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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 19, 2022 22:00:08 GMT -5
Is Whitlock OK?
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 19, 2022 22:01:45 GMT -5
Wong looks good defensively. Not sure about offense. He looks really small to me. Does he have a good arm? I can accept a defense-first guy. Solid arm. Not a cannon, but a quick release, good mechanics.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 19, 2022 23:21:33 GMT -5
Wong looks good defensively. Not sure about offense. He looks really small to me. Does he have a good arm? I can accept a defense-first guy. Solid arm. Not a cannon, but a quick release, good mechanics. But a bit too active behind the dish to be a good pitch framer.
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Post by cdj on Apr 20, 2022 0:20:09 GMT -5
Honestly it’s insane that nobody gave Robles a major league deal after his stretch run while the Sox tried to lock up a playoff spot
When we signed him I assumed it would be a major league deal with incentives that could push the value up
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Post by greenmonster on Apr 20, 2022 6:03:22 GMT -5
Solid arm. Not a cannon, but a quick release, good mechanics. But a bit too active behind the dish to be a good pitch framer. Red Sox pitchers threw 100 of 152 pitches for strikes (66%).... Doesn't seem to be much of a problem
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Post by benzinger on Apr 20, 2022 9:19:26 GMT -5
Andrew BaseHitendi has 12 hits and 1XBH this season. .375BA/.469SLG/.423BABIP
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Post by manfred on Apr 20, 2022 9:38:53 GMT -5
Andrew BaseHitendi has 12 hits and 1XBH this season. .375BA/.469SLG/.423BABIP You know what you call a guy with that line (and a fresh Gold Glove)? All star.
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 20, 2022 10:13:32 GMT -5
Solid arm. Not a cannon, but a quick release, good mechanics. But a bit too active behind the dish to be a good pitch framer. I think that's fair, though he always seems to be in good position to receive the ball. Probably bears watching.
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Post by benzinger on Apr 20, 2022 10:22:16 GMT -5
Andrew BaseHitendi has 12 hits and 1XBH this season. .375BA/.469SLG/.423BABIP You know what you call a guy with that line (and a fresh Gold Glove)? All star. Interesting. I was going to say “lucky”.
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 20, 2022 10:32:29 GMT -5
Andrew BaseHitendi has 12 hits and 1XBH this season. .375BA/.469SLG/.423BABIP You know what you call a guy with that line (and a fresh Gold Glove)? All star. This thread made me want to check on the recent RFs so far (numbers are YTD): Benintendi .325 xwOBA, JBJ .337, Renfroe .291 SSS sample size so who knows what they'll do the rest of the way, but funny that JBJ has been making the best contact so far. Another sort of interesting note is that for their careers all of these guys' wOBA is within .002 of their xwOBA.
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Post by bosoxnation on Apr 20, 2022 10:33:58 GMT -5
Andrew BaseHitendi has 12 hits and 1XBH this season. .375BA/.469SLG/.423BABIP You know what you call a guy with that line (and a fresh Gold Glove)? All star. I’ll probably get murdered for saying this but, he’s a free agent after this season and would fit perfectly in RF. Just saying…..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 10:38:41 GMT -5
You know what you call a guy with that line (and a fresh Gold Glove)? All star. Interesting. I was going to say “lucky”. Bloom must not have wanted Verdugo in RF as it seems Verdugo has replaced Beni in LF. Verdugo costs less and had 4 more years of controllability. Bloom must also not liked Renfroe’s defense in RF as he was a 1 year stopgap which was used to acquire prospects and JBJ for better defense, or maybe JBJ is a stopgap for Duran. In any case I am happy for Beni as he has always been one of my favorites since he was drafted in 2015, and he has been a solid above average player. Although, I would not use the words all star to describe him.
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Post by jimed14 on Apr 20, 2022 10:39:50 GMT -5
You know what you call a guy with that line (and a fresh Gold Glove)? All star. I’ll probably get murdered for saying this but, he’s a free agent after this season and would fit perfectly in RF. Just saying….. He's never been a good fit for RF.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2022 10:44:38 GMT -5
You know what you call a guy with that line (and a fresh Gold Glove)? All star. I’ll probably get murdered for saying this but, he’s a free agent after this season and would fit perfectly in RF. Just saying….. Beni is certainly a possibility for 2023, but IMO Bloom will give Duran every opportunity to win RF as long as Covid, injury, or something weird happening does not derail his chance.
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Post by manfred on Apr 20, 2022 10:57:26 GMT -5
Beni is gone, and that is ok. I wish him the best… I really hope he has a long great career. I am not against having traded him (though I hated the return), and I view signing him as sort of pointless. He and Verdugo are similar players. One is great on a team. Two might be unnecessary.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 20, 2022 11:04:04 GMT -5
Andrew BaseHitendi has 12 hits and 1XBH this season. .375BA/.469SLG/.423BABIP You know what you call a guy with that line (and a fresh Gold Glove)? All star. May be a Sox target in the free agent market.
