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2023 Draft Signing Period
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Post by templeusox on Jul 12, 2023 0:41:49 GMT -5
I don't think it will have much of an impact on Call's decision, but his future at UCLA is in the outfield with Roch Cholowsky not getting drafted.
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Post by pasadenasox on Jul 12, 2023 2:44:56 GMT -5
I don't think it will have much of an impact on Call's decision, but his future at UCLA is in the outfield with Roch Cholowsky not getting drafted. Temple! Glad you’re still out there takin’ ‘er easy for all us sinners! Old SoxProspects respect.
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 12, 2023 7:29:10 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 12, 2023 7:30:29 GMT -5
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Post by cba82 on Jul 12, 2023 7:42:13 GMT -5
“I haven’t received the money I wanted.” — Me neither.
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Post by ixnayexxus on Jul 12, 2023 8:34:37 GMT -5
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jul 12, 2023 8:36:56 GMT -5
Sox offered above slot to Call before drafting him and as of tonight, he is weighing the offer to sign. His commitment to UCLA is not as strong as once believed. My initial thought when seeing him drafted that he was targeted specifically over say someone like Witt or Cam Johnson, because they thought he was signable, and given he's a southern CA HS SS, and ow much they scout that area, they had good enough rapport and specific enough details to know this. Reminds me a little bit of Brooks Bannon in the sense where I think we maybe thought his number was going to be higher than what he signed for -still was well over slot, but he got about $300K less than what Hickey got as a college C the year before. Just looking at Pipelines 250, 40 of the 43 undrafted players (from their 250) are HSers. With the shortened draft, teams aren't taking some of the swings that we've seen in the past on these guys, and I think they did a lot of their work on day 1 when it came to their over slot plans. I looked at every draft class last night, and we look at the Red Sox draft as college heavy, but that was everyone. I think I counted 3 teams that took more HSers than the Red Sox, and very few of them went on Day 3, overall. My overall thoughts on the class are excited. Teel is something the system lacked, and in a way it takes some pressure off of Hickey to the stay behind the plate, where maybe he burgeoning bat ticks up a bit. The low minors C depth is exciting right now. Zanetello and Anderson are different HS bats than I think we've seen recently, where I think their tools are a little "louder" and the ceilings are extremely high on both. The B2B picks of Reimer and Campbell might be my two favorites, however. I just really like the contact traits with each of them, and can't help but think about Roman Anthony when it comes to Campbell. He's approach is strong, he has a power-oriented frame, and shows really good exit velocities, but hits too many ground balls. I mean that was what we heard when Anthony was in Salem, and "if he could elevate"... well he elevated, and I think they saw a similar path with Campbell. I also expect Campbell to play some OF, where I think their is a dearth of college bats in the system, def at the low minors. Reimer, likewise has some elite bat to ball skills, and his S2 cognition test was elite level, and he switch hits, which is something I have an affinity for. Nelly Taylor is a really intriguing athlete. I'm not saying they are the same player, but I think the profile between him and Enrique Bradfield is comparable. We kept hearing about how the new rules put an "emphasis on speed", so to get that speed and CF defense in the 11th round, no matter how the bat plays (which shows intriguing traits itself), is darn good value, and then sort of like they've been doing with all their picks, they buttressed that pick with Stanley Tucker and even to an extend Caden Rose earlier as an under slot sign. As for the Pitchers, a very similar draft to what we've seen recently. Early and Duffy show enough traits as college pitchers, where I think they can move quickly, which is something they prob needed to augment the younger international guys in the low minors. O'Donnel and Wehunt remind me of Rogers and Dean last yr, where those two have very similar profiles to each other (not the '23 guys to the '22 guys), so why not take a chance on 2, instead of one? Weims is almost the same as Bolden and Brand last year. Hard not to see the parallels with Feeney and Coffey, same conference afterall (I mentioned in a draft thread Feeney outdueled Coffey in the Summit League playoffs in '21). Ammons is a bit like Hunter Dobbins or Hayden Mullins in that the college track record isn't great or minimal due to some health issues, but there are enough traits to be intrigued by, and took a similar left handed profile later in Ingrassia. Max Carlson has some helium as a college SP in the 12th, sort of like Marques Johnson or Tyler Uberstein. Stebens delivery and pitch data sort of looks a lot like Wyatt Olds, without the command issues and I think he could be in AA by the draft next year. The only real difference is I don't see the high velocity RP like they've taken with Webb, Troye, Guerrero, Hoppe, and even Litwicki, but I am really intrigued by all of these pitchers
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Post by jimgosger on Jul 12, 2023 9:30:47 GMT -5
I'm really hoping they can sign Orloski. I'd love to see what the pitching development people can do with a high school guy from a cold weather state like Idaho.
