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4/21-4/23 Red Sox @ Brewers Series Thread
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Post by ramireja on Apr 21, 2023 9:12:30 GMT -5
4/21 Red Sox (RHP Nick Pivetta, 0-1, 4.50, 14.0 IP, 16K:8BB) @ Brewers (RHP Freddy Peralta, 2-1, 3.18, 17.0 IP, 19K:7BB) 8:10 pm ET, NESN+/WEEI 4/22 Red Sox (RHP Garrett Whitlock, 1-1, 4.50, 12.0 IP, 10K:2BB) @ Brewers (LHP Wade Miley, 2-1, 1.50, 18.0 IP, 14K:3BB) 7:10 pm ET, NESN/WEEI 4/23 Red Sox (RHP Brayan Bello, 0-1, 16.88, 2.2 IP, 5K:1BB) @ Brewers (RHP Corbin Burnes, 2-1, 4.76, 22.2 IP, 17K:7BB) 2:10 pm ET, NESN+/WEEI MLB StandingsRed Sox Hitting StatsRed Sox Pitching StatsMLB ScoreboardMLB TransactionsA note regarding moderating of the gameday threads in 2023: As the disclaimer has always said, in the past, we have been very liberal in moderating the Gameday threads. They're meant to be a lot less formal than other threads on the forum, so to moderate them the same way would be silly. However, we do ask posters to maintain a certain level of decorum in these threads, and we plan on moderating the Gameday threads a little more actively this season. In particular, we ask that posters refrain from being overly repetitive with their posts (if you've made your point, let it go), refrain from monopolizing the discussion (if you are making more than a couple posts in a row, you probably need to slow down a little bit), and of course, follow the Ground Rules ( link). The point is to make these threads worth participating in and fun for all posters, from our long-time fixtures to people just signing up today. -The Management
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Post by seamus on Apr 21, 2023 9:20:50 GMT -5
Bought tickets for Saturday's game - hoping to see another great outing from Whitlock. I think this series is there for the taking.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 21, 2023 10:23:13 GMT -5
Let's check in on the Red Sox' anemic, shockingly shallow offense!
runs: 111 (3rd in the majors)
wRC+: 105 (13th) wOBA: .330 (10th)
BsR: 2.4 (6th)
Interesting that the baserunning has been so good.
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Post by nomar on Apr 21, 2023 10:27:14 GMT -5
Let's check in on the Red Sox' anemic, shockingly shallow offense!
runs: 111 (3rd in the majors)
wRC+: 105 (13th) wOBA: .330 (10th)
BsR: 2.4 (6th) Interesting that the baserunning has been so good.
Verdugo is 9th in the majors in BsR and Duvall is second on the team and on a per game basis is even better than Verdugo’s
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Post by manfred on Apr 21, 2023 10:32:41 GMT -5
Let's check in on the Red Sox' anemic, shockingly shallow offense!
runs: 111 (3rd in the majors)
wRC+: 105 (13th) wOBA: .330 (10th)
BsR: 2.4 (6th)
Interesting that the baserunning has been so good.
It is strange. A quarter of their games they’ve score 2 or fewer runs. Then they have another quarter of the games at 9 or more runs. I don’t know what that means. Don’t even know if it is that unusual. But I guess the “bad offense” thing is partly a product of how frustrating bad days feel. They might get blown out of proportion? My view is not so much the offense is *bad* as it is very lopsided, which makes it vulnerable. Remove Verdugo or Devers, there is trouble. They could use some heat elsewhere (which may be happening).
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Post by incandenza on Apr 21, 2023 10:40:10 GMT -5
I see these pitching matchups and I think to myself "Wade Miley? Not that Wade Miley?" Can't believe he's still around. That dude has had a weird career.
2011-2017: 4.38 ERA/4.09 FIP/3.95 xFIP
2018-2023: 3.43 ERA/4.09 FIP/4.32 xFIP
One thing's for sure: as he's aged he's either gotten better or gotten worse or stayed exactly the same.
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 21, 2023 10:58:33 GMT -5
Let's check in on the Red Sox' anemic, shockingly shallow offense!
runs: 111 (3rd in the majors)
wRC+: 105 (13th) wOBA: .330 (10th)
BsR: 2.4 (6th)
Interesting that the baserunning has been so good.
