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Post by notnickyorke on May 5, 2023 16:44:29 GMT -5
You also have Mondesi Coming back at some point too. Lineup is already good, but could be scary if everyone is healthy at the same time. Adding Story and Duval makes the left/right balance way better. Duvall and Duran compliment each other well in the outfield. Story and Mondesi adds a stolen base threat the team is kind of missing as well as improves middle infield defense.
C: Wong 1B: Casas* 2B: Hernandez SS: Story 3B: Devers* LF: Yoshida* CF: Duran* RF: Verdugo* DH: Turner
1: McGuire* 2: Mondesi# 3: Duvall 4: Refsnyder
Vs rightys
1-Verdugo*-RF 2-Story -SS 3-Yoshida* -LF 4-Devers* -3B 5-Turner -DH 6-Duran* -CF 7-Casas* -1B 8-McGuire* -C 9-Mondesi# -2B
1-Wong 2-Hernandez 3-Duvall 4-Refsnyder
Vs Lefties
1-Story -SS 2-Verdugo*- RF 3-Turner -1B 4-Devers* -3B 5-Duvall -CF 6-Yoshida* -DH 7-Refsnyder- LF 8-Wong - C 9-Hernandez -2B
1-McGuire* 2-Casas* 3-Mondesi# 4-Duran*
Would need to drop Tapia, Chang, and Arroyo. Arroyo is the only one I would shed a tear over, but Mondesi fits the team better. It also seems unlikely that everyone would be healthy.
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Post by pappyman99 on May 7, 2023 7:49:29 GMT -5
The question really is, who should get squeezed out assuming health and the other guys coming back.
Do we have anything in Story? I feel like best speculation is the best case scenario is sometime between the all star break and august as a return?
Full healthy Duran and Duvall just platoon or perhaps do we make Turner the full time 1B, especially if Casas is still completely struggling? Can still play the SP matchups but it would get Duran in the lineup more if we do that.
Yoshida DH Story SS Verdugo RF Devers 3B Turner 1B Duran LF Duvall CF Wong C
Then who do we squeeze out of Tapia/Arroyo/Hernandez/Mondesi/Valdez?
Unpopular opinion is Hernandez/Arroyo very well could be the worst of those 5
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Post by ericmvan on May 7, 2023 11:24:11 GMT -5
I've been thinking about the potential roster jam.
Easiest thing: when Duvall returns, he plays LF (where he's a great defender), Masa becomes the regular DH, and Tapia is traded. Turner plays every day against LHP (with any of the lefty bats getting a day off) and is often in the lineup against RHP because of day-to-day injuries, matchups, and the like. Tapia's been a solid bench piece, but the downgrade from him to the best OF on the Woo roster is not worth worrying about.
The tough decision is of course the middle infielders. Kiké, Arroyo, Mondesi, Chang, and eventually Story. If you keep Refsnyder on the bench, there's room for just 3 of the five.
Mondesi and Chang are redundant, and you want one of them on the roster to start at SS when you're expecting a lot of grounders to be hit. Ideally, he's good enough to be the semi-regular. Mondesi seems to be the better player of the two -- if he's healthy. It would be great to get Chang through waivers when the time comes.
Point 1: the speculation about a July or August return for Story was as a DH. And that may well not be a need. It might make more sense to bring him back on 9/1 playing 2B. He can be a SS next year.
Point 2: if you keep 4 middle infielders, that frees up Kiké to play more OF, and if he's hitting well enough, that makes Refsnyder easier to deal. And that's how you would make space for Story before 9/1.
So the August roster has:
Wong, Casas, Devers, Duvall, Duran, Verdugo, Yoshida (starters)
McGuire, Turner, Arroyo (bench)
Kiké, Mondesi or Chang, Story or Refsnyder (various 2B / SS combos)
In earlier drafts I considered Arroyo being the odd man out, but I no longer can see a scenario where that makes sense.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on May 7, 2023 11:54:30 GMT -5
I've been thinking about the potential roster jam.
Easiest thing: when Duvall returns, he plays LF (where he's a great defender), Masa becomes the regular DH, and Tapia is traded. Turner plays every day against LHP (with any of the lefty bats getting a day off) and is often in the lineup against RHP because of day-to-day injuries, matchups, and the like. Tapia's been a solid bench piece, but the downgrade from him to the best OF on the Woo roster is not worth worrying about.
The tough decision is of course the middle infielders. Kiké, Arroyo, Mondesi, Chang, and eventually Story. If you keep Refsnyder on the bench, there's room for just 3 of the five.
Mondesi and Chang are redundant, and you want one of them on the roster to start at SS when you're expecting a lot of grounders to be hit. Ideally, he's good enough to be the semi-regular. Mondesi seems to be the better player of the two -- if he's healthy. It would be great to get Chang through waivers when the time comes.
Point 1: the speculation about a July or August return for Story was as a DH. And that may well not be a need. It might make more sense to bring him back on 9/1 playing 2B. He can be a SS next year.