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Post by iakovos11 on Jul 12, 2023 9:48:34 GMT -5
Sox offered above slot to Call before drafting him and as of tonight, he is weighing the offer to sign. His commitment to UCLA is not as strong as once believed. My initial thought when seeing him drafted that he was targeted specifically over say someone like Witt or Cam Johnson, because they thought he was signable, and given he's a southern CA HS SS, and ow much they scout that area, they had good enough rapport and specific enough details to know this. Reminds me a little bit of Brooks Bannon in the sense where I think we maybe thought his number was going to be higher than what he signed for -still was well over slot, but he got about $300K less than what Hickey got as a college C the year before. Just looking at Pipelines 250, 40 of the 43 undrafted players (from their 250) are HSers. With the shortened draft, teams aren't taking some of the swings that we've seen in the past on these guys, and I think they did a lot of their work on day 1 when it came to their over slot plans. I looked at every draft class last night, and we look at the Red Sox draft as college heavy, but that was everyone. I think I counted 3 teams that took more HSers than the Red Sox, and very few of them went on Day 3, overall. My overall thoughts on the class are excited. Teel is something the system lacked, and in a way it takes less pressure of Hickey to the stay behind the plate, where maybe he burgeoning bat ticks up a bit. The low minors C depth is exciting right now. Zanetello and Anderson are different HS bats than I think we've seen recently, where I think their tools are a little "louder" and the ceilings are extremely high on both. The B2B picks of Reimer and Robinson might be my two favorites, however. I just really like the contact traits with each of them, and can't help but think about Roman Anthony when it comes to Robinson. He's approach is strong, he has a power-oriented frame, and shows really good exit velocities, but hits too many ground balls. I mean that was what we heard when Anthony was in Salem, and "if he could elevate"... well he elevated, and I think they saw a similar path with Robinson. I also expect Robinson to play some OF, where I think their is a dearth of college bats in the system, def at the low minors. Reimer, likewise has some elite bat to ball skills, and his S2 cognition test was elite level, and he switch hits, which is something I have an affinity for. Nelly Taylor is a really intriguing athlete. I'm not saying they are the same player, but I think the profile between him and Enrique Bradfield is comparable. We kept hearing about how the new rules put an "emphasis on speed", so to get that speed and CF defense in the 11th round, no matter how the bat plays (which shows intriguing traits itself), is darn good value, and then sort of like they've been doing with all their picks, they buttressed that pick with Stanley Tucker and even to an extend Caden Rose earlier as an under slot sign. As for the Pitchers, a very similar draft to what we've seen recently. Early and Duffy show enough traits as college pitchers, where I think they can move quickly, which is something they prob needed to augment the younger international guys in the low minors. O'Donnel and Wehunt remind me of Rogers and Dean last yr, where those two have very similar profiles to each other (not the '23 guys to the '22 guys), so why not take a chance on 2, instead of one? Weims is almost the same as Bolden and Brand last year. Hard not to see the parallels with Feeney and Coffey, same conference afterall (I mentioned in a draft thread Feeney outdueled Coffey in the Summit League playoffs in '21). Ammons is a bit like Hunter Dobbins or Hayden Mullins in that the college track record isn't great or minimal due to some health issues, but there are enough traits to be intrigued by, and took a similar left handed profile later in Ingrassia. Max Carlson has some helium as a college SP in the 12th, sort of like Marques Johnson or Tyler Uberstein. Stebens delivery and pitch data sort of look a lot like Wyatt Olds, without the command issues and I think he could be in AA by the draft next year. The only real difference is I don't see the high velocity RP like they've taken with Webb, Troye, Guerrero, Hoppe, and even Litwicki, but I am really intrigued by all of these pitchers Who is Robinson?