It is strange. A quarter of their games they’ve score 2 or fewer runs. Then they have another quarter of the games at 9 or more runs. I don’t know what that means. Don’t even know if it is that unusual. But I guess the “bad offense” thing is partly a product of how frustrating bad days feel. They might get blown out of proportion? My view is not so much the offense is *bad* as it is very lopsided, which makes it vulnerable. Remove Verdugo or Devers, there is trouble. They could use some heat elsewhere (which may be happening). I'm not sure about lopsided in terms of the lineup, but that distribution by game isn't abnormal among the top run scoring teams. The Rangers who are 2nd in runs scored have scored 2 or fewer in 33% of their games, the Dodgers who are 4th have scored 2 or fewer in 30%, and the Pirates who are 5th have also scored 2 or fewer in 25%. The Rays who lead the league in everything by a mile are of course an outlier as they've only scored 2 or fewer in 10.5% of games. Add: I do think I get what you mean though, the stretch where they had the bottom 5 guys all under the Mendoza line did feel rough, even if they overall played okay.
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Post by cdj on Apr 21, 2023 11:00:59 GMT -5
I see these pitching matchups and I think to myself "Wade Miley? Not that Wade Miley?" Can't believe he's still around. Not only is he still around but he’s way better than he was here It’s been almost a decade too! Wild!
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 21, 2023 11:07:41 GMT -5
Let's check in on the Red Sox' anemic, shockingly shallow offense!
runs: 111 (3rd in the majors)
wRC+: 105 (13th) wOBA: .330 (10th)
BsR: 2.4 (6th)
Interesting that the baserunning has been so good.
It's also interesting that they're 6th in baserunning despite way fewer steals than the teams around them. 38% less than every other team in the top 14. I don't know what to make of that but I hope they get some more steals because I like watching them! Their fastest guys are Wong and Duran, and Yoshida seemed to have a pretty good knack for stealing, so hopefully we can see more of those guys on base.
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Post by incandenza on Apr 21, 2023 11:16:33 GMT -5
Let's check in on the Red Sox' anemic, shockingly shallow offense!
runs: 111 (3rd in the majors)
wRC+: 105 (13th) wOBA: .330 (10th)
BsR: 2.4 (6th)
Interesting that the baserunning has been so good.
It's also interesting that they're 6th in baserunning despite way fewer steals than the teams around them. 38% less than every other team in the top 14. I don't know what to make of that but I hope they get some more steals because I like watching them! Their fastest guys are Wong and Duran, and Yoshida seemed to have a pretty good knack for stealing, so hopefully we can see more of those guys on base. They're 25th in stolen bases with 8 but they're one of only two teams with 0 CS. That's probably better than, say, Seattle, who have 14 SB and 6 CS, or even the Cubs who have 22 and 7.
(What's up with the Marlins though? 17 SB, 2 CS, and dead last in baserunning overall.)
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Post by James Dunne on Apr 21, 2023 11:30:59 GMT -5
The Marlins are second worst in the league in taking extra bases (i.e. 1st to 3rd on a single, scoring on a double), and they've been thrown out on the bases a bit more than average. Particularly bad, they've had four people thrown out at second base already (not counting caught stealing) which is a base that getting thrown out at is almost always bad. There are times where aggressive outs at third and home are worth the risk, but if you get thrown out at second it is a TOOTBLAN. So yeah, bad combination of not being able to take extra bases and getting thrown out when they do try to.
The Red Sox baserunning rating is boosted in large part by the fact that they've had 28 singles with a man on second and that person has scored 19 of those times. (League average is about 57%)
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Post by yuchangclan on Apr 21, 2023 12:27:20 GMT -5
I see these pitching matchups and I think to myself "Wade Miley? Not that Wade Miley?" Can't believe he's still around. Not only is he still around but he’s way better than he was here It’s been almost a decade too! Wild! The Brewers got him for 1yr/$4.5m, too. That is looking like an absolute steal!
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Post by philsbosoxfan on Apr 21, 2023 13:50:17 GMT -5
Pivetta will be fighting for his life..
Sell high....
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Apr 21, 2023 13:52:49 GMT -5
Not only is he still around but he’s way better than he was here It’s been almost a decade too! Wild! The Brewers got him for 1yr/$4.5m, too. That is looking like an absolute steal! ….not cherry picking….but if I were Bloom I would have signed Wade Miley at $4.5 million than Paxton at $4 million. Also, with the probability that Miley would be healthy to pitch (whereas Paxton is not), Bloom probably would not have needed to sigh Kluber….
