2022 9:13:42 GMT -5
I was wondering about him too. There's another series in Toronto in September and its possible we could play them in the postseason as well. All hands needed on deck. It's not outside the realm of very possible chance that Boston could square up against Toronto in a playoff series. You've got Sale & Houck on the record as unvaccinated. If Canada's regulations don't change between now and then it's possible half your postseason rotation (4 starters) is in unavailable for those away games. If Sale gets healthy could we envision Bloom potentially trading him (or Houck?) for a strong SP option that would be eligible for those games? In your hypothetical, you would just stack the pitching so that Sale and Houck pitched in Fenway instead of on the road. I’m pretty sure that Bloom wouldn’t make a trade in anticipation of a series that is months after the trade deadline anyway. He’d need to have a pretty good crystal ball to pull that off. |
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Post by KB24 on Apr 19, 2022 9:23:49 GMT -5
In your hypothetical, you would just stack the pitching so that Sale and Houck pitched in Fenway instead of on the road. I’m pretty sure that Bloom wouldn’t make a trade in anticipation of a series that is months after the trade deadline anyway. He’d need to have a pretty good crystal ball to pull that off. Fully understood, however, circumstances don't always allow teams the opportunity to set their rotation perfectly for a playoff series and it becomes just one more obstacle to deal with, and an unnecessary one. Most likely you could set them up that way but if they couldn't and Cora had to resort to a mish-mash of pitchers to get through games while a fully healthy Sale/Houck idle by the border it would be difficult for him to defend. |
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Post by redsox04071318champs on Apr 19, 2022 9:45:24 GMT -5
In your hypothetical, you would just stack the pitching so that Sale and Houck pitched in Fenway instead of on the road. I’m pretty sure that Bloom wouldn’t make a trade in anticipation of a series that is months after the trade deadline anyway. He’d need to have a pretty good crystal ball to pull that off. Fully understood, however, circumstances don't always allow teams the opportunity to set their rotation perfectly for a playoff series and it becomes just one more obstacle to deal with, and an unnecessary one. Most likely you could set them up that way but if they couldn't and Cora had to resort to a mish-mash of pitchers to get through games while a fully healthy Sale/Houck idle by the border it would be difficult for him to defend. True that it would be highly inconvenient, but Bloom is not going to trade a player away because of that, especially one as talented and young as Tanner Houck, who might be the second most valuable long-term member of the pitching staff behind Garrett Whitlock. Like Benzinger said, in a hypothetical situation, it would be rigged in a way where Houck and/or Sale pitched at Fenway instead. Certainly not an ideal situation, but again this is hypothetical as we have no idea if the Sox and Jays are meeting in a post-season series, nor is it a slam dunk that Houck or Sale would even pitch well in Toronto. Who knows? |
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Post by Guidas on Apr 19, 2022 10:05:06 GMT -5
Red Sox offense is 2nd in MLB in swinging, also 2nd in chasing pitches out of the zone and 1st in whiffs. Looks like a continuation of last year approach pre- Schwarber’s trade. Man I miss the old days of Red Sox offenses that work the count and swing at strikes. Is this no longer an organizational emphasis? I know it may not be as much with the focus on three outcomes, but too many guys swinging for the fences means plate discipline and working counts becomes a market and, ultimately, on-field competitive advantage. btw, this is actually the approach Casas seems to adopted on his own to the marvel of sportswriters and others who talk about unleashing his power. Control the zone, get rid of as much O-swing as you can and the power will come. Grind and drive, I think is how Manny used to describe it. |
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Post by TearsIn04 on Apr 19, 2022 10:05:36 GMT -5
Sale could take more needles than a pin cushion and he'd still be tough to move without taking another big contract back. He's got an AAV of $25.6M and hasn't pitched a full season in five years.