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Post by jaffinator on Jul 12, 2023 9:49:54 GMT -5
I didn't want the Sox to pick him or anything, but I think there's a bit of an underrating of Bradfield Jr. on this board. His EVs when he does make solid contact suggest that there's at least the potential for some future power and the defense in CF is legitimately superlative. He gets to everything out there - I'd call the grade on field a 70, but you could make a non-laughable argument that it's an 80. I do not remember the last time there was a college CF prospect who was as good a fielder as he is.
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Post by kman22 on Jul 12, 2023 9:50:56 GMT -5
My initial thought when seeing him drafted that he was targeted specifically over say someone like Witt or Cam Johnson, because they thought he was signable, and given he's a southern CA HS SS, and ow much they scout that area, they had good enough rapport and specific enough details to know this. Reminds me a little bit of Brooks Bannon in the sense where I think we maybe thought his number was going to be higher than what he signed for -still was well over slot, but he got about $300K less than what Hickey got as a college C the year before. Just looking at Pipelines 250, 40 of the 43 undrafted players (from their 250) are HSers. With the shortened draft, teams aren't taking some of the swings that we've seen in the past on these guys, and I think they did a lot of their work on day 1 when it came to their over slot plans. I looked at every draft class last night, and we look at the Red Sox draft as college heavy, but that was everyone. I think I counted 3 teams that took more HSers than the Red Sox, and very few of them went on Day 3, overall. My overall thoughts on the class are excited. Teel is something the system lacked, and in a way it takes less pressure of Hickey to the stay behind the plate, where maybe he burgeoning bat ticks up a bit. The low minors C depth is exciting right now. Zanetello and Anderson are different HS bats than I think we've seen recently, where I think their tools are a little "louder" and the ceilings are extremely high on both. The B2B picks of Reimer and Robinson might be my two favorites, however. I just really like the contact traits with each of them, and can't help but think about Roman Anthony when it comes to Robinson. He's approach is strong, he has a power-oriented frame, and shows really good exit velocities, but hits too many ground balls. I mean that was what we heard when Anthony was in Salem, and "if he could elevate"... well he elevated, and I think they saw a similar path with Robinson. I also expect Robinson to play some OF, where I think their is a dearth of college bats in the system, def at the low minors. Reimer, likewise has some elite bat to ball skills, and his S2 cognition test was elite level, and he switch hits, which is something I have an affinity for. Nelly Taylor is a really intriguing athlete. I'm not saying they are the same player, but I think the profile between him and Enrique Bradfield is comparable. We kept hearing about how the new rules put an "emphasis on speed", so to get that speed and CF defense in the 11th round, no matter how the bat plays (which shows intriguing traits itself), is darn good value, and then sort of like they've been doing with all their picks, they buttressed that pick with Stanley Tucker and even to an extend Caden Rose earlier as an under slot sign. As for the Pitchers, a very similar draft to what we've seen recently. Early and Duffy show enough traits as college pitchers, where I think they can move quickly, which is something they prob needed to augment the younger international guys in the low minors. O'Donnel and Wehunt remind me of Rogers and Dean last yr, where those two have very similar profiles to each other (not the '23 guys to the '22 guys), so why not take a chance on 2, instead of one? Weims is almost the same as Bolden and Brand last year. Hard not to see the parallels with Feeney and Coffey, same conference afterall (I mentioned in a draft thread Feeney outdueled Coffey in the Summit League playoffs in '21). Ammons is a bit like Hunter Dobbins or Hayden Mullins in that the college track record isn't great or minimal due to some health issues, but there are enough traits to be intrigued by, and took a similar left handed profile later in Ingrassia. Max Carlson has some helium as a college SP in the 12th, sort of like Marques Johnson or Tyler Uberstein. Stebens delivery and pitch data sort of look a lot like Wyatt Olds, without the command issues and I think he could be in AA by the draft next year. The only real difference is I don't see the high velocity RP like they've taken with Webb, Troye, Guerrero, Hoppe, and even Litwicki, but I am really intrigued by all of these pitchers Who is Robinson? Campbell?
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jul 12, 2023 9:55:26 GMT -5
Yes , was totally thinking of Kristian Robinson the Dbacks prospect from the Bahamas that is in career purgatory.
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Post by freddysthefuture2003 on Jul 12, 2023 10:02:56 GMT -5
Yes , was totally thinking of Kristian Robinson the Dbacks prospect from the Bahamas that is in career purgatory. He's back in A ball
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Post by Chris Hatfield on Jul 12, 2023 10:25:22 GMT -5
When I asked Pearson about it, he mentioned that needed to circle up on that, which seems to indicate they didn't have any priority guys they were immediately going to pursue.