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Post by greatscottcooper on Apr 21, 2023 14:18:39 GMT -5
Prediction. Pivetta tosses a no-hitter. Everyone is watching the Celtics/Bruins
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Post by cdj on Apr 21, 2023 14:30:33 GMT -5
The Brewers got him for 1yr/$4.5m, too. That is looking like an absolute steal! ….not cherry picking….but I were Bloom I would have signed Wade Miley at $4.5 million than Paxton at $4 million. Also, with the probability that Miley would be healthy to pitch (whereas Paxton is not), Bloom probably would not have needed to sigh Kluber…. Definitely fair but it’s also fair to say Wade has battled durability issues himself the last few years too
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Post by bosoxnation on Apr 21, 2023 14:52:51 GMT -5
The Brewers got him for 1yr/$4.5m, too. That is looking like an absolute steal! ….not cherry picking….but I were Bloom I would have signed Wade Miley at $4.5 million than Paxton at $4 million. Also, with the probability that Miley would be healthy to pitch (whereas Paxton is not), Bloom probably would not have needed to sigh Kluber…. Also should have signed Bellinger. Easy to say now though.
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 21, 2023 15:03:49 GMT -5
….not cherry picking….but I were Bloom I would have signed Wade Miley at $4.5 million than Paxton at $4 million. Also, with the probability that Miley would be healthy to pitch (whereas Paxton is not), Bloom probably would not have needed to sigh Kluber…. Also should have signed Bellinger. Easy to say now though. They should have? He still hasn’t been as valuable as Duvall. And I was calling for them to sign Bellinger at the start of the offseason.
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Post by greatscottcooper on Apr 21, 2023 15:09:22 GMT -5
It would be pretty nice to have Bellinger playing like an MVP and Sale pitching like a Cy Young on the same team. 2019 all over again.
Edit, Sale stopped being good at the end of 2018. Loved what I saw the other night though. Has me dreaming that eh's back.
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Post by bosoxnation on Apr 21, 2023 15:23:12 GMT -5
Also should have signed Bellinger. Easy to say now though. They should have? He still hasn’t been as valuable as Duvall. And I was calling for them to sign Bellinger at the start of the offseason. Ummm Duvall has had 33 ABs and out for a long time. Do you like toys that work or are broken? I would of liked him over Yoshi not Duvall though.
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Post by ematz1423 on Apr 21, 2023 15:24:05 GMT -5
….not cherry picking….but I were Bloom I would have signed Wade Miley at $4.5 million than Paxton at $4 million. Also, with the probability that Miley would be healthy to pitch (whereas Paxton is not), Bloom probably would not have needed to sigh Kluber…. Also should have signed Bellinger. Easy to say now though. Meh, it's a good start to the season no doubt but it's 18 games. We'll see what his numbers look like in a few months and whether he's worth the 17.5 Mil he got. Not to mention the last thing they need right now is a 3rd LHH OFer. Perhaps if they hadn't signed Yoshida though. An OF of Duvall, Bellinger, Verdugo would probably have them with an extra win or two with how those three have all started compared to Yoshida. Theoretically maybe Duvall doesn't hurt his wrist if he's not playing CF that fateful day in Detroit but that's just fantasy talk.
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Post by scottysmalls on Apr 21, 2023 15:27:48 GMT -5
Random thought: Wong has a worse batting line than I thought, but I still think he has been good enough, and more than that somehow I feel more encouraged that he is going to be a good major leaguer. I think he starts hitting a little more and is at least a 2 WAR guy within the next year or two. I also love the speed and athleticism he brings.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 21, 2023 15:44:27 GMT -5
Prediction. Pivetta tosses a no-hitter. Everyone is watching the Celtics/Bruins Except for the Hurricane fans.
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Post by Guidas on Apr 21, 2023 15:55:20 GMT -5
Verdugo RF Devers 3B Turner DH Yoshida LF Hernández 2B Casas 1B McGuire C Duran CF Chang SS
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Post by Soxfansince1971 on Apr 21, 2023 16:22:06 GMT -5
….not cherry picking….but I were Bloom I would have signed Wade Miley at $4.5 million than Paxton at $4 million. Also, with the probability that Miley would be healthy to pitch (whereas Paxton is not), Bloom probably would not have needed to sigh Kluber…. Definitely fair but it’s also fair to say Wade has battled durability issues himself the last few years too I agree with you on most thing….that said, Paxton was definitely going to miss time (and possibly significant time as his last couple rehabs have shown) and Miley has been more productive over the last three years.
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