Point 2: if you keep 4 middle infielders, that frees up Kiké to play more OF, and if he's hitting well enough, that makes Refsnyder easier to deal. And that's how you would make space for Story before 9/1.
So the August roster has:
Wong, Casas, Devers, Duvall, Duran, Verdugo, Yoshida (starters)
McGuire, Turner, Arroyo (bench)
Kiké, Mondesi or Chang, Story or Refsnyder (various 2B / SS combos)
In earlier drafts I considered Arroyo being the odd man out, but I no longer can see a scenario where that makes sense.
Weird thing is that with all the infielders brought in the mix to assure depth, there is a real need for another one right now.
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 8, 2023 21:48:28 GMT -5
According to MLB.com over the last 30 days the Red Sox offense ranks (in all of MLB) 17th in BA 15th in OBP 21st in SLG 18th in OPS
In the counting stats department
17th in Hits 5th in 2B's 13th in 3B's 28th(!!!) in HR's (only better then DET & COL) 22nd in RBI 24th in GDIP 20th in total bases 29th in AB/HR adding up our runs scored cover the past month or so we have scored around 4 runs a game. that 4 runs per game includes a 12 run game and an 11 run game.. We have also allowed an average of 4 runs a game over that same time...
Did anyone here going into the season expect our offense (or Devers) to be this putrid Offensively?
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 8, 2023 22:01:05 GMT -5
Devers also has only hit two homers over the past month
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Post by awalkinthepark on Jun 9, 2023 0:00:23 GMT -5
According to MLB.com over the last 30 days the Red Sox offense ranks (in all of MLB) 17th in BA 15th in OBP 21st in SLG 18th in OPS In the counting stats department 17th in Hits 5th in 2B's 13th in 3B's 28th(!!!) in HR's (only better then DET & COL) 22nd in RBI 24th in GDIP 20th in total bases 29th in AB/HR adding up our runs scored cover the past month or so we have scored around 4 runs a game. that 4 runs per game includes a 12 run game and an 11 run game.. We have also allowed an average of 4 runs a game over that same time... Did anyone here going into the season expect our offense (or Devers) to be this putrid Offensively?
They are better than they've shown over the last month, but I would be lying if I said I wasn't worried about the offense heading into the season. They have let Schwarber, Xander and JDM walk over the last few years and replaced them with Story, Masa and Justin Turner. I think on the whole those were good moves, bringing more balance to the roster and better defense. But even if Story was healthy and hitting the offense would take a hit, to say nothing of when he's injured. Kiké was always a big question mark considering his career numbers so I don't think his performance so far can be considered unexpected. Casas is a 23 year old rookie, so you should expect ups and downs from him. All of this is to say there was always a strong possibility of the offense taking a step back from what it's been the last few years.
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 9, 2023 9:10:32 GMT -5
According to MLB.com over the last 30 days the Red Sox offense ranks (in all of MLB) 17th in BA 15th in OBP 21st in SLG 18th in OPS In the counting stats department 17th in Hits 5th in 2B's 13th in 3B's 28th(!!!) in HR's (only better then DET & COL) 22nd in RBI 24th in GDIP 20th in total bases 29th in AB/HR adding up our runs scored cover the past month or so we have scored around 4 runs a game. that 4 runs per game includes a 12 run game and an 11 run game.. We have also allowed an average of 4 runs a game over that same time... Did anyone here going into the season expect our offense (or Devers) to be this putrid Offensively?
They are better than they've shown over the last month, but I would be lying if I said I wasn't worried about the offense heading into the season. They have let Schwarber, Xander and JDM walk over the last few years and replaced them with Story, Masa and Justin Turner. I think on the whole those were good moves, bringing more balance to the roster and better defense. But even if Story was healthy and hitting the offense would take a hit, to say nothing of when he's injured. Kiké was always a big question mark considering his career numbers so I don't think his performance so far can be considered unexpected. Casas is a 23 year old rookie, so you should expect ups and downs from him. All of this is to say there was always a strong possibility of the offense taking a step back from what it's been the last few years.
Agreed somewhat. Though i don’t think anyone thought Devers power would drop off yo the level it has this year
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Post by manfred on Jun 9, 2023 9:43:51 GMT -5
Devers lack of power is rough. But the overall lack of power is no surprise. Up the middle, we knew there would be little power. Wong has pop, but otherwise… And Yoshida and Verdugo are not power hitters. If I had to bet on how many 25+ HR guys they have before the season, I’d take one… Devers.
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 9, 2023 9:45:51 GMT -5
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 9, 2023 9:46:48 GMT -5
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Post by tjb21 on Jun 9, 2023 10:37:04 GMT -5
RSS posted interesting Devers trends on twitter today. I'd recommend checking that out, if you haven't already.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 10, 2023 9:49:55 GMT -5
"Red Sox insider" (?) Tom Caron pushed back on the non-sensical idea, floated by Cora, that Story might initially return as a DH.