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Post by julyanmorley on Jul 12, 2023 10:27:00 GMT -5
A-Ball infielders for next year: Alcantara, Zanetello, Anderson, Campbell, Riemer, Coffey, Romero, Ravelo, maybe possibly Cespedes, Freili and Call.
Lot of competition. Wouldn't want to be one of the guys not listed.
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Post by natesp4 on Jul 12, 2023 11:32:38 GMT -5
One of the funny parts of the draft every year for me is how I'll be generally disinterested in a pick like Kristian Campbell who's ranked ~200 and then ready to cry if they don't sign Phoenix Call who's ranked ~200. The attachment I develop to late round high school prospects unlikely to sign is comical
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badfishnbc
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Post by badfishnbc on Jul 12, 2023 11:42:15 GMT -5
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Post by vermontsox1 on Jul 12, 2023 12:20:53 GMT -5
Red Sox officially signed Blake Wehunt and Caden Rose.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 12, 2023 12:26:05 GMT -5
You know last year draft signing I was surprised the guys they got done. I believe there a plan . He likes his kids. So there going to go after as many as possible. I think they dodged one with Fabian
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 12, 2023 12:28:27 GMT -5
You know last year draft signing I was surprised the guys they got done. I believe there a plan . He likes his kids. So there going to go after as many as possible. I think they dodged one with Fabian Speaking of the devil he just got promoted to AA.
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Post by GyIantosca on Jul 12, 2023 12:28:56 GMT -5
Red Sox officially signed Blake Wehunt and Caden Rose. You got to love it
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Post by Guidas on Jul 12, 2023 12:36:00 GMT -5
Keith Law has his (very long) draft summary article up. He loves Teel and Zanetello and the praise for both has been posted in the draft threads, but not high at all on Anderson who he thinks was not a third-rounder and mixed on some of the others. Riemer sounds like the sleeper of the group (in Law's estimation) if his bat-to-ball skills hold in the upper levels, though sounds like more of a singles-doubles guy (which is fine). Some excerpts: Anderson is a switch-hitter with a loose left-handed swing where he loads way too deeply, and he’s a 45 runner who probably moves to second or third. He’s not very advanced as a hitter, and had real trouble with offspeed stuff last summer. I thought he might end up at Georgia Tech because he didn’t seem to be a top-three rounds talent...
Duffy is a feel-to-pitch guy, with an 88-92 mph fastball that has some ride, a hard downer curveball in the mid-70s, and a fringe-average changeup. He pronates his arm really late, which I don’t love. He does command the fastball and I could see him being very interesting if the Red Sox can boost his velocity...
Campbell (4A) is a redshirt freshman from Georgia Tech who played just one year but was draft-eligible because he’s 21. He was very tough to strike out, whiffing just under 8 percent of the time this year, but hits the ball on the ground way too often and has a short swing that isn’t conducive to harder contact. He’s 6-3, 210 pounds, so he shouldn’t be this kind of hitter, and he’s obviously inexperienced for his age, making him an interesting upside play from the college ranks. He’s not a shortstop, lacking the arm, and his transfer on throws is so slow he might need to take his plus speed to center...
Wright State infielder Justin Riemer (4A) missed almost the whole year after injuring his knee, but when healthy he’s an extremely good contact hitter who doesn’t miss fastballs at all, even better ones the rare times he’s seen them, and showed a little pop this spring before the injury.
Early is like Duffy, a fringy fastball guy who has life on the pitch and great feel, also showing two good secondaries in a 55 slider and average changeup. He’s a finesse guy but misses bats with what he has because he’s tough to pick up, and this year he cut his walk rate by nearly half. I like him in this spot.
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Post by cdj on Jul 12, 2023 12:46:19 GMT -5
Weird that he calls Duffy’s change fringe average when everybody else thinks it’s his best pitch
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Post by ixnayexxus on Jul 12, 2023 12:51:14 GMT -5
Weird that he calls Duffy’s change fringe average when everybody else thinks it’s his best pitch I can only hope that both aren't true
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Post by 1toolplayer on Jul 12, 2023 12:59:07 GMT -5
Campbell homering off Early from this past season
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