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Post by scottysmalls on Jul 9, 2023 10:38:28 GMT -5
If they do draft a college short stop, how do we think playing time gets divided? They have legit prospects across the infield from low A to AA. Obviously if they think a college short stop is the best guy take him and I’d be excited about it, just would be interested to see who loses playing time as a result, or if it makes a trade of one of those existing guys more likely.
Also possible the promotion chain is close enough that it’ll clear some room anyhow I suppose.
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Post by radiohix on Jul 9, 2023 10:50:44 GMT -5
Hoping for a college bat not named Bradfield.
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Post by briam on Jul 9, 2023 11:05:19 GMT -5
Anybody but Bradfield or Wilson.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 9, 2023 11:15:28 GMT -5
Best historical #14 picks by bWAR:
Jason Heyward - 39.6 Derrek Lee - 34.5 Tino Martinez - 29.0 Cliff Floyd - 25.9 Jason Varitek - 24.2 Tom Brunansky - 22.0 Scott McGregor - 20.2
Out of 58 picks (though with the last 8 or so TBD), 22 put up at least 1 WAR, 16 put up 5+ WAR, 14 put up 10+ WAR, 7 put up 20+ WAR, 2 put up 30+ WAR.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 9, 2023 11:26:51 GMT -5
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Post by jimoh on Jul 9, 2023 12:10:35 GMT -5
So I'm visiting my daughter on the West Coast and only realized a couple of weeks ago that my last night here would be the first night of the draft. Was prepared to ignore it, like a good dad, but then I was bailed out by ... Taylor Swift, who dropped a new/old album on Wednesday at 9 pm Western time. So she got to pay attention to that and I get to pay attention to the draft. A little. Five-hour plane ride tomorrow but I guess I can get internet on the plane.
I will be most entertained by a strong college bat (Shaw, Troy, Gonzalez), or a good high school bat/glove (Nimmala, Houck, Emerson, Taylor). "Entertained" means I can see right away that it's a good pick, as opposed to a pick with more subtle charms. If they pick a pitcher first it will be because they think the upside outweighs the considerable risk. Seems unlikely Hope to see pitchers in the 4th-5th rounds and with the extra picks.
I so appreciate all the info and analysis we get for free on Soxprospects. Good time to think about donating or patreon.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jul 9, 2023 12:12:47 GMT -5
My educated guess is an undershot HS shortstop with an advanced hit tool or Blake Mitchell.
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Post by redsoxfansince94 on Jul 9, 2023 12:14:38 GMT -5
I still lean Troy for my personal favorite but I’ll be happy with a number of players and trust them to make the right picks. There’s a method to the madness with the MLB Draft and you have to see who they could get later from going under slot at #14 — if that’s the move.
However, I don’t really want Bradfield Jr.
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Post by incandenza on Jul 9, 2023 12:31:03 GMT -5
Looking at the #50 pick, here are my preferred candidates from MLB's top 100 list, along with my rationale:
Nazzan Zanatello - best name in the draft Maui Ahuna - second best name in the draft Gino Groover - third best name Homer Bush Jr. - nominative determinism Grayson Hitt - nominative anti-determinism (he's a pitcher)
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Post by cba82 on Jul 9, 2023 12:39:43 GMT -5
Why are people on this board are so down on Bradfield?
Not that I’m a supporter, I don’t know the player, just curious as to the rationale.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jul 9, 2023 12:41:54 GMT -5
One interesting point about Shaw is where he would play in the minors. I know you don't draft based on position, but the Sox are pretty loaded at SS between Greenville (Romero), Salem (Bonaci) and Portland (Mayer). Someone will need to get moved off the position or rotate.
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Post by christianarroyossock on Jul 9, 2023 12:47:41 GMT -5
Why are people on this board are so down on Bradfield? Not that I’m a supporter, I don’t know the player, just curious as to the rationale. Gilberto PTSD
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jul 9, 2023 12:48:57 GMT -5
Why are people on this board are so down on Bradfield? Not that I’m a supporter, I don’t know the player, just curious as to the rationale. Bradfield has two elite tools (Speed + Defense) and a bunch of fringy to below average hit tools. Unfortunately, Bradfield's development profile is sketchy unless he develops an above average hit tool, which is harder to expect from a college player. We've seen already seen red flags with the Rafaela profile and I can't imagine drafting another version of him in Bradfield, except with with less contact and power
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Post by cdj on Jul 9, 2023 12:49:35 GMT -5
Why are people on this board are so down on Bradfield? Not that I’m a supporter, I don’t know the player, just curious as to the rationale. Doesn’t impact the ball enough imo
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jul 9, 2023 12:56:20 GMT -5
One interesting point about Shaw is where he would play in the minors. I know you don't draft based on position, but the Sox are pretty loaded at SS between Greenville (Romero), Salem (Bonaci) and Portland (Mayer). Someone will need to get moved off the position or rotate. I'd have no problem playing him at 3B, SS, 2B and LF and letting him work his whole way up doing that.