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Post by TearsIn04 on Apr 19, 2022 10:51:13 GMT -5
Fully understood, however, circumstances don't always allow teams the opportunity to set their rotation perfectly for a playoff series and it becomes just one more obstacle to deal with, and an unnecessary one. Most likely you could set them up that way but if they couldn't and Cora had to resort to a mish-mash of pitchers to get through games while a fully healthy Sale/Houck idle by the border it would be difficult for him to defend. True that it would be highly inconvenient, but Bloom is not going to trade a player away because of that, especially one as talented and young as Tanner Houck, who might be the second most valuable long-term member of the pitching staff behind Garrett Whitlock. Like Benzinger said, in a hypothetical situation, it would be rigged in a way where Houck and/or Sale pitched at Fenway instead. Certainly not an ideal situation, but again this is hypothetical as we have no idea if the Sox and Jays are meeting in a post-season series, nor is it a slam dunk that Houck or Sale would even pitch well in Toronto. Who knows? It could also affect the team in that Cora has shown he likes to use starters in relief in the PS. You could set up the rotation so that he pitches at Fenway, but he'd be unavailable to get big outs in relief once the series moves to Toronto. |
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Post by julyanmorley on Apr 19, 2022 12:19:19 GMT -5
lol Eovaldi is the major league leader for pitches in a game this season with 101
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Apr 19, 2022 12:30:18 GMT -5
Fully understood, however, circumstances don't always allow teams the opportunity to set their rotation perfectly for a playoff series and it becomes just one more obstacle to deal with, and an unnecessary one. Most likely you could set them up that way but if they couldn't and Cora had to resort to a mish-mash of pitchers to get through games while a fully healthy Sale/Houck idle by the border it would be difficult for him to defend. True that it would be highly inconvenient, but Bloom is not going to trade a player away because of that, especially one as talented and young as Tanner Houck, who might be the second most valuable long-term member of the pitching staff behind Garrett Whitlock. Like Benzinger said, in a hypothetical situation, it would be rigged in a way where Houck and/or Sale pitched at Fenway instead. Certainly not an ideal situation, but again this is hypothetical as we have no idea if the Sox and Jays are meeting in a post-season series, nor is it a slam dunk that Houck or Sale would even pitch well in Toronto. Who knows? AC has talked about piggybacking Sale and Houck when Sale gets back. Would be a pretty big contrast for hitters. If they did that, it would represent only one rotation spot, so it would be easier to sync up for a home game. It's also a really interesting strategy for a playoff series.
Also, it's possible that one or both could have a change of heart and get the shots. Xander changed his mind over the off-season and I think some others also did. There's time for that before Sept/Oct.
Someone else mentioned that Canada could lift their restrictions but that's out of the club's control. Cases are going back up again now, so it seems unlikely to happen soon and it's hard to guess what a foreign government will do either way. I would bet on them doing whatever is popular with the majority of their citizens, as they are a democracy.
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Post by manfred on Apr 19, 2022 12:32:25 GMT -5
Sox need one of those innings that starts with a few guys from the bottom half getting on and turning over to the top with runners on and few outs. That will be the explosion. It feels like too often it is top half gets on, bottom half lets it get away.
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Post by Oregon Norm on Apr 19, 2022 12:35:57 GMT -5
Red Sox offense is 2nd in MLB in swinging, also 2nd in chasing pitches out of the zone and 1st in whiffs. Looks like a continuation of last year approach pre- Schwarber’s trade. Man I miss the old days of Red Sox offenses that work the count and swing at strikes. The exception - not unexpected - is Bradley who's IsoD is once again 100+ points over his avg. |
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Post by Guidas on Apr 19, 2022 13:14:50 GMT -5
True that it would be highly inconvenient, but Bloom is not going to trade a player away because of that, especially one as talented and young as Tanner Houck, who might be the second most valuable long-term member of the pitching staff behind Garrett Whitlock. Like Benzinger said, in a hypothetical situation, it would be rigged in a way where Houck and/or Sale pitched at Fenway instead. Certainly not an ideal situation, but again this is hypothetical as we have no idea if the Sox and Jays are meeting in a post-season series, nor is it a slam dunk that Houck or Sale would even pitch well in Toronto. Who knows? AC has talked about piggybacking Sale and Houck when Sale gets back. Would be a pretty big contrast for hitters. If they did that, it would represent only one rotation spot, so it would be easier to sync up for a home game. It's also a really interesting strategy for a playoff series.
Also, it's possible that one or both could have a change of heart and get the shots. Xander changed his mind over the off-season and I think some others also did. There's time for that before Sept/Oct. Someone else mentioned that Canada could lift their restrictions but that's out of the club's control. Cases are going back up again now, so it seems unlikely to happen soon and it's hard to guess what a foreign government will do either way. I would bet on them doing whatever is popular with the majority of their citizens, as they are a democracy.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 19, 2022 15:40:02 GMT -5
Line-up Game #1:
1. Kiké Hernández CF
2. Trevor Story, 2B
3. Rafael Devers 3B
4. Xander Bogaerts SS
5. J.D. Martinez DH
6. Alex Verdugo LF
7. Bobby Dalbec 1B
8. Christian Arroyo RF
9. Connor Wong C
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