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Post by blizzards39 on Jun 10, 2023 14:37:02 GMT -5
They are better than they've shown over the last month, but I would be lying if I said I wasn't worried about the offense heading into the season. They have let Schwarber, Xander and JDM walk over the last few years and replaced them with Story, Masa and Justin Turner. I think on the whole those were good moves, bringing more balance to the roster and better defense. But even if Story was healthy and hitting the offense would take a hit, to say nothing of when he's injured. Kiké was always a big question mark considering his career numbers so I don't think his performance so far can be considered unexpected. Casas is a 23 year old rookie, so you should expect ups and downs from him. All of this is to say there was always a strong possibility of the offense taking a step back from what it's been the last few years.
Agreed somewhat. Though i don’t think anyone thought Devers power would drop off yo the level it has this year Devers is on pace for 38 Hr and 130 rbi. Both career highs. His slugging is .490. Just off his .510 career pace. I wouldn’t say his power has dropped off.
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Post by grandsalami on Jun 10, 2023 19:35:23 GMT -5
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Post by ematz1423 on Jun 13, 2023 7:28:02 GMT -5
www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/37843821/red-sox-trevor-story-says-recovery-elbow-procedure-going-wellCouple take aways from this, glad to hear Story saying his elbow recovery is going well but as many have stated on here Story as a DH makes no sense. I don't fully know the rehab rules, best case scenario he can go DH at AAA sometime in July to work on his timing and then when his elbow is up to it play some SS down there to return for August. I'm not sure that would necessarily be allowable under the rehab assignment rules as I do know there is some sort of cap on the amount of days a rehab assignment can be but in my mind this would be kind of two assignments since he'll be healthy enough to swing but not field.
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Post by incandenza on Jun 15, 2023 19:44:43 GMT -5
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Post by tjb21 on Jul 7, 2023 13:11:16 GMT -5
Duran Devers Turner Yoshida Story Verdugo Arroyo Casas Wong
That’s a SEXY lineup.
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Post by jbuttah on Jul 7, 2023 14:35:53 GMT -5
... That’s a SEXY lineup .~ Fixed it for you.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 8, 2023 20:54:26 GMT -5
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Post by cmax on Aug 8, 2023 22:03:54 GMT -5
Duran Devers Turner Yoshida Story Verdugo Arroyo Casas Wong That’s a SEXY lineup. Duran Verdugo Turner Devers Yoshida Story Casas Urias Wong Bello Paxton (Bernardino)Pivetta Sale(Houck) Crawford Pen: Jansen, Martin, Schreiber, Whitlock, Murphy, Bernardino, Houck, Winck Bench: Refsnyder, Duvall, Reyes, McGuire Feels pretty legit. Need Turner healthy, and need Story, Sale, Houck and Whitlock all contributing in a meaningful way in the next week or two.
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Post by manfred on Aug 8, 2023 23:09:22 GMT -5
Duran Devers Turner Yoshida Story Verdugo Arroyo Casas Wong That’s a SEXY lineup. Duran Verdugo Turner Devers Yoshida Story Casas Urias Wong Bello Paxton (Bernardino)Pivetta Sale(Houck) Crawford Pen: Jansen, Martin, Schreiber, Whitlock, Murphy, Bernardino, Houck, Winck Bench: Refsnyder, Duvall, Reyes, McGuire Feels pretty legit. Need Turner healthy, and need Story, Sale, Houck and Whitlock all contributing in a meaningful way in the next week or two. What is the definition of insanity?
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Post by scottysmalls on Aug 9, 2023 9:14:44 GMT -5
Duran Verdugo Turner Devers Yoshida Story Casas Urias Wong Bello Paxton (Bernardino)Pivetta Sale(Houck) Crawford Pen: Jansen, Martin, Schreiber, Whitlock, Murphy, Bernardino, Houck, Winck Bench: Refsnyder, Duvall, Reyes, McGuire Feels pretty legit. Need Turner healthy, and need Story, Sale, Houck and Whitlock all contributing in a meaningful way in the next week or two. What is the definition of insanity? This is the 2023 lineup thread so I assume he's talking about this year's team - what would your rather they do with the lineup from today on?
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Post by manfred on Aug 9, 2023 9:21:50 GMT -5
What is the definition of insanity? This is the 2023 lineup thread so I assume he's talking about this year's team - what would your rather they do with the lineup from today on? Mea culpa. I thought it was a longer term projection. Fair enough.
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Post by grandsalami on Aug 12, 2023 17:20:55 GMT -5
The Red Sox offense got shut down by Matt Manning, who owned a 5.06 ERA, 5.37 xERA, and 5.31 FIP this year.
Since the Sox went to San Fran 15 games ago, their offense has been horrific.
24th BA 27th OBP 21st Isolated Pwr 26th wRC+
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