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 9, 2023 12:56:44 GMT -5
Why are people on this board are so down on Bradfield? Not that I’m a supporter, I don’t know the player, just curious as to the rationale. Because there are red flags in his hitting profile. I know he has elite defense and elite speed but at the end of the day you have to hit for that to really play.
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Post by briam on Jul 9, 2023 12:57:51 GMT -5
One interesting point about Shaw is where he would play in the minors. I know you don't draft based on position, but the Sox are pretty loaded at SS between Greenville (Romero), Salem (Bonaci) and Portland (Mayer). Someone will need to get moved off the position or rotate. Everything I’ve read about him seems to indicate he has to move off SS due to his arm. Maybe 2nd or left?
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Post by pedroelgrande on Jul 9, 2023 12:59:21 GMT -5
One interesting point about Shaw is where he would play in the minors. I know you don't draft based on position, but the Sox are pretty loaded at SS between Greenville (Romero), Salem (Bonaci) and Portland (Mayer). Someone will need to get moved off the position or rotate. I don’t think Shaw profiles as a SS I think he immediately goes to 2B, 3B or even the OF.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jul 9, 2023 13:03:39 GMT -5
One interesting point about Shaw is where he would play in the minors. I know you don't draft based on position, but the Sox are pretty loaded at SS between Greenville (Romero), Salem (Bonaci) and Portland (Mayer). Someone will need to get moved off the position or rotate. I'd have no problem playing him at 3B, SS, 2B and LF and letting him work his whole way up doing that. I'd be fascinated to see what impact changing positions regularly can have on player development. When it works I know it adds value to a profile, but I'd also imagine that having to learn 3 different positions at a time can potentially take from your hitting development because you are having to focus on learning new positions while adapting to better pitching and major league baseball.
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Post by RedSoxStats on Jul 9, 2023 13:04:32 GMT -5
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Post by e on Jul 9, 2023 13:12:40 GMT -5
My ideal day 1 for the Red Sox:
14th pick: Chase Davis at an under slot deal. I love the bat, along with the fact his swing is a carbon copy of Carlos Gonzalez. From what I've read, his quality of contact and swing decision were up there with the best college hitters in this class. I also wouldn't mind Nolan Schanuel at this pick.
50th pick: George Wolkow. I'm under the assumption that he would need an over slot deal to pry him away from college, but would be worth it. 6'7" with a ton of power and a surprisingly mechanically sound swing swing for someone of his stature. Profile reminds me of Roman Anthony and James Wood the past two years. Massive ceiling, but bat-to-ball and approach question marks.
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Post by oldfaithful2019 on Jul 9, 2023 13:12:56 GMT -5
My hope: Colin Houk falls to #14 and is the Sox pick. Power right handed bat with a right side infield arm. Considering the infield depth in the Sox pipeline could become a corner outfielder.
Next best: Lowder or Dollander. A potentially fast rising starting pitcher sounds real good to me.
If not: Troy or shaw. I prefer Troy for the RH bat and reports seem to suggest he is an outfield candidate more than Shaw might be.
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Post by wOBA Fett on Jul 9, 2023 13:14:04 GMT -5
One interesting point about Shaw is where he would play in the minors. I know you don't draft based on position, but the Sox are pretty loaded at SS between Greenville (Romero), Salem (Bonaci) and Portland (Mayer). Someone will need to get moved off the position or rotate. I don’t think Shaw profiles as a SS I think he immediately goes to 2B, 3B or even the OF. According to his MLB pipeline profile he has a 45 arm and a 50 field, so I'm not sure he could stick at 3rd. Otherwise, he'll move to 2nd or corner OF corner which is going to place a ton of pressure on his bat. His college numbers were great, but he will need to maintain similar production in order to become a major league regular at 2nd or OF.
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Post by chr31ter on Jul 9, 2023 13:31:33 GMT -5
Rhett Lowder would be interesting...
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Post by brewsterttizzy on Jul 9, 2023 13:51:35 GMT -5
With devin Pearson now taking over and this being his first draft, I’m guessing he’s gonna try to just continue relatively the same model and draft strategy that’s brought us success over the last few years. In basically every mock, it seems to indicate that the industry thinks this as well as we’ve just been connected mainly to up the middle hitters and could be eyeing another good sized underslot deal or at the very least somewhat of a money saver at 14. I’m thinking we once again go the underslot prep middle INF route, with someone like Adrian Santana, Colt Emerson, or McGonigle fitting that mold of a good hit tool, defensively sound middle inf that we’ve targeted a lot both in the draft and internationally. This draft is very deep, particularly in the prep bat side, so it would make a ton of sense to save money at 14 and then at 50 or 83 pounce on a hard sign, like Roch Cholowsky, Cooper Pratt, Grant Gray, etc similar to what we did with like Roman Anthony and blaze Jordan. At 50 if they want to save money again we could see a college bat maybe like Mitch Jebb, Luke Keaschall (especially with all those rumors), mike boeve, etc.
Personally though I’m really hoping for one of the college bats at 14, like Shaw, tommy Troy, Brayden Taylor, or Brock Wilken. Majorly biased tho with those players as I love them from watching them all tear it up on the cape. Can’t wait though for tonight, should be super fun.
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