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 20, 2022 12:12:44 GMT -5
But a bit too active behind the dish to be a good pitch framer. Red Sox pitchers threw 100 of 152 pitches for strikes (66%).... Doesn't seem to be much of a problem That's underselling him imo. Just my opinion, but I thought he framed well and even stole a few calls last night. From what I've seen of him he seems like a solid defensive catcher, and his positional versatility means he could be really valuable as a backup. If his bat can be more than an absolute black hole I hope he's our backup next season.
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Post by notstarboard on Apr 20, 2022 12:23:06 GMT -5
You know what you call a guy with that line (and a fresh Gold Glove)? All star. Interesting. I was going to say “lucky”. Especially since he won his Gold Glove last year with a whopping 0 OAA. 7 DRS is nothing to sneeze at, but he always performs weirdly favorably in that metric and as far as I'm concerned DRS is inferior to OAA.
Edit: Verdugo had 1 OAA and 7 DRS in LF last year in only 79 starts (50 fewer than Benintendi), and both are volume-based stats so he would look even better versus Benintendi if he hadn't had to play ~60 games at CF/RF. Verdugo wasn't even a GG finalist. Instead they had Arozarena (0 OAA, 7 DRS in 69 starts; very Verdugo-esque) and freaking Lourdes Gurriel Jr., the worst LF in the AL by OAA (-9 OAA, 6 DRS in 115 starts). Let's just reward Benintendi for volume I guess? Participation trophy?
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Post by redsoxfan2 on Apr 20, 2022 13:39:07 GMT -5
Benni seems like he's going to be a very OK moving forward. I didn't mind the trade, but really want Wink to work out. Can't properly predict everyone.
So far, Bloom's doing OK with Mookie Betts, Kyle Schwarber, Hunter Renfroe, JBJ, and E-Rod.
If Benni is the one that bites him, I'm OK with that.
Obviously all SSS as I don't suspect JBJ to have a higher WAR than Mookie Betts.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Apr 20, 2022 13:49:08 GMT -5
He's been okay to bad. It looks like he hasn't yet learned how to take his eye off the ball briefly while running to where the ball is going to land or determine quickly where that will be. He was largely responsible for the runs that Hill gave up in his first start in Detroit (which also has a big RF). Bad routes, balls fell in front of him (one he dove for and didn't look comfortable doing that).
SSS, so hope he improves.
Following up on this, I certainly thought today he looked better than bad overall. Yeah, I just listened to the game and it sounds like he has started to improve already. I'm sure he's picking everybody's brain about it and getting intensive OF coaching. Significant part of that 2-1 win.
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Apr 20, 2022 13:58:19 GMT -5
Red Sox pitchers threw 100 of 152 pitches for strikes (66%).... Doesn't seem to be much of a problem That's underselling him imo. Just my opinion, but I thought he framed well and even stole a few calls last night. From what I've seen of him he seems like a solid defensive catcher, and his positional versatility means he could be really valuable as a backup. If his bat can be more than an absolute black hole I hope he's our backup next season. For whatever it's worth, all 7 misses were balls called strikes and more went in Toronto's favor technically, so hard to say if it was the framing or the zone.
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 20, 2022 14:03:09 GMT -5
But a bit too active behind the dish to be a good pitch framer. I think that's fair, though he always seems to be in good position to receive the ball. Probably bears watching. Agreed, he reminds me of Greg Swindell if you remember him. I think he's the Sox system catcher who would benefit most by robo umps.
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Post by Underwater Johnson on Apr 20, 2022 14:04:25 GMT -5
Red Sox pitchers threw 100 of 152 pitches for strikes (66%).... Doesn't seem to be much of a problem That's underselling him imo. Just my opinion, but I thought he framed well and even stole a few calls last night. From what I've seen of him he seems like a solid defensive catcher, and his positional versatility means he could be really valuable as a backup. If his bat can be more than an absolute black hole I hope he's our backup next season. He's hit pretty well all the way up through the minors. Numbers dipped a bit upon reaching AAA last season, which is to be expected especially after only playing 40 games in AA (and then getting 2020 off), but still a .731 AAA OPS after being solidly above .800 at all lower levels. Assuming he plays this full season as the starting C in Worcester, I see reason to believe he can adjust and be ready for a promotion next year. A steady MLB paycheck might also help him put some more weight on his 6'1" frame.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 20, 2022 15:01:55 GMT -5
Line-upage:
1. CF Kiké Hernández
2. 3B Rafael Devers
3. DH J.D. Martinez
4. SS Xander Bogaerts
5. LF Alex Verdugo
6. 2B Trevor Story
7. 1B Bobby Dalbec
8. RF Jackie Bradley Jr.
9. C Connor Wong
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Post by FenwayFanatic on Apr 20, 2022 15:07:05 GMT -5
Benintendi was Dombrowksi’s “guy” so Bloom sold low on him. By far his worst move and I hated it at the time. I remember Guidas and a lot of others on this board did too.
Hopefully Winckowski pans out (baseball trade values already values him more highly than Benintendi) and trading Benintendi allowed the Sox to get Ottavino and Germán who looks interesting. They also got Renfroe who they sold high on. So the correlated moves they made with Benintendi look fine but it was still a very weird sell low move by itself.
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